The coronavirus

gimmesometruth27

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

@Spiritual_Chaos Where you there?

Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines

Officials in Sweden ordered five Stockholm bars and restaurants to close on Sunday after the establishments failed to follow social distancing guidelines.

 Sweden has taken a controversial approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic by urging people to social distance, but also allowing restaurants, schools, and businesses to stay open throughout the outbreak.

Restaurants can still provide table service, but tables have to be spaced 6 feet apart to keep up with government social distancing guidelines. According to AFP, some Stockholm bars defied those guidelines over the weekend and were forced to close because of overcrowding.

Stockholm health official Per Follin told news agency TT, that four of the five bars and restaurants that were forced to close were located in Sodermalm, a trendy and bustling neighborhood of the city.

"The main problem was overcrowding, both inside the premises and outdoors," he said, according to AFP. He said that the establishments will be closed until further notice.

Authorities announced last week that they were increasing measures to enforce social distancing guidelines and that gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

Sweden, which has a population of 10.2 million people, has so far had 18,926 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 2,274 deaths from the virus.

While Sweden has faced criticism over having far more deaths from the virus than its Nordic neighbors, the country's goal with limited restrictions is to reach herd immunity, meaning the majority of the population would become immune to COVID-19 through either having the virus or through a vaccine. At the moment, it's unknown if antibodies from the virus give full immunity or how long they last.

Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, Sweden's ambassador to the US, told NPR that despite no scientific evidence, she believes herd immunity will prove to be successful.

"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," she said. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."

Live on the opposite coast. And no. I was playing "fyra i rad" and drinking wine at a friends flat.

So, not practicing social distancing voluntarily? 
Same friend you went to lunch with or a different one?

Different one. 

I'm sure hoping you keep 6 feet away from your family if you have any.

social distancing at all costs or you are part of the problem. Am I right?

I haven't seen anyone who doesn't live in my home socially in 6 weeks.  You'll find that probably more than 90% of the people posting in this thread will say the same.

The rich part is that one of your Johan Savior Giesecke's biggest defenses of Sweden's lax regulations is the high level of Swedish compliance with voluntary recommendations.  You've even defended this "compliance", while not complying.  

But I sure hope you keep 6 feet away from everyone inside your home also right? 

I mean we have to beat this? So, you are keeping 6 feet away from your wife, brothers/sisters, children etc?

It's hard to form a response to this that doesn't violate forum rules on discussing topic and not posters.  
I think it's best to just let the monumental foolishness of this shine for all to see. 

it is amazing how when trying to have a legit discussion, even on this virus, people automatically go the hyperbole route when challenged.

23scidoo

mcgruff10 said:

@Spiritual_Chaos Where you there?

Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines

Officials in Sweden ordered five Stockholm bars and restaurants to close on Sunday after the establishments failed to follow social distancing guidelines.

 Sweden has taken a controversial approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic by urging people to social distance, but also allowing restaurants, schools, and businesses to stay open throughout the outbreak.

Restaurants can still provide table service, but tables have to be spaced 6 feet apart to keep up with government social distancing guidelines. According to AFP, some Stockholm bars defied those guidelines over the weekend and were forced to close because of overcrowding.

Stockholm health official Per Follin told news agency TT, that four of the five bars and restaurants that were forced to close were located in Sodermalm, a trendy and bustling neighborhood of the city.

"The main problem was overcrowding, both inside the premises and outdoors," he said, according to AFP. He said that the establishments will be closed until further notice.

Authorities announced last week that they were increasing measures to enforce social distancing guidelines and that gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

Sweden, which has a population of 10.2 million people, has so far had 18,926 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 2,274 deaths from the virus.

While Sweden has faced criticism over having far more deaths from the virus than its Nordic neighbors, the country's goal with limited restrictions is to reach herd immunity, meaning the majority of the population would become immune to COVID-19 through either having the virus or through a vaccine. At the moment, it's unknown if antibodies from the virus give full immunity or how long they last.

Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, Sweden's ambassador to the US, told NPR that despite no scientific evidence, she believes herd immunity will prove to be successful.

