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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    brianlux said:
    pjl44 said:
    You people will squabble about anything 

    I wouldn't throw the first stone.  You and I are as guilty here as anyone else.  

    That said, you do make a good point.  And during this stressful time (at least speaking for myself- I'm highly stressed due to being at risk for COVID-19), it makes more sense for us to be informative, supportive, and empathetic here, not argumentative.  I'll try to do better that way.  I hope we all can. 
    It wasn't terribly serious. Hopefully the subsequent posts show that.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    pjl44 said:
    brianlux said:
    pjl44 said:
    You people will squabble about anything 

    I wouldn't throw the first stone.  You and I are as guilty here as anyone else.  

    That said, you do make a good point.  And during this stressful time (at least speaking for myself- I'm highly stressed due to being at risk for COVID-19), it makes more sense for us to be informative, supportive, and empathetic here, not argumentative.  I'll try to do better that way.  I hope we all can. 
    It wasn't terribly serious. Hopefully the subsequent posts show that.

    No worries, pjl.  If anything, I'm reminding myself not to be an a-hole on these threads.  It's a tough time we're facing.  I wish everyone here the best and hope we all get through this tough time.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited April 2020
    dankind said:
    So after the weak protest was dispersed because no one could find a place to park, all that was left was this angry dude who sped around the neighborhood, honking his horn and otherwise behaving like a douchelord. 

    (Photo courtesy of a neighbor)

    :lol:

    My town and the city that borders us have blocked street parking for weeks now to keep ignoramuses from overcrowding the beaches.
    So apparently, these ignoramuses are going to make this a weekly thing (every Thursday). And most of them aren't even from the commonwealth. Look at the license plate.

    Build a wall!
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,362
    dankind said:
    dankind said:
    So after the weak protest was dispersed because no one could find a place to park, all that was left was this angry dude who sped around the neighborhood, honking his horn and otherwise behaving like a douchelord. 

    (Photo courtesy of a neighbor)

    :lol:

    My town and the city that borders us have blocked street parking for weeks now to keep ignoramuses from overcrowding the beaches.
    So apparently, these ignoramuses are going to make this a weekly thing (every Thursday). And most of them aren't even from the commonwealth. Look at the license plate.

    Build a wall!
    There's no "Don't Tread On Me" flag, he's no fucking patriot...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    dankind said:
    dankind said:
    So after the weak protest was dispersed because no one could find a place to park, all that was left was this angry dude who sped around the neighborhood, honking his horn and otherwise behaving like a douchelord. 

    (Photo courtesy of a neighbor)

    :lol:

    My town and the city that borders us have blocked street parking for weeks now to keep ignoramuses from overcrowding the beaches.
    So apparently, these ignoramuses are going to make this a weekly thing (every Thursday). And most of them aren't even from the commonwealth. Look at the license plate.

    Build a wall!
    Where is this? NOVA?  That looks like the Potomac but it's hard to see.  I can't make out the plate.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    earlier today i read that the daily briefing was canceled for today, but now it is back on. wonder what gives?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    dankind said:
    So after the weak protest was dispersed because no one could find a place to park, all that was left was this angry dude who sped around the neighborhood, honking his horn and otherwise behaving like a douchelord. 

    (Photo courtesy of a neighbor)

    :lol:

    My town and the city that borders us have blocked street parking for weeks now to keep ignoramuses from overcrowding the beaches.
    So apparently, these ignoramuses are going to make this a weekly thing (every Thursday). And most of them aren't even from the commonwealth. Look at the license plate.

    Build a wall!
    Where is this? NOVA?  That looks like the Potomac but it's hard to see.  I can't make out the plate.  
    Massachusetts.

    But all the license plates I've seen for these protests of Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) in front of his personal home, not the State House (because dickheads), are from New Hampshire. 
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Live Free or Die by protesting somebody else's governor. 
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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,863
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    The Netherlands is a little bigger than Sweden at 17 million and has about 4500 fatalities. California is the world wide covid rock star. They had the earliest cases, huge population and “only” 1700 fatalities.
    What is the excess death rate for California for this spring?
    I see you've latched onto the Fake News, Fake Hospital reporting bullshit.  Hmmm...Google says, based on your previous searches you might enjoy foxnews.com.
    Don't know what you are doing now.

    But keep it up why don't you.
    Everytime someone posts about Covid-19 deaths you are now asking... what about excess death rate...meaning you don;t believe number. Right?
    "don't believe number" - what?

    There being a lot of cases out there in the world not covered in the numbers out of e.g. hospitals?  

    Don't see where the fake news/fake hospital/fox news angle comes from regarding that.

    But please, elaborate.
    Not sure what you are getting at sc with "excess" death rate.

    One of the right wing talking points has been people are not dying of covid, that its something else and it's all a liberal conspiracy to scare everyone. The biggest something else is hypertension. 

    Using NY as an example, in a typical month 225 die from hypertension.  In the first month of covid over 9000 NYers died from a combo of covid and hypertension. So obviously the conservatives are trying to obfuscate?

    It seems now you are arguing the opposite of that fox news talking point?

