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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    oftenreading said:
    Just looked it up - the “staying at home” people were not “quarantined” at home. These are the people who were not going out to work, but were otherwise doing what was allowed under the lockdown rules - ie getting groceries, getting takeout, etc. And who knows how careful they really were with their social isolating?
    I mixed up stay at home and quarantined.

    It is still crazy that this many people are still getting it.  I wonder how well they were practicing their distancing too?

    Still doesn't make me feel any better about what is happening here in NY.  We seem to be a pitri dish.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    Just looked it up - the “staying at home” people were not “quarantined” at home. These are the people who were not going out to work, but were otherwise doing what was allowed under the lockdown rules - ie getting groceries, getting takeout, etc. And who knows how careful they really were with their social isolating?
    I mixed up stay at home and quarantined.

    It is still crazy that this many people are still getting it.  I wonder how well they were practicing their distancing too?

    Still doesn't make me feel any better about what is happening here in NY.  We seem to be a pitri dish.

    Definitely there isn't a lot of good news about what's been happening in NY, and I wish you and everyone else on this forum who is from NY the very best of luck and positive vibes. 

    Numbers are still way too high, but when you think about that 66% figure, bear in mind that it's mostly an artifact of the population at risk. From what I read, 66% were people not considered essential workers, and 18% were people from long term care facilities. There were always going to be far more "non-essential" people getting sick compared to "essential", simply because the majority of people are not considered essential workers. If the population was divided 50/50 and there was a higher percentage of the non-essential/stay at home people getting sick then it really would be a head-scratcher, but that's not the case. It's a numbers game in a densely populated area. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    Just looked it up - the “staying at home” people were not “quarantined” at home. These are the people who were not going out to work, but were otherwise doing what was allowed under the lockdown rules - ie getting groceries, getting takeout, etc. And who knows how careful they really were with their social isolating?
    I mixed up stay at home and quarantined.

    It is still crazy that this many people are still getting it.  I wonder how well they were practicing their distancing too?

    Still doesn't make me feel any better about what is happening here in NY.  We seem to be a pitri dish.
    Hey don't forget about New Jersey!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Sub-heading: "Coronavirus is making us all into amateur epidemiologists"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/coronavirus-risk-analysis-fear/2020/05/07/88225144-8f49-11ea-a0bc-4e9ad4866d21_story.html
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited May 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    Just looked it up - the “staying at home” people were not “quarantined” at home. These are the people who were not going out to work, but were otherwise doing what was allowed under the lockdown rules - ie getting groceries, getting takeout, etc. And who knows how careful they really were with their social isolating?
    I mixed up stay at home and quarantined.

    It is still crazy that this many people are still getting it.  I wonder how well they were practicing their distancing too?

    Still doesn't make me feel any better about what is happening here in NY.  We seem to be a pitri dish.
    Hey don't forget about New Jersey!
    But forgetting New Jersey is what New Yorkers do. 
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,526
    If you're looking for some optimism today:



  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,526
    There really seem to be a lot of signs pointing to outdoor stuff with precautions being relatively safe
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    pjl44 said:
    There really seem to be a lot of signs pointing to outdoor stuff with precautions being relatively safe
    Wind alone would dissipate the virus.  However there have been plenty of cases in South America.  By contrast SE Asia and Australia seem ok.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    It is crazy to think that VE Day is 75 years ago today which is also the last time this country sacrificed for the common good. It is sad to think that we can't even put our political differences aside in order to come together against a virus that has killed over 70,000 Americans.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is crazy to think that VE Day is 75 years ago today which is also the last time this country sacrificed for the common good. It is sad to think that we can't even put our political differences aside in order to come together against a virus that has killed over 70,000 Americans.
    +1.  Par for the course though. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,526
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    There really seem to be a lot of signs pointing to outdoor stuff with precautions being relatively safe
    Wind alone would dissipate the virus.  However there have been plenty of cases in South America.  By contrast SE Asia and Australia seem ok.  
    Depends on other variables, I guess. You could still have a lot of indoor spread, for example. And despite being outdoors, I don't think we'll be piling into ballparks or music festivals.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is crazy to think that VE Day is 75 years ago today which is also the last time this country sacrificed for the common good. It is sad to think that we can't even put our political differences aside in order to come together against a virus that has killed over 70,000 Americans.
    Good call.. VE Day.  Totally missed it.  Thanks for reminding me.  
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is crazy to think that VE Day is 75 years ago today which is also the last time this country sacrificed for the common good. It is sad to think that we can't even put our political differences aside in order to come together against a virus that has killed over 70,000 Americans.
    It is very sad.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is crazy to think that VE Day is 75 years ago today which is also the last time this country sacrificed for the common good. It is sad to think that we can't even put our political differences aside in order to come together against a virus that has killed over 70,000 Americans.