"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," she said. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."

I thought they are responsible persons..

SHZA

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

@Spiritual_Chaos Where you there?

Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines

Officials in Sweden ordered five Stockholm bars and restaurants to close on Sunday after the establishments failed to follow social distancing guidelines.

 Sweden has taken a controversial approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic by urging people to social distance, but also allowing restaurants, schools, and businesses to stay open throughout the outbreak.

Restaurants can still provide table service, but tables have to be spaced 6 feet apart to keep up with government social distancing guidelines. According to AFP, some Stockholm bars defied those guidelines over the weekend and were forced to close because of overcrowding.

Stockholm health official Per Follin told news agency TT, that four of the five bars and restaurants that were forced to close were located in Sodermalm, a trendy and bustling neighborhood of the city.

"The main problem was overcrowding, both inside the premises and outdoors," he said, according to AFP. He said that the establishments will be closed until further notice.

Authorities announced last week that they were increasing measures to enforce social distancing guidelines and that gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

Sweden, which has a population of 10.2 million people, has so far had 18,926 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 2,274 deaths from the virus.

While Sweden has faced criticism over having far more deaths from the virus than its Nordic neighbors, the country's goal with limited restrictions is to reach herd immunity, meaning the majority of the population would become immune to COVID-19 through either having the virus or through a vaccine. At the moment, it's unknown if antibodies from the virus give full immunity or how long they last.

Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, Sweden's ambassador to the US, told NPR that despite no scientific evidence, she believes herd immunity will prove to be successful.

"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," she said. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."

Live on the opposite coast. And no. I was playing "fyra i rad" and drinking wine at a friends flat.

So, not practicing social distancing voluntarily? 
Same friend you went to lunch with or a different one?

Different one. 

I'm sure hoping you keep 6 feet away from your family if you have any.

social distancing at all costs or you are part of the problem. Am I right?

I haven't seen anyone who doesn't live in my home socially in 6 weeks.  You'll find that probably more than 90% of the people posting in this thread will say the same.

The rich part is that one of your Johan Savior Giesecke's biggest defenses of Sweden's lax regulations is the high level of Swedish compliance with voluntary recommendations.  You've even defended this "compliance", while not complying.  

But I sure hope you keep 6 feet away from everyone inside your home also right? 

I mean we have to beat this? So, you are keeping 6 feet away from your wife, brothers/sisters, children etc?

I've not seen a mandate or suggestion anywhere to maintain distance from those in your household. 

josevolution

mfc2006 said:

benjs said:

This had me crying within 30 seconds of reading. May this hero rest in peace.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/nyregion/new-york-city-doctor-suicide-coronavirus.html

So sad. Sadly, I think we may see more of this. May she rest in peace.

Yes terrible tragedy , in Italy a couple of nurses did the same so they wouldn’t infect anyone else..

gimmesometruth27

josevolution said:

mfc2006 said:

benjs said:

This had me crying within 30 seconds of reading. May this hero rest in peace.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/nyregion/new-york-city-doctor-suicide-coronavirus.html

So sad. Sadly, I think we may see more of this. May she rest in peace.

Yes terrible tragedy , in Italy a couple of nurses did the same so they wouldn’t infect anyone else..

just so sad.

Spiritual_Chaos

SHZA said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

@Spiritual_Chaos Where you there?

Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines

Officials in Sweden ordered five Stockholm bars and restaurants to close on Sunday after the establishments failed to follow social distancing guidelines.

 Sweden has taken a controversial approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic by urging people to social distance, but also allowing restaurants, schools, and businesses to stay open throughout the outbreak.

Restaurants can still provide table service, but tables have to be spaced 6 feet apart to keep up with government social distancing guidelines. According to AFP, some Stockholm bars defied those guidelines over the weekend and were forced to close because of overcrowding.

Stockholm health official Per Follin told news agency TT, that four of the five bars and restaurants that were forced to close were located in Sodermalm, a trendy and bustling neighborhood of the city.

"The main problem was overcrowding, both inside the premises and outdoors," he said, according to AFP. He said that the establishments will be closed until further notice.

