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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    So an opinion now with no data to back it up is ok, but data now is too early?

    Cause remember:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited April 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    So an opinion now with no data to back it up is ok, but data now is too early?

    Cause remember:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html


    I've actually read that article, have you? The conclusion isn't as binary as you are painting it out to be. Or what you would believe from just reading the headline or just looking at the pictures. 

    I don't see how it disputes WHO Ryan's "data free" opinion.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Why is there so much discussion on Sweden?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited April 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Why is there so much discussion on Sweden?
    We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:

    - We have not closed down our schools.
    - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. 
    - We have not closed our borders
    - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks
    - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.

    Etc.

    (if your question was honest, and not sarcastic) 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Why is there so much discussion on Sweden?
    We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:

    - We have not closed down our schools.
    - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. 
    - We have not closed our borders
    - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks
    - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.

    Etc.

    (if your question was honest, and not sarcastic) 
    Yes I know that:
    1. You're Swedish so you understandably like to discuss Sweden.  Although you're not a member of Kiss, yet that seems to be discussed more.  
    2. I am interested in the Swedish model as that gives us an interesting test against the 'control' of social distancing and shelter orders.  
    3. However, the amount of posts seem disproportionate

    I checked out of this thread for about 2k posts and then came back.  I was all Corona, all the time at work for about a month so the last thing I wanted was leisure reading to be about the same.  But we're now ramping business back up so I thought I'd come back on, and it's dominated by Sweden.  I was trying to see if something new was afoot, but it seems like BAU around here.  Carry on.  

    BTW - I know you were worried about your mother early on.  Is she (and other vulnerable members of society) generally practicing social distancing like other countries?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Why is there so much discussion on Sweden?
    We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:

    - We have not closed down our schools.
    - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. 
    - We have not closed our borders
    - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks
    - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.

    Etc.

    (if your question was honest, and not sarcastic) 
    All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.

    look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Why is there so much discussion on Sweden?
    We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:

    - We have not closed down our schools.
    - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. 
    - We have not closed our borders
    - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks
    - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.

    Etc.

    (if your question was honest, and not sarcastic) 
    All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.

    look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
    When did I pretend to be a tortured soul exactly?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Why is there so much discussion on Sweden?
    We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:

    - We have not closed down our schools.
    - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. 
    - We have not closed our borders
    - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks
    - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.

    Etc.

    (if your question was honest, and not sarcastic) 
    All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.

    look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
    When did I pretend to be a tortured soul exactly?
    Yesterday....in this thread.  
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited April 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Why is there so much discussion on Sweden?
    We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:

    - We have not closed down our schools.
    - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. 
    - We have not closed our borders
    - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks
    - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.

    Etc.

    (if your question was honest, and not sarcastic) 
    All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.

    look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
    When did I pretend to be a tortured soul exactly?
    Yesterday....in this thread.  
    ?

    I just answered mrussels question. And he seemed okey with the answer given.

    I don't see the reason for your weird reaction, and lashing out at me.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Why is there so much discussion on Sweden?
    We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:

    - We have not closed down our schools.
    - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. 
    - We have not closed our borders
    - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks
    - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.

    Etc.

    (if your question was honest, and not sarcastic) 
    All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.

    look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
    When did I pretend to be a tortured soul exactly?
    Yesterday....in this thread.  
    ?

    I just answered mrussels question. And he seemed okey with the answer given.

    I don't see the reason for your weird reaction, and lashing out at me.
    Here we go again ;)
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Trump says "distancing will fade out as deaths pass 60,000."  More deaths, less distancing.  Can somebody please explain the logic here?
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    brianlux said:
    Trump says "distancing will fade out as deaths pass 60,000."  More deaths, less distancing.  Can somebody please explain the logic here?
    Presumably the rate of deaths per day is going down enough that (they think) it's safe to ease restrictions, even though the aggregate number will always go up
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited April 2020
    brianlux said:
    Trump says "distancing will fade out as deaths pass 60,000."  More deaths, less distancing.  Can somebody please explain the logic here?
    I believe the kids call that a non sequitur.  Or just straight illogical. 
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    Interesting viewpoint https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/sweden-coronavirus-response-death-social-distancing.html
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890


    This is what a lot of States will be dealing with sadly if and when we get a vaccine. 
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    ^ Idiots. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    bbiggs said:
    ^ Idiots. 
    They are, but that's on them.  Once there is a vaccine, I don't need to rely on idiots to practice smart behavior.  
  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 767

    The infected people who received remdesivir, an experimental drug made by Gilead Sciences that cripples an enzyme several viruses use to copy their RNA, recovered in an average of 11 days versus 15 in patients who received a placebo. ...The patients treated with remdesivir also had a lower mortality rate—8% versus 11.6% in the group given the placebo—but this positive trend did not reach statistical significance, Fauci noted.

    ...

    Fauci says the board is releasing the overall results early in part on ethical grounds: Given the positive data, remdesivir must now be offered to all study participants, and trials of other treatments now underway must start offering the drug instead of a placebo, Fauci said.

    The search for COVID-19 treatments that can do better than remdesivir remains a top priority.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Everybody getting psyched to take the family down to Orlando? Airfare is cheap, planes are empty, what are you waiting for? Go on now, jump start the economy and OAA! 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Everybody getting psyched to take the family down to Orlando? Airfare is cheap, planes are empty, what are you waiting for? Go on now, jump start the economy and OAA! 
    You and I should get adjoining rooms at the Polynesian!! I know I have five kids but it will be fun. Bro you and I chilling on “it s a small world!”   I ll buy the alcohol and you buy the range time.  ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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