Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

rgambs

Biden

The whole thing sucks.
Attack Biden and it empowers an undoubtedly bigger abuser in Trump, which is fucking preposterous, but true.
Do nothing and it makes you a hypocrite and enables abuse.

mrussel1

Biden

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/johnjcook/status/1254812469916295170?s=20

@Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



@mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?

I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 

Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

Or am I wrong?



And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel yourself has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him during the late 80s/early 90s -- but was anything out of the ordinary. That is how men were joking, or whatever you defended him with.

Now delve into that culture a bit more, and put yourself in a woman's shoes being in that world. Just look at Anita Hill. Then look at Biden during the Anita Hill hearings. Then back at Anita Hill again.

1. "out of respect for the senator" means she respects the senator.  It's the same statement.  In English, there isn't a different, it's just a sentence construct. 
2. Regarding your statement about the culture, I'm pointing out the facts, not casting judgment.  I don't think it's right using today's lens.  But at the same time, a person can't reverse time and change what they did.  So there has to be a culture of redemption in this country.  I'm not saying that about actual rape here, because that's a crime and has been a crime.  But stuff like Bloomberg or Northam, while vile using today's eyes, wasn't back then.  And don't think there are things you have said or done in the past ten years that won't be repulsive 20 years from now.  

Halifax2TheMax

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/johnjcook/status/1254812469916295170?s=20

@Kat and @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



@mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?

I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 

Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

Or am I wrong?



And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel youserld has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him -- but was anything out of the ordinary.

Or an Aaaaaahnold who impregnated his house keeper while married to Maria Shriver? And kept the child a secret until the house keeper wanted financial support for raising their child alone? That Aaaaaaaanold?

Please don't quote me if you do not have anything of value to post. 

Thank you.

How do you feel about aaaaaahnold impregnating his house keeper while married in the context of powerful men and women who work for them? Like Tara and Sleepy Woke Joe?

Nice deflection by the way.

mickeyrat

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JimmyV said:

Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.

Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.

Kavanagh had more than one accuser. Also, Kavanagh was up for a lifetime appointment to the most powerful court in the country. I personally think the standards should be higher.

This allegation will go to the people for a vote, so I don't think these situations are the same.

You're right, it's not the same. It won't even be considered in the November vote. I'd love to see Biden have to sit there like Kavanagh did at his confirmation hearing and answer questions. THEN the situations would be the same. 

lets have the fbi conduct the same investigation then...

mrussel1

Biden

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JimmyV said:

Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.

Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.

Kavanagh had more than one accuser. Also, Kavanagh was up for a lifetime appointment to the most powerful court in the country. I personally think the standards should be higher.

This allegation will go to the people for a vote, so I don't think these situations are the same.

You're right, it's not the same. It won't even be considered in the November vote. I'd love to see Biden have to sit there like Kavanagh did at his confirmation hearing and answer questions. THEN the situations would be the same. 

lets have the fbi conduct the same investigation then...

The FBI that report to Barr?

nicknyr15

I'm sitting this one out

rgambs said:

The whole thing sucks.
Attack Biden and it empowers an undoubtedly bigger abuser in Trump, which is fucking preposterous, but true.
Do nothing and it makes you a hypocrite and enables abuse.

This is the best post in this thread. Finely,someone being objective and realistic. Instead of defensive and hypocritical. It’s a shitty situations. 

mickeyrat

Biden

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JimmyV said:

Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.

Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.

Kavanagh had more than one accuser. Also, Kavanagh was up for a lifetime appointment to the most powerful court in the country. I personally think the standards should be higher.

This allegation will go to the people for a vote, so I don't think these situations are the same.

You're right, it's not the same. It won't even be considered in the November vote. I'd love to see Biden have to sit there like Kavanagh did at his confirmation hearing and answer questions. THEN the situations would be the same. 

lets have the fbi conduct the same investigation then...

The FBI that report to Barr?

exact same parameters.  Barr has nothing to with, just like doj didnt beyond hamstringing fbi per mcconnels wishes...

JimmyV

Biden

People can call me a hypocrite or anything else they like, and I am under no illusion that this is not a terribly shitty situation. It sucks all around. But I'm not going to pretend that Kavanaugh and Biden are the same.

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

nicknyr15 said:

rgambs said:

The whole thing sucks.
Attack Biden and it empowers an undoubtedly bigger abuser in Trump, which is fucking preposterous, but true.
Do nothing and it makes you a hypocrite and enables abuse.

This is the best post in this thread. Finely,someone being objective and realistic. Instead of defensive and hypocritical. It’s a shitty situations. 

But instead:

Believe women without a hesitation when it is a republican judge

Believe Biden without a hesitation, who evidently had no problems treating women (like Anita Hill) during this period like they were second grade humans and sexual harassment wasn't anything of note, because reasons.

JimmyV

Biden

#ShouldaBeenWarren

nicknyr15

I'm sitting this one out

Spiritual_Chaos said:

nicknyr15 said:

rgambs said:

The whole thing sucks.
Attack Biden and it empowers an undoubtedly bigger abuser in Trump, which is fucking preposterous, but true.
Do nothing and it makes you a hypocrite and enables abuse.

This is the best post in this thread. Finely,someone being objective and realistic. Instead of defensive and hypocritical. It’s a shitty situations. 

But instead:

Believe women without a hesitation when it is a republican judge

Believe Biden without a hesitation, who evidently had no problems treating women (like Anita Hill) during this period like they were second grade humans and sexual harassment wasn't anything of note, because reasons.