Authorities announced last week that they were increasing measures to enforce social distancing guidelines and that gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

Sweden, which has a population of 10.2 million people, has so far had 18,926 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 2,274 deaths from the virus.

While Sweden has faced criticism over having far more deaths from the virus than its Nordic neighbors, the country's goal with limited restrictions is to reach herd immunity, meaning the majority of the population would become immune to COVID-19 through either having the virus or through a vaccine. At the moment, it's unknown if antibodies from the virus give full immunity or how long they last.

Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, Sweden's ambassador to the US, told NPR that despite no scientific evidence, she believes herd immunity will prove to be successful.

"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," she said. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."

Live on the opposite coast. And no. I was playing "fyra i rad" and drinking wine at a friends flat.

So, not practicing social distancing voluntarily? 
Same friend you went to lunch with or a different one?

Different one. 

I'm sure hoping you keep 6 feet away from your family if you have any.

social distancing at all costs or you are part of the problem. Am I right?

I haven't seen anyone who doesn't live in my home socially in 6 weeks.  You'll find that probably more than 90% of the people posting in this thread will say the same.

The rich part is that one of your Johan Savior Giesecke's biggest defenses of Sweden's lax regulations is the high level of Swedish compliance with voluntary recommendations.  You've even defended this "compliance", while not complying.  

But I sure hope you keep 6 feet away from everyone inside your home also right? 

I mean we have to beat this? So, you are keeping 6 feet away from your wife, brothers/sisters, children etc?

I've not seen a mandate or suggestion anywhere to maintain distance from those in your household. 

Have you seen anyone say you are allowed to visit a restaurant or a bar?

bbiggs

JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Now the CDC says social distancing guidelines apply to household pets?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-social-distancing-guidelines-apply-to-pets-cdc-says/ar-BB13i8PF?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

We've already pretty much been doing this without trying. Our dog is in the house with us all-day and then on walks is kept at a distance from other people while we keep ourselves at a distance. Our friendly Lab is not a fan but it's all part of the new routine.

Same here regarding distancing on walks.  We unexpectedly had to take our dog to the vet on Friday for an emergency surgery.  When he came home on Saturday, naturally he is going to be near us, as we want him to be.  Being that he was exposed to other people at the animal hospital, this article suggests we should avoid petting him, having him lick, sleep near us, etc.  This is one of those cases where I'm going to have to push guidelines aside and hope for the best.

In your situation I would almost certainly do the same. Hope your pup is OK!

Thanks, bud.

Spiritual_Chaos

23scidoo said:

mcgruff10 said:

@Spiritual_Chaos Where you there?

Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines

Officials in Sweden ordered five Stockholm bars and restaurants to close on Sunday after the establishments failed to follow social distancing guidelines.

 Sweden has taken a controversial approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic by urging people to social distance, but also allowing restaurants, schools, and businesses to stay open throughout the outbreak.

Restaurants can still provide table service, but tables have to be spaced 6 feet apart to keep up with government social distancing guidelines. According to AFP, some Stockholm bars defied those guidelines over the weekend and were forced to close because of overcrowding.

Stockholm health official Per Follin told news agency TT, that four of the five bars and restaurants that were forced to close were located in Sodermalm, a trendy and bustling neighborhood of the city.

"The main problem was overcrowding, both inside the premises and outdoors," he said, according to AFP. He said that the establishments will be closed until further notice.

Authorities announced last week that they were increasing measures to enforce social distancing guidelines and that gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

Sweden, which has a population of 10.2 million people, has so far had 18,926 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 2,274 deaths from the virus.

While Sweden has faced criticism over having far more deaths from the virus than its Nordic neighbors, the country's goal with limited restrictions is to reach herd immunity, meaning the majority of the population would become immune to COVID-19 through either having the virus or through a vaccine. At the moment, it's unknown if antibodies from the virus give full immunity or how long they last.

Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, Sweden's ambassador to the US, told NPR that despite no scientific evidence, she believes herd immunity will prove to be successful.

"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," she said. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."

I thought they are responsible persons..

