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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    Biden
    If this does turn out to be true, "establishment" Democrats should never again be allowed to decide pizza toppings never mind Presidential candidates. Hillary and now this? JFC.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    ICDragons said:
    Calm down. We aren’t talking about me. 

    You screw one goat. Never get a pass.
    What kind of analogy is that? So you never did anything before you were 22 that you'd be embarrassed about today.  Got it. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



    @mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?
    I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    I'm sitting this one out
    Look at the timing of this event. At this point, Anita Hill had been dragged through the mud. In the coming years the same would happen to Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Monica Lewinsky and Juanita Broaddrick. That's layered on top of any baseline trauma that comes with being an abuse victim. There was clearly a dark road ahead if you were accusung a "household name" politician of sexual assault or harassment.

    This isn't to say that it definitely happened. But if you're one to find yourself puzzled about "why now" there's an obvious answer if it is indeed true. It's a combination of the above and the #MeToo movement forcing people to listen.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Joe Biden spent eight years a heartbeat away from that same spot. He was on the ballot twice. This never came up despite his being plenty close to the highest position in his profession. Biden and Kavanaugh are not the same.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Joe Biden spent eight years a heartbeat away from that same spot. He was on the ballot twice. This never came up despite his being plenty close to the highest position in his profession. Biden and Kavanaugh are not the same.
    Oh I agree they’re not the same. One was lynched by the media, the other wasn’t even vetted. Not that I really care about Biden or Kavanaugh dealing with accusations. Nor do I care to find out the truth because it’s impossible in both circumstances. But you have to see see the unfair difference in the coverage and response to the allegations, don’t you? 

    Also, bad defense of Biden by you when you say that he was a heartbeat away from the presidency after I implied Ford accused Kavanagh because he was about to ascend to the highest office. So since Read didn't do that while he was vice-president, that suggests she's not doing it to block his political aspirations. I guess she just feels it's time to tell her story?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Kavanagh had more than one accuser. Also, Kavanagh was up for a lifetime appointment to the most powerful court in the country. I personally think the standards should be higher.

    This allegation will go to the people for a vote, so I don't think these situations are the same.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Pelosi, top House progressive give Biden twin endorsements

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Joe Biden spent eight years a heartbeat away from that same spot. He was on the ballot twice. This never came up despite his being plenty close to the highest position in his profession. Biden and Kavanaugh are not the same.
    Oh I agree they’re not the same. One was lynched by the media, the other wasn’t even vetted. Not that I really care about Biden or Kavanaugh dealing with accusations. Nor do I care to find out the truth because it’s impossible in both circumstances. But you have to see see the unfair difference in the coverage and response to the allegations, don’t you? 

    One hasn't been lynched by the media yet. The coverage of this would be much different in a world without COVID, IMO. We'll see where we are in a month. I'm betting the lynching is still to come. (And if he did this, it will be deserved.)

    EDIT: You added text to this after I quoted it. Perhaps Reade isn't doing this for political reasons. (Possible.) Perhaps no one advising her is doing so with a political agenda. (Unlikely in 2020.) We don't know, and I'm not going to pretend to. But that this has never come up before remains relevant.
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  • CM189191
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    lol

    'on the record'

    stop promoting this trash
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,445
    edited April 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:


     @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



    @mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?
    I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 
    Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

    Or am I wrong?



    And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

    But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



    Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel yourself has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him during the late 80s/early 90s -- but was anything out of the ordinary. That is how men were joking, or whatever you defended him with.

    Now delve into that culture a bit more, and put yourself in a woman's shoes being in that world. Just look at Anita Hill. Then look at Biden during the Anita Hill hearings. Then back at Anita Hill again.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Biden
    dignin said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Kavanagh had more than one accuser. Also, Kavanagh was up for a lifetime appointment to the most powerful court in the country. I personally think the standards should be higher.

    This allegation will go to the people for a vote, so I don't think these situations are the same.
    You're right, it's not the same. It won't even be considered in the November vote. I'd love to see Biden have to sit there like Kavanagh did at his confirmation hearing and answer questions. THEN the situations would be the same. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Joe Biden spent eight years a heartbeat away from that same spot. He was on the ballot twice. This never came up despite his being plenty close to the highest position in his profession. Biden and Kavanaugh are not the same.
    Oh I agree they’re not the same. One was lynched by the media, the other wasn’t even vetted. Not that I really care about Biden or Kavanaugh dealing with accusations. Nor do I care to find out the truth because it’s impossible in both circumstances. But you have to see see the unfair difference in the coverage and response to the allegations, don’t you? 

