Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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And @brianlux, you were asking about Amash and the environment. He got into that in an interview with Nick Gillespie:

I'm glad if Amash is truly environmentally friendly.  The problem is, if he pulls voted from Biden and Trump gets another four years, the damage to the environment Trump could cause might set things back even further beyond what I just mentioned.  We cannot let this happen.  Amash will not win this coming election.  That is 99.99% certain.  He needs to hold off for four more years.

As someone who typically votes Libertarian, I can tell you we always hear that it's not the right election. Never is. Won't be in 2024 either. But I hear everything you're saying. You seem firmly Biden and I obviously get that. For me, Amash is the best candidate by a mile, I'm excited to vote for him, and would happily make the pitch to anyone else considering jumping on board early.

Let's be clear on what Amash is saying here.  He's saying he believes that man is affecting climate, and that he supports alternative energy, but he's AGAINST government getting involved in driving/subsidizing/regulating any particular energy source.  This is a true Libertarian position, but NOT an environmentally friendly one.  If the cost of fossil fuels were to stay below that of clean energy, he's saying there's no reason for gov't to get in the middle of that, regardless of how badly it damages the environment for future generation.  That's BAU and what we have today.  

Yeah, I totally agree with that position. There's no reason to subsidize current clean energy sources. They are marginal improvements, but there's nothing out there that is going to reverse course.

Is that the Libertarian position, that it's too late?  I know NASA and other agencies believe we can mitigate the damage and then start reversal in several decades.  While not in my lifetime, that's still worth doing.  "It's too late" doesn't seem to be Amash's angle, unless he's just avoiding saying it to pander for votes.  

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static111 said:

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/opinions/biden-tara-reade-allegations-2008-vetting-axelrod/index.html

Compelling... Axelrod is no lackey either. 

Do you honestly think that anyone will click on a link you post ever again?

Haha... I sent one to my friends titled "Pearl Jam to launch club tour in 2021".

Damn what did I miss?

The club tour that is rumored?  You didn't hear about it?  https://www.latlmes.com/breaking/pearl-jam-to-announce-club-tour-1

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

Greatest Bushism ever

mrussel1 said:

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pjl44 said:

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brianlux said:

pjl44 said:

And @brianlux, you were asking about Amash and the environment. He got into that in an interview with Nick Gillespie:

I'm glad if Amash is truly environmentally friendly.  The problem is, if he pulls voted from Biden and Trump gets another four years, the damage to the environment Trump could cause might set things back even further beyond what I just mentioned.  We cannot let this happen.  Amash will not win this coming election.  That is 99.99% certain.  He needs to hold off for four more years.

As someone who typically votes Libertarian, I can tell you we always hear that it's not the right election. Never is. Won't be in 2024 either. But I hear everything you're saying. You seem firmly Biden and I obviously get that. For me, Amash is the best candidate by a mile, I'm excited to vote for him, and would happily make the pitch to anyone else considering jumping on board early.

Let's be clear on what Amash is saying here.  He's saying he believes that man is affecting climate, and that he supports alternative energy, but he's AGAINST government getting involved in driving/subsidizing/regulating any particular energy source.  This is a true Libertarian position, but NOT an environmentally friendly one.  If the cost of fossil fuels were to stay below that of clean energy, he's saying there's no reason for gov't to get in the middle of that, regardless of how badly it damages the environment for future generation.  That's BAU and what we have today.  

Yeah, I totally agree with that position. There's no reason to subsidize current clean energy sources. They are marginal improvements, but there's nothing out there that is going to reverse course.

Is that the Libertarian position, that it's too late?  I know NASA and other agencies believe we can mitigate the damage and then start reversal in several decades.  While not in my lifetime, that's still worth doing.  "It's too late" doesn't seem to be Amash's angle, unless he's just avoiding saying it to pander for votes.  

No, I'm editorializing. All I know about his position is what's in that interview. I haven't looked at the LP platform on that, so I'm not sure on the party. If I were going to get behind subsidizing an available clean energy source or R&D on a new one, I'd want to know 4 things:

What is the fuel source, process, etc.?
How is it implemented?
Quantify the impact
What's the cost?

That would apply to whatever NASA and other agencies might be doing.

That's all well and good when you have multiple options and/or lack of an existential crisis.  The only thing I want to know is the efficacy.  We can work through the rest.  It's not going to bury the economy. 

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When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.  

Trumpism as safe space from smug tweets is a new one. 

I was thinking more because it’s like some people are more interested in making smug and pretentious comments about other people and smelling the air of their supposed moral high ground and supremely righteous stance than they are about actually doing work to get trump out.  I’m sure rick and the twitter like are making a handsome sum with their daily twitter rage farm.  I don’t understand how this position is more helpful than advocating for your candidate or against trump. Nothing is gained by posts like this. I guess alienating people that don’t share the exact opinions as you and saying they are falling for a big conspiracy of Russian bots is a great way to win an election.  

Wouldn't you only feel this way if what Rick is saying applies to you? Its not like voters weren't played in 2016.

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When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.  

There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.

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mrussel1 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/opinions/biden-tara-reade-allegations-2008-vetting-axelrod/index.html

Compelling... Axelrod is no lackey either. 

Do you honestly think that anyone will click on a link you post ever again?

Haha... I sent one to my friends titled "Pearl Jam to launch club tour in 2021".

Damn what did I miss?

The club tour that is rumored?  You didn't hear about it?  https://www.latlmes.com/breaking/pearl-jam-to-announce-club-tour-1

The Juggler said:

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static111 said:

The Juggler said:

When I see smug comments like this part of me just wants to stay home and let trump win.  

There is a distinct sliver of "Never Trump conservatives" who have no ideology beyond hating Trump and preening online. Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols, Jen Rubin, and George Conway are the Mt Rushmore.

Um, I believe their ideological is distinctly conservatism. That's why they hate Trump so much and want him removed. Thought that was clear...