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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    mcgruff10 said:
    “It s just like the flu”

    How does this work? If someone has cancer and they get Covid 19 does cancer and Covid get the death rate increase or just Covid? 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    mcgruff10 said:
    “It s just like the flu”

    How much would "the flu" kill if we didn't protect the elder with vaccins?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    “It s just like the flu”

    How much would "the flu" kill if we didn't protect the elder with vaccins?
    I don’t have hard data on exact percentages, but there is a significant percentage of Americans that do not get an annual flu shot (vaccine). I know a LOT of people that don’t get it. This isnt like the anti-vaxxers either. The flu shot just isn’t one of those vaccines that everyone gets.  
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    tempo_n_groove said:
    CM189191 said:
    Morons



    Need the pepper spray treatment


    Why are only Trump supporters doing this shit?

    There is even a divide on the fucking way this virus is handled.  Dear lord man.
    You know why...
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    bbiggs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    “It s just like the flu”

    How much would "the flu" kill if we didn't protect the elder with vaccins?
    I don’t have hard data on exact percentages, but there is a significant percentage of Americans that do not get an annual flu shot (vaccine). I know a LOT of people that don’t get it. This isnt like the anti-vaxxers either. The flu shot just isn’t one of those vaccines that everyone gets.  
    No, not in Sweden either.  Just the elder. That I know of. Except when the swine flu vaccin came (or, THE MEXICAN/CALIFORNIAN FLU)

    And Giesecke says that the vaccin is a crapshoot, because you are guessing what flu version will be the problem every year.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    bbiggs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    “It s just like the flu”

    How much would "the flu" kill if we didn't protect the elder with vaccins?
    I don’t have hard data on exact percentages, but there is a significant percentage of Americans that do not get an annual flu shot (vaccine). I know a LOT of people that don’t get it. This isnt like the anti-vaxxers either. The flu shot just isn’t one of those vaccines that everyone gets.  
    No, not in Sweden either.  Just the elder. That I know of. Except when the swine flu vaccin came (or, THE MEXICAN/CALIFORNIAN FLU)

    And Giesecke says that the vaccin is a crapshoot, because you are guessing what flu version will be the problem every year.
    Exactly.  I think this is why many people don't get the annual shot.  It protects you from a handful of the flu strains, but not all of them.  I've gotten the flu shot twice I think.  Both times when my kids were born.  Maybe one other time.

  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Speaking of anti-vaxxers, I wonder what that group will do when a Covid-19 vaccine is available.  Probably bypass it.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    It may be hit-or-miss, but for people with compromised immunity (like me, and others here I'm sure), I'd rather err on the safety side and just get it for health reasons.  Same goes for other vaccs like Shingles, Tetanus, etc.

    My husband gets none of them.

    (FYI, I could be wrong, but not just the elderly die of the flu or its ensuing complications.)
  • Spunkie
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    Here is where I am at: 








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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    hedonist said:
    It may be hit-or-miss, but for people with compromised immunity (like me, and others here I'm sure), I'd rather err on the safety side and just get it for health reasons.  Same goes for other vaccs like Shingles, Tetanus, etc.

    My husband gets none of them.

    (FYI, I could be wrong, but not just the elderly die of the flu or its ensuing complications.)
    For sure.  I don't fault anyone for getting the annual flu shot.  It may not be 100%, but it is better than nothing.  I wish I had gotten a shingles vaccine.  I had the shingles and it was brutal.  I was super young, by average shingles age standards, so never would have thought of it. 

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    hedonist said:
    It may be hit-or-miss, but for people with compromised immunity (like me, and others here I'm sure), I'd rather err on the safety side and just get it for health reasons.  Same goes for other vaccs like Shingles, Tetanus, etc.

    My husband gets none of them.

    (FYI, I could be wrong, but not just the elderly die of the flu or its ensuing complications.)
    I would guess the same risk groups for Corona are also for flu complications (?) 

    But now I'm just killgissar (guyguessing)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    IL schools closed for the remainder of the 2020 school year.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    bbiggs said:
    hedonist said:
    It may be hit-or-miss, but for people with compromised immunity (like me, and others here I'm sure), I'd rather err on the safety side and just get it for health reasons.  Same goes for other vaccs like Shingles, Tetanus, etc.

    My husband gets none of them.

    (FYI, I could be wrong, but not just the elderly die of the flu or its ensuing complications.)
    For sure.  I don't fault anyone for getting the annual flu shot.  It may not be 100%, but it is better than nothing.  I wish I had gotten a shingles vaccine.  I had the shingles and it was brutal.  I was super young, by average shingles age standards, so never would have thought of it. 

    Yeah, I plan on getting that shingles vaccine before long (Im 41).  

    I had a pretty weak case of chicken pox when I was a kid, and I guess that makes me more likely to get shingles later
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited April 2020
    bbiggs said:
    IL schools closed for the remainder of the 2020 school year.
    Marginal difference when the spread already is in society. If not something clusters like hell in a specific school.