Reread for the amount of places that had to close and get a new inspection before opening up again - in this all new scenario everyone is under. Including restaurants. I have no problems with resturants not living up to the regulations close. 

Would responsible persons Greece have had more or less resturants close under the same circumstances? 

23scidoo

Spiritual_Chaos said:

23scidoo said:

mcgruff10 said:

@Spiritual_Chaos Where you there?

Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines

Officials in Sweden ordered five Stockholm bars and restaurants to close on Sunday after the establishments failed to follow social distancing guidelines.

 Sweden has taken a controversial approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic by urging people to social distance, but also allowing restaurants, schools, and businesses to stay open throughout the outbreak.

Restaurants can still provide table service, but tables have to be spaced 6 feet apart to keep up with government social distancing guidelines. According to AFP, some Stockholm bars defied those guidelines over the weekend and were forced to close because of overcrowding.

Stockholm health official Per Follin told news agency TT, that four of the five bars and restaurants that were forced to close were located in Sodermalm, a trendy and bustling neighborhood of the city.

"The main problem was overcrowding, both inside the premises and outdoors," he said, according to AFP. He said that the establishments will be closed until further notice.

Authorities announced last week that they were increasing measures to enforce social distancing guidelines and that gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

Sweden, which has a population of 10.2 million people, has so far had 18,926 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 2,274 deaths from the virus.

While Sweden has faced criticism over having far more deaths from the virus than its Nordic neighbors, the country's goal with limited restrictions is to reach herd immunity, meaning the majority of the population would become immune to COVID-19 through either having the virus or through a vaccine. At the moment, it's unknown if antibodies from the virus give full immunity or how long they last.

Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, Sweden's ambassador to the US, told NPR that despite no scientific evidence, she believes herd immunity will prove to be successful.

"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," she said. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."

I thought they are responsible persons..

Reread for the amount of places that had to close and get a new inspection before opening up again - in this all new scenario everyone is under. Including restaurants. 

Would responsible persons Greece have had more or less resturants close under the same circumstances? 

Will check my country from next Monday..so far we are good..
and we are not the most responsible people in Europe, you know that  

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1254847715759910913?s=20

FiveBelow

Anyone catch the BlueDot piece on 60 Minutes the other night? Very informative on how they were tracking the virus independently using flight and cell phone data. Seems to me the only way to prevent a full blown pandemic is to close all domestic and international travel as soon as the warning signs appear, even then it could already be too late. This thing was all over in the beginning of January.

mfc2006

JW269453 said:

Anyone catch the BlueDot piece on 60 Minutes the other night? Very informative on how they were tracking the virus independently using flight and cell phone data. Seems to me the only way to prevent a full blown pandemic is to close all domestic and international travel as soon as the warning signs appear, even then it could already be too late. This thing was all over in the beginning of January.

My sister & her family had flights booked for a vacation in September, Yesterday, the airline changed it from a 4hr flight to a 9hr flight to reduce the amount of passengers on the plane. The airline canceled the flight this morning. 

rgambs

I've seen a bunch of discussions on Facebook about vacations...there are a ton of people still planning to fly this summer and fall.  I think they are crazy.
On the other side, some people are saying any travel at all is irresponsible.  
We will be taking a few vacations this year, but we won't be using any shared facilities/equipment besides gas pumps, and we will use gloves for that.
I won't see my mother in 2020 because we aren't flying across the country until this settles down.

mfc2006

rgambs said:

I've seen a bunch of discussions on Facebook about vacations...there are a ton of people still planning to fly this summer and fall.  I think they are crazy.
On the other side, some people are saying any travel at all is irresponsible.  
We will be taking a few vacations this year, but we won't be using any shared facilities/equipment besides gas pumps, and we will use gloves for that.
I won't see my mother in 2020 because we aren't flying across the country until this settles down.

