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I think voters being played was less of an issue than Hillary being a generally robotic and unlikeable candidate. We have joe this time and he is much more like able. It is also very clear that every word he says doesn’t come off as if it was pre planned and thought about what the political optics will be. I’ve never heard of rick Wilson until Trump won in 2016. I’m sure Rick has more to gain by a Trump win than most, how will he be relevant without a Trump to rail against, maybe Rick is the Russian bot and he is the one doing the playing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.static111 said:
I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out. I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm. I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.JimmyV said:
Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:
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Biden
That’s why I said a part of me. I wouldn’t actually go that far.JimmyV said:
I share your contempt for people who behave this way, and there are no shortage of them in 2020...but being OK with Trump winning for any reason is a bridge much too far for me.static111 said:
I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out. I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm. I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.JimmyV said:
Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:Scio me nihil scire
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Biden
Yeah that's logical...static111 said:
I think voters being played was less of an issue than Hillary being a generally robotic and unlikeable candidate. We have joe this time and he is much more like able. It is also very clear that every word he says doesn’t come off as if it was pre planned and thought about what the political optics will be. I’ve never heard of rick Wilson until Trump won in 2016. I’m sure Rick has more to gain by a Trump win than most, how will he be relevant without a Trump to rail against, maybe Rick is the Russian bot and he is the one doing the playing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.static111 said:
I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out. I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm. I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.JimmyV said:
Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:www.myspace.com0 -
I'm sitting this one out
Yes, this 100%static111 said:
I think voters being played was less of an issue than Hillary being a generally robotic and unlikeable candidate. We have joe this time and he is much more like able. It is also very clear that every word he says doesn’t come off as if it was pre planned and thought about what the political optics will be. I’ve never heard of rick Wilson until Trump won in 2016. I’m sure Rick has more to gain by a Trump win than most, how will he be relevant without a Trump to rail against, maybe Rick is the Russian bot and he is the one doing the playing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.static111 said:
I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out. I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm. I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.JimmyV said:
Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:0 -
Biden
@pj44 watch out or we will soon be ignorant Trump supporting Russian bots.pjl44 said:
It's to line their own pockets. A few of them started a PAC called The Lincoln Project where they're fleecing Democrats and funneling donations to their own businesses.The Juggler said:
Um, I believe their ideological is distinctly conservatism. That's why they hate Trump so much and want him removed. Thought that was clear...pjl44 said:
There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:
Anti-Trump conservatism to me is more in the vein of Jonah Goldberg, David French, Charlie Cooke, etc. Outlets like The Dispatch and parts of National Review.
It's probably all inside baseball, but I find the first group absolutely insufferable like @static111 was saying.Scio me nihil scire
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I'm sitting this one out
It's too late for me, comrade. Save yourself.static111 said:
@pj44 watch out or we will soon be ignorant Trump supporting Russian bots.pjl44 said:
It's to line their own pockets. A few of them started a PAC called The Lincoln Project where they're fleecing Democrats and funneling donations to their own businesses.The Juggler said:
Um, I believe their ideological is distinctly conservatism. That's why they hate Trump so much and want him removed. Thought that was clear...pjl44 said:
There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:
Anti-Trump conservatism to me is more in the vein of Jonah Goldberg, David French, Charlie Cooke, etc. Outlets like The Dispatch and parts of National Review.
It's probably all inside baseball, but I find the first group absolutely insufferable like @static111 was saying.0 -
Biden
Speaking of George Conway and inside baseball, does anyone really think Trump would keep skeletor around this long if her husband was literally the opposition?pjl44 said:
It's too late for me, comrade. Save yourself.static111 said:
@pj44 watch out or we will soon be ignorant Trump supporting Russian bots.pjl44 said:
It's to line their own pockets. A few of them started a PAC called The Lincoln Project where they're fleecing Democrats and funneling donations to their own businesses.The Juggler said:
Um, I believe their ideological is distinctly conservatism. That's why they hate Trump so much and want him removed. Thought that was clear...pjl44 said:
There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:
Anti-Trump conservatism to me is more in the vein of Jonah Goldberg, David French, Charlie Cooke, etc. Outlets like The Dispatch and parts of National Review.
It's probably all inside baseball, but I find the first group absolutely insufferable like @static111 was saying.Scio me nihil scire
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Biden
The Lincoln Project has endorsed Joe Biden. How exactly is accepting donations to their own PAC considered "fleecing democrats?" lolpjl44 said:
It's to line their own pockets. A few of them started a PAC called The Lincoln Project where they're fleecing Democrats and funneling donations to their own businesses.The Juggler said:
Um, I believe their ideological is distinctly conservatism. That's why they hate Trump so much and want him removed. Thought that was clear...pjl44 said:
There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:
Anti-Trump conservatism to me is more in the vein of Jonah Goldberg, David French, Charlie Cooke, etc. Outlets like The Dispatch and parts of National Review.
