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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited April 2020
    bootlegger10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    No one has any problems criticizing Sweden with a broad brush, but never themselves because then "everything is different and unique" 

    Have you ever thought about that? Haha.

    I wasn't criticizing Sweden with my comment.   I compare a state like Indiana with 800 deaths to Sweden with 2,100.  Indiana shutdown for the last four weeks and Sweden stayed open.  I would have expected a lot more deaths in Sweden or a lot less in Indiana comparatively.  Why was there a difference?    

    Wasn't talking about you, I mean you did even write: " I think at the end of the day there is no one size fits all way of handling this virus as each country is unique. "

    Sweden has a high death rate -- higher than some countries that has locked down, lower than some that has locked down.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited April 2020
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    What do you mean by Sweden shutting their borders? As in they have done it, or as in that they can do it?

    You do know that the virus was embedded in the Stockholm region and we gave up on testing?

    You do know that the most affected areas in Stockholm -- are "immigrant communities" in the outer suburbs?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    What do you mean by Sweden shutting their borders? As in they have done it, or as in that they can do it?

    You do know that the virus was embedded in the Stockholm region and we gave up on testing?

    You do know that the most affected areas in Stockholm -- are "immigrant communities" in the outer suburbs?
    I thought that the EU - the 26 Schengen Area Countries closed its borders? Perhaps Sweden did not but my point is most of Europe has limited travel. I am in a NY suburb and not sure how shut down we are. I was on a single lane main road yesterday, in between towns, not in a Main Street area, and had to wait 15 cars to pass in order to make a left turn. The waiting was sweet, almost like the good old days. And I got really excited because I realized I might not even get to turn during the entire green light cycle!
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,879
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    The Netherlands is a little bigger than Sweden at 17 million and has about 4500 fatalities. California is the world wide covid rock star. They had the earliest cases, huge population and “only” 1700 fatalities.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    The Netherlands is a little bigger than Sweden at 17 million and has about 4500 fatalities. California is the world wide covid rock star. They had the earliest cases, huge population and “only” 1700 fatalities.
    What is the excess death rate for California for this spring?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    Understand. We will have to see where things stand when the countries re-open.  Do Norway and Finland catch up?   Hope not but will see.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    Stop putting Denmark down.

    They are doing better also.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2020
    Canada's Dr. Tam doesn't support the "herd immunity" mentality that Sweden supports, adding that children can get sick and ought not be sacrificed for the more vulnerable. That is, if antibodies are to be proven to fight off reinfections from survivors. 

    On that note, CBC news suggested that making passports for those people who have the antibodies could be a requirement for people to re-enter society and, for example, a stadium.

    Then, bands would perform then only to the 'fittest' members of society. Hmm.., McCready wouldn't be allowed on stage should he avoid exposure.


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  • what dreams
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    SHZA said:
    what dreams said:
    Mike D88 said:
    Sorry, I was replying to what dreams and should have quoted.
    I love the part about the Jefferson hospital in Philadelphia where 12 patients have stroked and 40% of them are young. That's 4.8 people. How does that happen, 8 tenths of a person has a stroke? 

    Gee, maybe it's 5.0 people and they rounded to 40% instead of using 41.6666666666666666667%? 
    Or the doctor could have just said 5 people . . . But that's just not as ALARMING as 40%
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited April 2020
    23scidoo said:

    People dying NOW..



    Finland's handling of the corona virus has been significantly more stringent than Sweden's - leading to a more prolonged pandemic, says the country's health security manager Mika Salminen.
    Salminen believes that the peak of infection is coming in the fall and believes it is the negative side of the country's restrictions.
    - When the restrictions were introduced, we couldn't know for sure how the epidemic would develop. Now it may have slowed down more than we had planned he tells MTV Uutiset reports SVT.

    Looks to me like Finland doesn't think enough "People dying NOW"
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,968
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    23scidoo said:

    People dying NOW..



    Finland's handling of the corona virus has been significantly more stringent than Sweden's - leading to a more prolonged pandemic, says the country's health security manager Mika Salminen.
    Salminen believes that the peak of infection is coming in the fall and believes it is the negative side of the country's restrictions.
    - When the restrictions were introduced, we couldn't know for sure how the epidemic would develop. Now it may have slowed down more than we had planned he tells MTV Uutiset reports SVT.

    Looks to me like Finland doesn't Think enough "People dying NOW"

    What monsters. No wonder Pearl Jam never plays there.
    I'm afraid to think about what would have happened in my country if we had followed another policy..
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    23scidoo said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    23scidoo said:

    People dying NOW..



    Finland's handling of the corona virus has been significantly more stringent than Sweden's - leading to a more prolonged pandemic, says the country's health security manager Mika Salminen.
    Salminen believes that the peak of infection is coming in the fall and believes it is the negative side of the country's restrictions.
    - When the restrictions were introduced, we couldn't know for sure how the epidemic would develop. Now it may have slowed down more than we had planned he tells MTV Uutiset reports SVT.

    Looks to me like Finland doesn't Think enough "People dying NOW"

    What monsters. No wonder Pearl Jam never plays there.
    I'm afraid to think about what would have happened in my country if we had followed another policy..
    ΝΟW..
    Come back in a year.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,968
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    23scidoo said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    23scidoo said:

    People dying NOW..



    Finland's handling of the corona virus has been significantly more stringent than Sweden's - leading to a more prolonged pandemic, says the country's health security manager Mika Salminen.
    Salminen believes that the peak of infection is coming in the fall and believes it is the negative side of the country's restrictions.
    - When the restrictions were introduced, we couldn't know for sure how the epidemic would develop. Now it may have slowed down more than we had planned he tells MTV Uutiset reports SVT.

    Looks to me like Finland doesn't Think enough "People dying NOW"

    What monsters. No wonder Pearl Jam never plays there.
    I'm afraid to think about what would have happened in my country if we had followed another policy..
    ΝΟW..
    Come back in a year.
    Hope you and yours are safe..today..not in the year..
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    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    The Netherlands is a little bigger than Sweden at 17 million and has about 4500 fatalities. California is the world wide covid rock star. They had the earliest cases, huge population and “only” 1700 fatalities.
    What is the excess death rate for California for this spring?
    I see you've latched onto the Fake News, Fake Hospital reporting bullshit.  Hmmm...Google says, based on your previous searches you might enjoy foxnews.com.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,377
    Interesting article.  How long before 4Chan and Q pick this up and run with it?
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/tech/coronavirus-conspiracy-theory/index.html
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    The Netherlands is a little bigger than Sweden at 17 million and has about 4500 fatalities. California is the world wide covid rock star. They had the earliest cases, huge population and “only” 1700 fatalities.
    What is the excess death rate for California for this spring?
    I see you've latched onto the Fake News, Fake Hospital reporting bullshit.  Hmmm...Google says, based on your previous searches you might enjoy foxnews.com.
    Don't know what you are doing now.

    But keep it up why don't you.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,610
    C’mon folks let’s keep this thread for real time useful information on the virus! Stop attacking each other..
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