Yeah, we had plans to go to NY/NJ to see my family---primarily my aunt that hasn't been doing well for some time. We're now looking at a possible roadtrip to NY, but that also seems irresponsible & reckless to me right now. We may just end up waiting until next year for that trip, unfortunately.

rgambs

mfc2006 said:

rgambs said:

I've seen a bunch of discussions on Facebook about vacations...there are a ton of people still planning to fly this summer and fall.  I think they are crazy.
On the other side, some people are saying any travel at all is irresponsible.  
We will be taking a few vacations this year, but we won't be using any shared facilities/equipment besides gas pumps, and we will use gloves for that.
I won't see my mother in 2020 because we aren't flying across the country until this settles down.

Yeah, we had plans to go to NY/NJ to see my family---primarily my aunt that hasn't been doing well for some time. We're now looking at a possible roadtrip to NY, but that also seems irresponsible & reckless to me right now. We may just end up waiting until next year for that trip, unfortunately.

Yeah I won't be going into any cities for the foreseeable future 😬😬😷😷😷

mcgruff10

mfc2006 said:

rgambs said:

I've seen a bunch of discussions on Facebook about vacations...there are a ton of people still planning to fly this summer and fall.  I think they are crazy.
On the other side, some people are saying any travel at all is irresponsible.  
We will be taking a few vacations this year, but we won't be using any shared facilities/equipment besides gas pumps, and we will use gloves for that.
I won't see my mother in 2020 because we aren't flying across the country until this settles down.

Yeah, we had plans to go to NY/NJ to see my family---primarily my aunt that hasn't been doing well for some time. We're now looking at a possible roadtrip to NY, but that also seems irresponsible & reckless to me right now. We may just end up waiting until next year for that trip, unfortunately.

Matt,
Where in NJ?

SHZA

Spiritual_Chaos said:

SHZA said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

@Spiritual_Chaos Where you there?

Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines

Officials in Sweden ordered five Stockholm bars and restaurants to close on Sunday after the establishments failed to follow social distancing guidelines.

 Sweden has taken a controversial approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic by urging people to social distance, but also allowing restaurants, schools, and businesses to stay open throughout the outbreak.

Restaurants can still provide table service, but tables have to be spaced 6 feet apart to keep up with government social distancing guidelines. According to AFP, some Stockholm bars defied those guidelines over the weekend and were forced to close because of overcrowding.

Stockholm health official Per Follin told news agency TT, that four of the five bars and restaurants that were forced to close were located in Sodermalm, a trendy and bustling neighborhood of the city.

"The main problem was overcrowding, both inside the premises and outdoors," he said, according to AFP. He said that the establishments will be closed until further notice.

Authorities announced last week that they were increasing measures to enforce social distancing guidelines and that gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

Sweden, which has a population of 10.2 million people, has so far had 18,926 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 2,274 deaths from the virus.

While Sweden has faced criticism over having far more deaths from the virus than its Nordic neighbors, the country's goal with limited restrictions is to reach herd immunity, meaning the majority of the population would become immune to COVID-19 through either having the virus or through a vaccine. At the moment, it's unknown if antibodies from the virus give full immunity or how long they last.

Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, Sweden's ambassador to the US, told NPR that despite no scientific evidence, she believes herd immunity will prove to be successful.

"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," she said. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."

Live on the opposite coast. And no. I was playing "fyra i rad" and drinking wine at a friends flat.

So, not practicing social distancing voluntarily? 
Same friend you went to lunch with or a different one?

Different one. 

I'm sure hoping you keep 6 feet away from your family if you have any.

social distancing at all costs or you are part of the problem. Am I right?

I haven't seen anyone who doesn't live in my home socially in 6 weeks.  You'll find that probably more than 90% of the people posting in this thread will say the same.

The rich part is that one of your Johan Savior Giesecke's biggest defenses of Sweden's lax regulations is the high level of Swedish compliance with voluntary recommendations.  You've even defended this "compliance", while not complying.  

But I sure hope you keep 6 feet away from everyone inside your home also right? 

I mean we have to beat this? So, you are keeping 6 feet away from your wife, brothers/sisters, children etc?

I've not seen a mandate or suggestion anywhere to maintain distance from those in your household. 

Have you seen anyone say you are allowed to visit a restaurant or a bar?