It's probably all inside baseball, but I find the first group absolutely insufferable like @static111 was saying.
They're doing what they can to defeat Trump. When the last election came down to 70,000 people spread out through a few swing states, every vote counts. They recognize this--its the people who don't that I find insufferable.
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Biden
He does, but don't discount how much he gave up by becoming a never Trumper in the first place. He could have bent the knee and would probably be a 'senior campaign adviser' at this point. These four, even more so than the French's, Goldbergs, Sullivans, etc, put their careers on the line. They are strategists without a home.pjl44 said:
Yes, this 100%static111 said:
I think voters being played was less of an issue than Hillary being a generally robotic and unlikeable candidate. We have joe this time and he is much more like able. It is also very clear that every word he says doesn’t come off as if it was pre planned and thought about what the political optics will be. I’ve never heard of rick Wilson until Trump won in 2016. I’m sure Rick has more to gain by a Trump win than most, how will he be relevant without a Trump to rail against, maybe Rick is the Russian bot and he is the one doing the playing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.static111 said:
I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out. I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm. I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.JimmyV said:
Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:0 -
I'm sitting this one out
Look at where the expenditures go - to their own businesses. If a Democrat wants to support Biden, donate to his campaign or any of a number of PACs with a track record. Caveat emptor with these bozos.The Juggler said:
The Lincoln Project has endorsed Joe Biden. How exactly is accepting donations to their own PAC considered "fleecing democrats?" lolpjl44 said:
It's to line their own pockets. A few of them started a PAC called The Lincoln Project where they're fleecing Democrats and funneling donations to their own businesses.The Juggler said:
Um, I believe their ideological is distinctly conservatism. That's why they hate Trump so much and want him removed. Thought that was clear...pjl44 said:
There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:
Anti-Trump conservatism to me is more in the vein of Jonah Goldberg, David French, Charlie Cooke, etc. Outlets like The Dispatch and parts of National Review.
It's probably all inside baseball, but I find the first group absolutely insufferable like @static111 was saying.
They're doing what they can to defeat Trump. When the last election came down to 70,000 people spread out through a few swing states, every vote counts. They recognize this--its the people who don't that I find insufferable.0 -
Biden
Please prove that. Have you studied their books?pjl44 said:
Look at where the expenditures go - to their own businesses. If a Democrat wants to support Biden, donate to his campaign or any of a number of PACs with a track record. Caveat emptor with these bozos.The Juggler said:
The Lincoln Project has endorsed Joe Biden. How exactly is accepting donations to their own PAC considered "fleecing democrats?" lolpjl44 said:
It's to line their own pockets. A few of them started a PAC called The Lincoln Project where they're fleecing Democrats and funneling donations to their own businesses.The Juggler said:
Um, I believe their ideological is distinctly conservatism. That's why they hate Trump so much and want him removed. Thought that was clear...pjl44 said:
There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:
Anti-Trump conservatism to me is more in the vein of Jonah Goldberg, David French, Charlie Cooke, etc. Outlets like The Dispatch and parts of National Review.
It's probably all inside baseball, but I find the first group absolutely insufferable like @static111 was saying.
They're doing what they can to defeat Trump. When the last election came down to 70,000 people spread out through a few swing states, every vote counts. They recognize this--its the people who don't that I find insufferable.