    Well said, McG, very well said!
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is crazy to think that VE Day is 75 years ago today which is also the last time this country sacrificed for the common good. It is sad to think that we can't even put our political differences aside in order to come together against a virus that has killed over 70,000 Americans.
    9/11 we came together.  not sure how much we had to sacrifice.  as bad as Bush may have been at least he was a leader during the crisis. right now we have no national leadership.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470



    Sweden has high death rates in corona compared to other Nordic countries. But in a year, Norway, Denmark and Finland will catch up. It claims former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke.

    Infection protection expert and WHO advisor Johan Giesecke thinks we should wait for a year to compare the death toll between different countries, he says in an interview with Dagens Nyheter.
    He tells the magazine that he was recently in contact with state epidemiologist Mika Salminen in Finland, who has so far managed to keep the covid-19 death toll at a very low level. But it also means that few Finns have had the infection.

    - They have a large proportion of the population that will be susceptible to the disease in the fall. And he is really worried about what happens then, when you start to ease the limitations. That is when people will die. They will catch up with us, this also applies to Denmark and Norway, says Giesecke.

    He is a big defender of the Swedish strategy and tells DN that we have the best conditions of all countries. He compares to the island nation of New Zealand, which aims to eliminate the virus. Giesecke wonders what the authorities should do when the virus is no longer in the country.

    - This means that everyone traveling to New Zealand must quarantine for 14 days. If there is no good vaccine, we talk about decades before it can be changed, he notes.

    According to Johan Giesecke, all people will get the disease covid-19, sooner or later.

    - It can't be slowed down and will kill about as many people per capita and country, he tells DN.

    Giesecke is convinced that the countries that shut down their communities altogether will instead receive a large number of deaths in the fall, winter and next year. He describes the virus as "a natural disaster".
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    pjhawks said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is crazy to think that VE Day is 75 years ago today which is also the last time this country sacrificed for the common good. It is sad to think that we can't even put our political differences aside in order to come together against a virus that has killed over 70,000 Americans.
    9/11 we came together.  not sure how much we had to sacrifice.  as bad as Bush may have been at least he was a leader during the crisis. right now we have no national leadership.
    We stood together until the invasion of Iraq.  Agree that we have zero national leadership.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    This is a post about business's alone and in no way am I taking this virus lightly. 

    I live in a province that is considered the safest place in North America to live with regards to the virus. Today was a big day for my wife and the province as a whole. We are entering phase 2 of opening things back up. Her physiotherapy business is allowed to reopen after being closed down since Mar 12th. Tens of thousands of dollars gone forever. She has spent the last 10 years building a profitable business and something like this comes in and takes it all away in a blink of an eye. Also the measures that are being put in place for her to open are strict enough that only the ones in dire need of treatment are likely to make the effort. 

    That said we are fortunate to be opening back up and I really do feel for the small business's out there that have no end in sight for them being closed. If and when there is another wave in the fall I doubt her business survives will survive. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJNB said:
    This is a post about business's alone and in no way am I taking this virus lightly. 

    I live in a province that is considered the safest place in North America to live with regards to the virus. Today was a big day for my wife and the province as a whole. We are entering phase 2 of opening things back up. Her physiotherapy business is allowed to reopen after being closed down since Mar 12th. Tens of thousands of dollars gone forever. She has spent the last 10 years building a profitable business and something like this comes in and takes it all away in a blink of an eye. Also the measures that are being put in place for her to open are strict enough that only the ones in dire need of treatment are likely to make the effort. 

    That said we are fortunate to be opening back up and I really do feel for the small business's out there that have no end in sight for them being closed. If and when there is another wave in the fall I doubt her business survives will survive. 
    Did the Canadian parliament/gov't do anything to help businesses?  IN the US we have the PPP and now the Fed funds program.  
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited May 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    PJNB said:
    This is a post about business's alone and in no way am I taking this virus lightly. 

    I live in a province that is considered the safest place in North America to live with regards to the virus. Today was a big day for my wife and the province as a whole. We are entering phase 2 of opening things back up. Her physiotherapy business is allowed to reopen after being closed down since Mar 12th. Tens of thousands of dollars gone forever. She has spent the last 10 years building a profitable business and something like this comes in and takes it all away in a blink of an eye. Also the measures that are being put in place for her to open are strict enough that only the ones in dire need of treatment are likely to make the effort. 

    That said we are fortunate to be opening back up and I really do feel for the small business's out there that have no end in sight for them being closed. If and when there is another wave in the fall I doubt her business survives will survive. 
    Did the Canadian parliament/gov't do anything to help businesses?  IN the US we have the PPP and now the Fed funds program.  
    Yes they did but some she qualified for and others she did not.  Interest free loans and 75% of her wage is paid. They opted out of deferring their mortgage but if this went any longer they would have been in the negative and would have had to take advantage of that. Also they rent rooms out to other services like massage and had to eat 25% of that normal income. It is crazy how things add up so quickly when you have no money coming in. It is her business and I am out of the loop on all that goes on with this stuff to be honest though. One look at the bank account though tells a sad story. I know they will bounce back and hope those that have small business's here can do the same. 
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