Certainly not in the US

Spiritual_Chaos

SHZA said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

SHZA said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

@Spiritual_Chaos Where you there?

Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines

Officials in Sweden ordered five Stockholm bars and restaurants to close on Sunday after the establishments failed to follow social distancing guidelines.

 Sweden has taken a controversial approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic by urging people to social distance, but also allowing restaurants, schools, and businesses to stay open throughout the outbreak.

Restaurants can still provide table service, but tables have to be spaced 6 feet apart to keep up with government social distancing guidelines. According to AFP, some Stockholm bars defied those guidelines over the weekend and were forced to close because of overcrowding.

Stockholm health official Per Follin told news agency TT, that four of the five bars and restaurants that were forced to close were located in Sodermalm, a trendy and bustling neighborhood of the city.

"The main problem was overcrowding, both inside the premises and outdoors," he said, according to AFP. He said that the establishments will be closed until further notice.

Authorities announced last week that they were increasing measures to enforce social distancing guidelines and that gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

Sweden, which has a population of 10.2 million people, has so far had 18,926 confirmed COVID-19 cases, and 2,274 deaths from the virus.

While Sweden has faced criticism over having far more deaths from the virus than its Nordic neighbors, the country's goal with limited restrictions is to reach herd immunity, meaning the majority of the population would become immune to COVID-19 through either having the virus or through a vaccine. At the moment, it's unknown if antibodies from the virus give full immunity or how long they last.

Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, Sweden's ambassador to the US, told NPR that despite no scientific evidence, she believes herd immunity will prove to be successful.

"About 30% of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity," she said. "We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month."

Live on the opposite coast. And no. I was playing "fyra i rad" and drinking wine at a friends flat.

So, not practicing social distancing voluntarily? 
Same friend you went to lunch with or a different one?

Different one. 

I'm sure hoping you keep 6 feet away from your family if you have any.

social distancing at all costs or you are part of the problem. Am I right?

I haven't seen anyone who doesn't live in my home socially in 6 weeks.  You'll find that probably more than 90% of the people posting in this thread will say the same.

The rich part is that one of your Johan Savior Giesecke's biggest defenses of Sweden's lax regulations is the high level of Swedish compliance with voluntary recommendations.  You've even defended this "compliance", while not complying.  

But I sure hope you keep 6 feet away from everyone inside your home also right? 

I mean we have to beat this? So, you are keeping 6 feet away from your wife, brothers/sisters, children etc?

I've not seen a mandate or suggestion anywhere to maintain distance from those in your household. 

Have you seen anyone say you are allowed to visit a restaurant or a bar?

Certainly not in the US

But here's my secret Cap,


I don't live in the US.

josevolution

mfc2006 said:

JW269453 said:

Anyone catch the BlueDot piece on 60 Minutes the other night? Very informative on how they were tracking the virus independently using flight and cell phone data. Seems to me the only way to prevent a full blown pandemic is to close all domestic and international travel as soon as the warning signs appear, even then it could already be too late. This thing was all over in the beginning of January.

My sister & her family had flights booked for a vacation in September, Yesterday, the airline changed it from a 4hr flight to a 9hr flight to reduce the amount of passengers on the plane. The airline canceled the flight this morning. 

Yeah I just wanna spend some quality time with my parents they are only 45 minutes from me and I can’t and that blows! 

mrussel1

josevolution said:

mfc2006 said:

JW269453 said:

Anyone catch the BlueDot piece on 60 Minutes the other night? Very informative on how they were tracking the virus independently using flight and cell phone data. Seems to me the only way to prevent a full blown pandemic is to close all domestic and international travel as soon as the warning signs appear, even then it could already be too late. This thing was all over in the beginning of January.

My sister & her family had flights booked for a vacation in September, Yesterday, the airline changed it from a 4hr flight to a 9hr flight to reduce the amount of passengers on the plane. The airline canceled the flight this morning. 

Yeah I just wanna spend some quality time with my parents they are only 45 minutes from me and I can’t and that blows! 

My mom is in a nursing home.  They are completely sequestered to their rooms.  It's terrible but necessary.