    - Johan Giesecke/Anders Tegnell

    Countries are starting to open up their schools. Sweden model reigns supreme ones again.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    MayDay10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    hedonist said:
    It may be hit-or-miss, but for people with compromised immunity (like me, and others here I'm sure), I'd rather err on the safety side and just get it for health reasons.  Same goes for other vaccs like Shingles, Tetanus, etc.

    My husband gets none of them.

    (FYI, I could be wrong, but not just the elderly die of the flu or its ensuing complications.)
    For sure.  I don't fault anyone for getting the annual flu shot.  It may not be 100%, but it is better than nothing.  I wish I had gotten a shingles vaccine.  I had the shingles and it was brutal.  I was super young, by average shingles age standards, so never would have thought of it. 

    Yeah, I plan on getting that shingles vaccine before long (Im 41).  

    I had a pretty weak case of chicken pox when I was a kid, and I guess that makes me more likely to get shingles later
    Good call.  I had a bad case of chicken pox as a kid and still got shingles when I was early-mid 30's.  It felt like burning needles dragging through my skin all day long.  Not fun.

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    edited April 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    bbiggs said:
    IL schools closed for the remainder of the 2020 school year.
    Marginal difference when the spread already is in society. If not something clusters like hell in a specific school.

    - Johan Giesecke/Anders Tegnell

    Countries are starting to open up their schools. Sweden model reigns supreme ones again.
    Not so sure about that. Deaths per million in Sweden is currently 131.99. Deaths per capita in U.S. is currently 100.56. I'm not sure what is supreme about a higher death rate. Souce: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-17

    BTW, lots of interesting graphs and visualizations here: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
    Post edited by jeffbr on
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    jeffbr said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    bbiggs said:
    IL schools closed for the remainder of the 2020 school year.
    Marginal difference when the spread already is in society. If not something clusters like hell in a specific school.

    - Johan Giesecke/Anders Tegnell

    Countries are starting to open up their schools. Sweden model reigns supreme ones again.
    Not so sure about that. Deaths per million in Sweden is currently 131.99. Deaths per capita in U.S. is currently 100.56. I'm not sure what is supreme about a higher death rate. Souce: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-17

    BTW, lots of interesting graphs and visualizations here: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
    Having schools closed or open doesn't have to factor into the difference. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    jeffbr said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    bbiggs said:
    IL schools closed for the remainder of the 2020 school year.
    Marginal difference when the spread already is in society. If not something clusters like hell in a specific school.

    - Johan Giesecke/Anders Tegnell

    Countries are starting to open up their schools. Sweden model reigns supreme ones again.
    Not so sure about that. Deaths per million in Sweden is currently 131.99. Deaths per capita in U.S. is currently 100.56. I'm not sure what is supreme about a higher death rate. Souce: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-17

    BTW, lots of interesting graphs and visualizations here: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
    Having schools closed or open doesn't have to factor into the difference. 
    How is COVID-19 spread in Sweden? I know in the U.S. and elsewhere around the world it is spread by being in proximity to others. Seems like school is a place where kids are in proximity to one another. Are they kept at school? If they go home at the end of the day are they able to turn off transmission so parents and grandparents aren't affected?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    jeffbr said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    jeffbr said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    bbiggs said:
    IL schools closed for the remainder of the 2020 school year.
    Marginal difference when the spread already is in society. If not something clusters like hell in a specific school.

    - Johan Giesecke/Anders Tegnell

    Countries are starting to open up their schools. Sweden model reigns supreme ones again.
    Not so sure about that. Deaths per million in Sweden is currently 131.99. Deaths per capita in U.S. is currently 100.56. I'm not sure what is supreme about a higher death rate. Souce: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-17

    BTW, lots of interesting graphs and visualizations here: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
    Having schools closed or open doesn't have to factor into the difference. 
    How is COVID-19 spread in Sweden? I know in the U.S. and elsewhere around the world it is spread by being in proximity to others. Seems like school is a place where kids are in proximity to one another. Are they kept at school? If they go home at the end of the day are they able to turn off transmission so parents and grandparents aren't affected?
    Yes. It's a switch. Don't know how you guys do it.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    jeffbr said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    bbiggs said:
    IL schools closed for the remainder of the 2020 school year.
    Marginal difference when the spread already is in society. If not something clusters like hell in a specific school.

    - Johan Giesecke/Anders Tegnell

    Countries are starting to open up their schools. Sweden model reigns supreme ones again.
    Not so sure about that. Deaths per million in Sweden is currently 131.99. Deaths per capita in U.S. is currently 100.56. I'm not sure what is supreme about a higher death rate. Souce: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-17

    BTW, lots of interesting graphs and visualizations here: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
    Having schools closed or open doesn't have to factor into the difference. 
    It made a big difference with the Spanish flu.   
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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