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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    The Netherlands is a little bigger than Sweden at 17 million and has about 4500 fatalities. California is the world wide covid rock star. They had the earliest cases, huge population and “only” 1700 fatalities.
    What is the excess death rate for California for this spring?
    I see you've latched onto the Fake News, Fake Hospital reporting bullshit.  Hmmm...Google says, based on your previous searches you might enjoy foxnews.com.
    Don't know what you are doing now.

    But keep it up why don't you.
    Everytime someone posts about Covid-19 deaths you are now asking... what about excess death rate...meaning you don;t believe number. Right?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    The Netherlands is a little bigger than Sweden at 17 million and has about 4500 fatalities. California is the world wide covid rock star. They had the earliest cases, huge population and “only” 1700 fatalities.
    What is the excess death rate for California for this spring?
    I see you've latched onto the Fake News, Fake Hospital reporting bullshit.  Hmmm...Google says, based on your previous searches you might enjoy foxnews.com.
    Don't know what you are doing now.

    But keep it up why don't you.
    Everytime someone posts about Covid-19 deaths you are now asking... what about excess death rate...meaning you don;t believe number. Right?
    "don't believe number" - what?

    There being a lot of cases out there in the world not covered in the numbers out of e.g. hospitals?  

    Don't see where the fake news/fake hospital/fox news angle comes from regarding that.

    But please, elaborate.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Half of NJ (hyperbole, I know) works in NYC, or has neighbors who do... the most highly concentrated zone for this shit.
    If Sweden were right next door they would feel the brunt of that as well.



    Being the most densely populated state doesn't help us either.  Sweden and nj are in the same ballpark with respect to population but Sweden is approx 23 times bigger than NJ.  


    I should have read the entire page first. We really need to stop looking at Sweden. They are an isolated nation. They shut their borders and done, they are efficiently locked down and a million times safer than us.

     NJ didn’t have that option because by the time we ramped up testing, thanks trump, the virus was embedded in the NYC region.

    Sweden isn’t also part of a 25 million region with 3 international airports transporting thousands from Italy and China, with vast immigrant communities within its border
    Right.  Sweden’s plan may have been crackpot in the US but may end up in the long run the right call for Sweden.   Time will ultimately tell.   Need to see what happens on the other side when countries start re-opening.   
    Sweden isnt an island. Its 2 neighbors have a different experience and far lower numbers.
    The Netherlands is a little bigger than Sweden at 17 million and has about 4500 fatalities. California is the world wide covid rock star. They had the earliest cases, huge population and “only” 1700 fatalities.
    What is the excess death rate for California for this spring?
    I see you've latched onto the Fake News, Fake Hospital reporting bullshit.  Hmmm...Google says, based on your previous searches you might enjoy foxnews.com.
    Don't know what you are doing now.

    But keep it up why don't you.
    Everytime someone posts about Covid-19 deaths you are now asking... what about excess death rate...meaning you don;t believe number. Right?
    "don't believe number" - what?

    There being a lot of cases out there in the world not covered in the numbers out of e.g. hospitals?  

    Don't see where the fake news/fake hospital/fox news angle comes from regarding that.

    But please, elaborate.
    It seems I'm wrong.  I believed you wanting to use a different measure to try and show a reduced number of Covid-19 deaths.  My mistake, I am sorry.

    Popping in and out less frequently here it seems and got my wires crossed.  
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    Second time questions about sex shows up in the swedish press briefings. 

    "us being single - how can we date now?"
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,229
    When are people going to start believing in science again?

    The Spradlins were also counting on a power greater than a Z-Pak or an albuterol canister. Their fervent brand of charismatic Christianity held that God regularly intervened in the world to alter the course of believers’ physical ailments.

    “I don’t believe there are incurable diseases. God can heal anything,” Landon said during an interview at a 2016 motorcycle rally in Daytona Beach, Fla. “There are documented cases of God healing AIDS. God can cause limbs to grow out where they’ve been chopped off. God can raise the dead.”

    A new malady had emerged as his Mardi Gras ministry ended last month. But not everyone acknowledged its threat. Three days before leaving, Landon — an avid Trump supporter — posted a meme on his Facebook page about the coronavirus, which at the time had killed about 40 people in the United States. The media, it warned, was trying to “manipulate your life” by creating “mass hysteria.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/04/27/pastor-landon-spradlin-coronavirus-death/
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    Nate Silver makes an interesting point here



  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited April 2020
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    Hah!  That's not very far off from what Anders Tegnell and Johan Giesecke have been saying.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    I've seen several articles that express some doubt about a vaccine. Linked a couple below. The opening-back-up idea flows from that. Can't remember who I've seen say it specifically, but Google away if you're interested. 

     https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-impossible-to-produce-scientists-covid-2020-4

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51665497


  • pjl44
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    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Looks to me like a very constructed paradox to get a "smart" tweet out. Don't see what's so interesting about it..?

    And who has said "we may never get a vaccin, so we might as well open back up" ?
    Hah!  That's not very far off from what Anders Tegnell and Johan Giesecke have been saying.
    You know, that's kinda what I thought too but haven't been following all his screeds closely enough to reply that way with any confidence 
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    It’s not really a paradox.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Not much very much difference at all between
    "may never get a vaccine, can't stay closed forever, might as well open up"
    And
    "Vaccine won't come for a long time, can't be closed until it does, might as well never close"
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    You people will squabble about anything 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    pjl44 said:
    You people will squabble about anything 
    "YOU PEOPLE".. WTF man!  What's your problem?
    /s
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited April 2020
    rgambs said:
    Not much very much difference at all between
    "may never get a vaccine, can't stay closed forever, might as well open up"
    And
    "Vaccine won't come for a long time, can't be closed until it does, might as well never close"
    First part of the sentence: a gigantic difference. 

    The second part: Don't know what you bake into "closed" and "opened up" and not, so hard determine the difference.


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    You people will squabble about anything 
    "YOU PEOPLE".. WTF man!  What's your problem?
    /s

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    You people will squabble about anything 
    "YOU PEOPLE".. WTF man!  What's your problem?
    /s

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    You people will squabble about anything 
    "YOU PEOPLE".. WTF man!  What's your problem?
    /s

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Not much very much difference at all between
    "may never get a vaccine, can't stay closed forever, might as well open up"
    And
    "Vaccine won't come for a long time, can't be closed until it does, might as well never close"
    First part of the sentence: a gigantic difference. 

    The second part: Don't know what you bake into "closed" and "opened up" and not, so hard determine the difference.


    You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.  
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  • brianlux
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    pjl44 said:
    You people will squabble about anything 

    I wouldn't throw the first stone.  You and I are as guilty here as anyone else.  

    That said, you do make a good point.  And during this stressful time (at least speaking for myself- I'm highly stressed due to being at risk for COVID-19), it makes more sense for us to be informative, supportive, and empathetic here, not argumentative.  I'll try to do better that way.  I hope we all can. 
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