Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    People keep bringing up all these big money bogeyman and I would like to state on the record: Bring it on! Soros, Koch, Adelson, Gates, DeVos, whomever. If you uncover any of these people dumping piles of cash on the LP, please post ASAP and I will be *stoked*.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    it just does not make sense for the right to potentially split their vote like this. they are going to team up.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    The Juggler said:
    Tara Reade on HRC endorsing Biden-

    "I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I voted for her in the primary. I'm a lifelong Democrat. But yet, what I see now is someone enabling a sexual predator and it was my former boss, Joe Biden, who raped me," Reade told Fox News. "Hillary Clinton has a history of enabling powerful men to cover up their sexual predatory behaviors and their inappropriate sexual misconduct. We don't need that for this country. We don't need that for our new generation coming up that wants institutional rape culture to change."

    So she says she voted for Hillary in '16 despite her "history of enabling powerful men to cover up their sexual predatory behaviors...". She had no problem with her then, but now is criticizing her for endorsing Biden? You'd think someone who was actually sexually assaulted and really believes Hillary has that kind of history with sexual predators wouldn't even consider voting for her in the first place right? Weird...


    strange....and she said she didn't come out about Biden before because she had so much respect for him.

    Really?  Respected someone who assaulted her?
    this doesn't pass the smell test.

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    pjl44 said:

    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    pjl44 said:

    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does
    the republicans are too smart when it comes to national elections. they will get their machine going and it is quite possible that this will happen. 

    if trump was concerned or angry about this, why has he not rage tweeted about it today? why is he not fearing being flanked by the right?

    i would not say take this to the bank, but don't rule it out.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,119
    pjl44 said:







    You’re sold on that? Hook, line and sinker? Really? Seriously?
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    pjl44 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    pjl44 said:

    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does
    the republicans are too smart when it comes to national elections. they will get their machine going and it is quite possible that this will happen. 

    if trump was concerned or angry about this, why has he not rage tweeted about it today? why is he not fearing being flanked by the right?

    i would not say take this to the bank, but don't rule it out.
    Gary Johnson and Bill Weld got 4.5 million votes in 2016. 2 Republican Governors. There's always a Libertarian candidate. This happens every Presidential election. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    amash left the gop and voted to impeach. trump should be losing his shit right now, but he isn't. it is too suspicious that he is being quiet about this. this does not add up either.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,467
    I'm sitting this one out
    Are people really arguing that Amash is working with Trump?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,119
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    With no real life experience of how it would actually work as a functioning society to point to. Just ask a certain someone who hasn’t been around for awhile.

    Social media has never influenced anyone to vote for a particular candidate.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    This is my point exactly. We could all laugh at Alex Jones together and yet now...
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Are people really arguing that Amash is working with Trump?
    In thinking about Amash running I was prepared for a lot of reactions, but did not see this one coming
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    This is my point exactly. We could all laugh at Alex Jones together and yet now...
    It just goes to show how each side can see what they want to see while the other side thinks it's crazy...because it is.

    Each side thinks their argument is based in reality and fact. Yuck. It is easy to get caught up in if you suspend disbelief.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    As a libertarian who has spent years embarrassed by the behavior of many ideological colleagues, I welcome my Republican and Democrat friends into this familiar world
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    I'm sitting this one out
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    This is my point exactly. We could all laugh at Alex Jones together and yet now...
    It just goes to show how each side can see what they want to see while the other side thinks it's crazy...because it is.

    Each side thinks their argument is based in reality and fact. Yuck. It is easy to get caught up in if you suspend disbelief.
    I'm busting balls about it, but should clarify that I do realize it's a minority that just happens to be very vocal. Same with social media.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    People keep bringing up all these big money bogeyman and I would like to state on the record: Bring it on! Soros, Koch, Adelson, Gates, DeVos, whomever. If you uncover any of these people dumping piles of cash on the LP, please post ASAP and I will be *stoked*.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors?cid=N00031938&cycle=CAREER
    Nearly 40% of the corporate money Amash has raised is from 4 sources: 

    Cato Institute $35,000
    The Cato Institute was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries. 

    Amway/Alticor Inc $163,205
    Alticor is a privately owned American corporation which is run by the DeVos family

    Windquest Group$92,275
    CEO and Founder Richard DeVos

    Club for Growth$275,605
    Founder: Stephen Moore - Donald Trump's Economic Advisor


    Nearly 14% ($196,000) came from Michigan Industrial Tools, aka Amash Imports
    Sector- Wholesale Trade. Trade Name- Michigan Industrial Tools, Amash Brothers Distributing. So
    MIT/Tekton doesn’t make anything, just “Imports” & “distributes” shit from China

    Amash is owned by the Republican party and China

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