    When the US beats sweden once in a blue moon at hockey, the fans blame the referee,  right? I think there is alot of that going on with the counting process 

    We should trust California reporting. They locked down earlier than anyone else in NA and a majority of their commuters are in their cars, not packed into trains

    It seems easy to figure out why Cali has done so well compared to many other places
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,863
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    I've seen several articles that express some doubt about a vaccine. Linked a couple below. The opening-back-up idea flows from that. Can't remember who I've seen say it specifically, but Google away if you're interested. 

     https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-impossible-to-produce-scientists-covid-2020-4

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51665497



    I agree there is certainly doubt. If science is unable to come up with a vaccine - that will certainly hurt the economy long term. Consumers will be very nervous for their safety and very cautious about spending. Especially in "every man for himself" healthcare countries like the US.

    But in my opinion doctors comparing this effort to previous vaccine attempts are not being entirely forthcoming. The efforts of the entire world will be focused on a covid vaccine.

    Also it's possible a different form of treatment is possible, like the article suggests. The important point is science deserves time to figure this out before we risk mass victims similar to the spanish flu. Or at least have plans to limit exposure like rapid testing and tracing on a scale the US has never seen 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    I've seen several articles that express some doubt about a vaccine. Linked a couple below. The opening-back-up idea flows from that. Can't remember who I've seen say it specifically, but Google away if you're interested. 

     https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-impossible-to-produce-scientists-covid-2020-4

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51665497



    I agree there is certainly doubt. If science is unable to come up with a vaccine - that will certainly hurt the economy long term. Consumers will be very nervous for their safety and very cautious about spending. Especially in "every man for himself" healthcare countries like the US.

    But in my opinion doctors comparing this effort to previous vaccine attempts are not being entirely forthcoming. The efforts of the entire world will be focused on a covid vaccine.

    Also it's possible a different form of treatment is possible, like the article suggests. The important point is science deserves time to figure this out before we risk mass victims similar to the spanish flu. Or at least have plans to limit exposure like rapid testing and tracing on a scale the US has never seen 
    Yeah, I'm with you on all of this. For a while it seemed like with a vaccine it was only a matter of time. Last couple weeks is when I started seeing people expressing doubt about whether we'd see one at all. I'm certainly hoping the former group is right.

    Treatment seems like a really underrated path to me. Everyone is watching that remdesivir trial. If it works, that could come way earlier than a vaccine. Couple that with summer weather and there's a little hope.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Speaking of vaccines, here's the latest story on the one Oxford is working on:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    tempo_n_groove said:
    dankind said:
    dankind said:
    So after the weak protest was dispersed because no one could find a place to park, all that was left was this angry dude who sped around the neighborhood, honking his horn and otherwise behaving like a douchelord. 

    (Photo courtesy of a neighbor)

    :lol:

    My town and the city that borders us have blocked street parking for weeks now to keep ignoramuses from overcrowding the beaches.
    So apparently, these ignoramuses are going to make this a weekly thing (every Thursday). And most of them aren't even from the commonwealth. Look at the license plate.

    Build a wall!
    There's no "Don't Tread On Me" flag, he's no fucking patriot...
    True patriots know when to say “when”.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    rgambs said:
    Not much very much difference at all between
    "may never get a vaccine, can't stay closed forever, might as well open up"
    And
    "Vaccine won't come for a long time, can't be closed until it does, might as well never close"


    At the end of the day this is what I feel like we've done.  We've helped the hospitals catch their breath but that's about it.  But if we start opening up again I think we only bought ourselves 6 weeks and have 2 years until a vaccine (maybe).  But the cost of that six weeks was trillions and massive unemployment.   

    I'm not saying that I disagreed with shutting things down.   Did it just delay the inevitable at a steep cost. 

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Interesting story about a group of billionaires and scientists working together on a cure or vaccine... 


    The Secret Group of Scientists and Billionaires Pushing a Manhattan Project for Covid-19 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-secret-group-of-scientists-and-billionaires-pushing-trump-on-a-covid-19-plan-11587998993
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    pjl44 said:
    Speaking of vaccines, here's the latest story on the one Oxford is working on:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

    Much needed hopefulness! 

    Thanks for posting it- I needed some good news today.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    Interesting story about a group of billionaires and scientists working together on a cure or vaccine... 


    The Secret Group of Scientists and Billionaires Pushing a Manhattan Project for Covid-19 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-secret-group-of-scientists-and-billionaires-pushing-trump-on-a-covid-19-plan-11587998993
    33? That doctor doesn't look a day over 55.
  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 767
    An overview of the range of vaccines in development:


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Mike D88 said:
    An overview of the range of vaccines in development:



    Some of those look promising, thanks Mike.

    I heard something that is pure gossip at this point so I'm asking if anyone knows anything verifiable about this:  I was told by someone that if a company outside the US produces a vaccine, that US big pharma wants complete control/ ownership or it won't get distributed here in the U.S.  Now PLEASE, I repeat, this is  just hearsay and I'm hoping someone hear knows the true scoop.  Thanks!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    For the most part, I'm over it with the coronavirus songs.  But this one?  Oh yeah, this one is a keeper!




    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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