I agree with you. I just don’t have the energy to argue with certain people here that are completely unable to have an unbiased outlook. 

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/johnjcook/status/1254812469916295170?s=20

@Kat and @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



@mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?

I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 

Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

Or am I wrong?



And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel yourself has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him during the late 80s/early 90s -- but was anything out of the ordinary. That is how men were joking, or whatever you defended him with.

Now delve into that culture a bit more, and put yourself in a woman's shoes being in that world. Just look at Anita Hill. Then look at Biden during the Anita Hill hearings. Then back at Anita Hill again.

1. "out of respect for the senator" means she respects the senator.  It's the same statement.  In English, there isn't a different, it's just a sentence construct. 

Seems there is. 

Not to go inside Taras head and trying to figure out what happened between her telling her mom and mom talking and perheps condensing things about it on the phone with Larry King -- but out of respect for, I could imagine could be about destroying his life, destroying his job as a senator, causing problems for him and his family etc. 


And also, you did not respond:

My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? 

JimmyV

Biden

So we can really only mute 5 people at a time? Asking for a friend.

dignin

JimmyV said:

So we can really only mute 5 people at a time? Asking for a friend.

Guess your friend is going to have to unmute me then.

CM189191

JimmyV said:

So we can really only mute 5 people at a time? Asking for a friend.

I recommend starting here: 



This place has been great for me since these folks decided their opinions didn't matter anymore.  

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dignin said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JimmyV said:

Kavanaugh is a false equivalency. At the time of his nomination to the Supreme Court he was a relative unknown to most of us. Joe Biden is not. He has been a household name for decades, is a three time presidential candidate and a two term Vice President. He served in the US Senate for years. He has been vetted both by Republican opposition research and Obama's people before they put him on the ticket. Yet...this has never come up.

None of us know what happened, and maybe this is true, but comparing Biden to Kavanaugh and pretending they are the same is a convenient delusion. It will score you points when arguing on the internet, but that has never made anything true.

Doesn't this make it even less fair to Kavanaugh? The moment he emerges on the national scene, he's accused of an alleged crime from decades ago. That being the FIRST thing many people heard regarding Brett Kavanaugh puts him way behind in the court of public opinion. Biden on the other hand, being a household name for decades, has built up enough good-will with the public that a sexual assault allegation is one of dozens (or maybe hundreds) of things we already know about him. Plus Joe has fans. And you know how defensive fans can be when when one of the people they admire get accused of something like this. Kobe Bryant, Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Cosby, Woody Allen.....they all had their defenders because prior to any allegations, people already liked their basketball playing/football playing/TV show/movies.

I think this Biden thing is very much like the Kavanaugh thing. An alleged incident from decades ago, that only came to light the moment he's about to ascend to the highest position in his profession.

Kavanagh had more than one accuser. Also, Kavanagh was up for a lifetime appointment to the most powerful court in the country. I personally think the standards should be higher.

This allegation will go to the people for a vote, so I don't think these situations are the same.

You're right, it's not the same. It won't even be considered in the November vote. I'd love to see Biden have to sit there like Kavanagh did at his confirmation hearing and answer questions. THEN the situations would be the same. 

lets have the fbi conduct the same investigation then...

The FBI that report to Barr?

exact same parameters.  Barr has nothing to with, just like doj didnt beyond hamstringing fbi per mcconnels wishes...

Bring it on. Will Tara allow herself to be interviewed by the FBI?

JimmyV

Biden

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

So we can really only mute 5 people at a time? Asking for a friend.

Guess your friend is going to have to unmute me then.

Rest assured you are not on my friend's list! (Or so he tells me...)

Halifax2TheMax

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/johnjcook/status/1254812469916295170?s=20

@Kat and @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



@mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?

I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 

Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

Or am I wrong?



And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel yourself has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him during the late 80s/early 90s -- but was anything out of the ordinary. That is how men were joking, or whatever you defended him with.

Now delve into that culture a bit more, and put yourself in a woman's shoes being in that world. Just look at Anita Hill. Then look at Biden during the Anita Hill hearings. Then back at Anita Hill again.

1. "out of respect for the senator" means she respects the senator.  It's the same statement.  In English, there isn't a different, it's just a sentence construct. 

Seems there is. 

Not to go inside Taras head and trying to figure out what happened between her telling her mom and mom talking and perheps condensing things about it on the phone with Larry King -- but out of respect for, I could imagine could be about destroying his life, destroying his job as a senator, causing problems for him and his family etc. 


And also, you did not respond:

My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? 

What’s changed? From the Julian Assange thread:

gimmesometruth27

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/johnjcook/status/1254812469916295170?s=20

@Kat and @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



@mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?

I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 

Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

Or am I wrong?



And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel youserld has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him -- but was anything out of the ordinary.

Or an Aaaaaahnold who impregnated his house keeper while married to Maria Shriver? And kept the child a secret until the house keeper wanted financial support for raising their child alone? That Aaaaaaaanold?

Please don't quote me if you do not have anything of value to post. 

Thank you.

pot meet kettle, haha.

gimmesometruth27

Biden

rgambs said:

The whole thing sucks.
Attack Biden and it empowers an undoubtedly bigger abuser in Trump, which is fucking preposterous, but true.
Do nothing and it makes you a hypocrite and enables abuse.

i agree. trump is my enemy though. i will vote for whomever is opposed to him and i will wear it and i will deal with the guilt i might feel.