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Biden
Exactly.mrussel1 said:
He does, but don't discount how much he gave up by becoming a never Trumper in the first place. He could have bent the knee and would probably be a 'senior campaign adviser' at this point. These four, even more so than the French's, Goldbergs, Sullivans, etc, put their careers on the line. They are strategists without a home.pjl44 said:
Yes, this 100%static111 said:
I think voters being played was less of an issue than Hillary being a generally robotic and unlikeable candidate. We have joe this time and he is much more like able. It is also very clear that every word he says doesn’t come off as if it was pre planned and thought about what the political optics will be. I’ve never heard of rick Wilson until Trump won in 2016. I’m sure Rick has more to gain by a Trump win than most, how will he be relevant without a Trump to rail against, maybe Rick is the Russian bot and he is the one doing the playing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.static111 said:
I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out. I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm. I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.JimmyV said:
Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:www.myspace.com0 -
I'm sitting this one out
Put me down as disagreeing wholeheartedly, but it's a free country and you can get behind whomever you wantmrussel1 said:
He does, but don't discount how much he gave up by becoming a never Trumper in the first place. He could have bent the knee and would probably be a 'senior campaign adviser' at this point. These four, even more so than the French's, Goldbergs, Sullivans, etc, put their careers on the line. They are strategists without a home.pjl44 said:
Yes, this 100%static111 said:
I think voters being played was less of an issue than Hillary being a generally robotic and unlikeable candidate. We have joe this time and he is much more like able. It is also very clear that every word he says doesn’t come off as if it was pre planned and thought about what the political optics will be. I’ve never heard of rick Wilson until Trump won in 2016. I’m sure Rick has more to gain by a Trump win than most, how will he be relevant without a Trump to rail against, maybe Rick is the Russian bot and he is the one doing the playing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.static111 said:
I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out. I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm. I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.JimmyV said:
Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:0 -
I'm sitting this one out
Not one of the first sources I would normally link to, but Red State did the work. You can go on opensecrets to cross check the numbers if you're so inclined. All of this stuff has to be publicly reported, so it's easy to find.The Juggler said:
Please prove that. Have you studied their books?pjl44 said:
Look at where the expenditures go - to their own businesses. If a Democrat wants to support Biden, donate to his campaign or any of a number of PACs with a track record. Caveat emptor with these bozos.The Juggler said:
The Lincoln Project has endorsed Joe Biden. How exactly is accepting donations to their own PAC considered "fleecing democrats?" lolpjl44 said:
It's to line their own pockets. A few of them started a PAC called The Lincoln Project where they're fleecing Democrats and funneling donations to their own businesses.The Juggler said:
Um, I believe their ideological is distinctly conservatism. That's why they hate Trump so much and want him removed. Thought that was clear...pjl44 said:
There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:
Anti-Trump conservatism to me is more in the vein of Jonah Goldberg, David French, Charlie Cooke, etc. Outlets like The Dispatch and parts of National Review.
It's probably all inside baseball, but I find the first group absolutely insufferable like @static111 was saying.
They're doing what they can to defeat Trump. When the last election came down to 70,000 people spread out through a few swing states, every vote counts. They recognize this--its the people who don't that I find insufferable.
And I think they're more interested in attracting republican and independent voters..
https://www.redstate.com/bradslager/2020/04/11/the-anti-trump-super-pac-the-lincoln-project-financials-show-what-they-truly-conserve-is-their-own-bank-accounts/
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They don't like Trump...but what the really hate is the moderate left.
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I'm not 'behind them', I'm simply pointing out that they put their careers on the line. Maybe it turns out to be a net positive for them, and they are extracting huge salaries from the Lincoln project. I'm not sure sure. But I absolutely believe they risked something in the process.pjl44 said:
Put me down as disagreeing wholeheartedly, but it's a free country and you can get behind whomever you wantmrussel1 said:
He does, but don't discount how much he gave up by becoming a never Trumper in the first place. He could have bent the knee and would probably be a 'senior campaign adviser' at this point. These four, even more so than the French's, Goldbergs, Sullivans, etc, put their careers on the line. They are strategists without a home.pjl44 said:
Yes, this 100%static111 said:
I think voters being played was less of an issue than Hillary being a generally robotic and unlikeable candidate. We have joe this time and he is much more like able. It is also very clear that every word he says doesn’t come off as if it was pre planned and thought about what the political optics will be. I’ve never heard of rick Wilson until Trump won in 2016. I’m sure Rick has more to gain by a Trump win than most, how will he be relevant without a Trump to rail against, maybe Rick is the Russian bot and he is the one doing the playing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.static111 said:
I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out. I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm. I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.JimmyV said:
Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one.static111 said:
When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.The Juggler said:0 -
Biden
I definitely see Clinton supporters as the sourest grapes of all, talk about Bernie living rent free in someone’s head. I guess that’s because I’m looking through my filter and you are looking through yours.Halifax2TheMax said:Sour grapes Bernie supporters are the most insufferable of them all. Amash will save you all. Good luck with that. But hey, its a free country.Scio me nihil scire
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Clinton who?static111 said:
I definitely see Clinton supporters as the sourest grapes of all, talk about Bernie living rent free in someone’s head. I guess that’s because I’m looking through my filter and you are looking through yours.Halifax2TheMax said:Sour grapes Bernie supporters are the most insufferable of them all. Amash will save you all. Good luck with that. But hey, its a free country.
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The irrelevant lady that would have saved us all...?Halifax2TheMax said:
Clinton who?static111 said:
I definitely see Clinton supporters as the sourest grapes of all, talk about Bernie living rent free in someone’s head. I guess that’s because I’m looking through my filter and you are looking through yours.Halifax2TheMax said:Sour grapes Bernie supporters are the most insufferable of them all. Amash will save you all. Good luck with that. But hey, its a free country.Scio me nihil scire
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