    One hasn't been lynched by the media yet. The coverage of this would be much different in a world without COVID, IMO. We'll see where we are in a month. I'm betting the lynching is still to come. (And if he did this, it will be deserved.)
    He will not be lynched by the media. Sure Fox News will. But the other networks won't even acknowledge the accusations let alone discuss them on air at length. And as for if he did it, there's probably no way of knowing.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    edited April 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



    @mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?
    I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 
    Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

    Or am I wrong?



    And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

    But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



    Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel youserld has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him -- but was anything out of the ordinary.
    Or an Aaaaaahnold who impregnated his house keeper while married to Maria Shriver? And kept the child a secret until the house keeper wanted financial support for raising their child alone? That Aaaaaaaanold?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited April 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    @Kat and @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



    @mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?
    I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 
    Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

    Or am I wrong?



    And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

    But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



    Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel youserld has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him -- but was anything out of the ordinary.
    Or an Aaaaaahnold who impregnated his house keeper while married to Maria Shriver? And kept the child a secret until the house keeper wanted financial support for raising their child alone? That Aaaaaaaanold?
    Please don't quote me if you do not have anything of value to post. 

    Thank you.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,204
    I'm sitting this one out
    this thread is both hilarious and disgusting. It’s no wonder a lot of people don’t vote.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Joe Biden spent eight years a heartbeat away from that same spot. He was on the ballot twice. This never came up despite his being plenty close to the highest position in his profession. Biden and Kavanaugh are not the same.
    Oh I agree they’re not the same. One was lynched by the media, the other wasn’t even vetted. Not that I really care about Biden or Kavanaugh dealing with accusations. Nor do I care to find out the truth because it’s impossible in both circumstances. But you have to see see the unfair difference in the coverage and response to the allegations, don’t you? 

    One hasn't been lynched by the media yet. The coverage of this would be much different in a world without COVID, IMO. We'll see where we are in a month. I'm betting the lynching is still to come. (And if he did this, it will be deserved.)
    He will not be lynched by the media. Sure Fox News will. But the other networks won't even acknowledge the accusations let alone discuss them on air at length. And as for if he did it, there's probably no way of knowing.

    We'll see, but I doubt very much that this is true.
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Joe Biden spent eight years a heartbeat away from that same spot. He was on the ballot twice. This never came up despite his being plenty close to the highest position in his profession. Biden and Kavanaugh are not the same.
    Oh I agree they’re not the same. One was lynched by the media, the other wasn’t even vetted. Not that I really care about Biden or Kavanaugh dealing with accusations. Nor do I care to find out the truth because it’s impossible in both circumstances. But you have to see see the unfair difference in the coverage and response to the allegations, don’t you? 

    Also, bad defense of Biden by you when you say that he was a heartbeat away from the presidency after I implied Ford accused Kavanagh because he was about to ascend to the highest office. So since Read didn't do that while he was vice-president, that suggests she's not doing it to block his political aspirations. I guess she just feels it's time to tell her story?
    Ford wasn’t running around the media accusing Kavanaugh while claiming she was seeking a fair process for justice. She was a reluctant witness who, after being “outed” and when compelled to via subpoena, I believe, testified before the senate judiciary committee on live television. Kavanaugh was at the witness table with legal counsel as well as legal counsel asking the accuser questions. Huge difference between the two ways this has thus far played out.

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    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

    None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.
    Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

    I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.
    Joe Biden spent eight years a heartbeat away from that same spot. He was on the ballot twice. This never came up despite his being plenty close to the highest position in his profession. Biden and Kavanaugh are not the same.
    Oh I agree they’re not the same. One was lynched by the media, the other wasn’t even vetted. Not that I really care about Biden or Kavanaugh dealing with accusations. Nor do I care to find out the truth because it’s impossible in both circumstances. But you have to see see the unfair difference in the coverage and response to the allegations, don’t you? 

    One hasn't been lynched by the media yet. The coverage of this would be much different in a world without COVID, IMO. We'll see where we are in a month. I'm betting the lynching is still to come. (And if he did this, it will be deserved.)
    He will not be lynched by the media. Sure Fox News will. But the other networks won't even acknowledge the accusations let alone discuss them on air at length. And as for if he did it, there's probably no way of knowing.
    We'll see, but I doubt very much that this is true.
    I find it shocking that would say that. But then again, like you said, we'll see....
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