what is the mean income of a teacher in the US? all my teacher friends in winnipeg do VERY well (at least to me, obviously it's all relative), and even better if they go back to school to up their education.
Average starting salaries for teachers in the US by state.
That is not a sacrifice, at least given the states I know something about, to have a starting salary where those are shown.
I do not, in any way, take away from teachers...my point was that from what I see in our area it is not a sacrifice. They make twice (at least) what social workers that I know make.
If I look at VT, my sister has a Master's Degree and she makes now (after about 20 years in the field) about what a teacher does year 1. She works in social work but like so many social workers I know she ends up caring for people outside of business hours so that she can have any sort of bank account.
Don't want to detract from the Virus discussions. I hope they can get things back on track and find a safe way for schooling.
Our teachers are criminally underpaid. It's astonishing how little people are willing to invest in the people that spend 7 hours a day with your kids.
Not in NY. They retire to a fantastic pension in their 50s and during the Great Recession at the end of the Bush years, their raises were even better than us poor slobs we’re getting in the private sector. And their benefits are state of the art excellent.
There is something to be said about 30 years of trying to get govt spending into a bathtub. Those voters in red leaning states got what they voted for.
What's the average salary vs a private sector worker with a bachelor's or higher? That's the bar im using. When a person chooses a major, choosing education is a sacrifice in my view.
It's not a sacrifice, it's just a choice.
I consider it an act for the public good, considering most other degreed jobs pay more and have higher financial upside.
Definitely not social workers or counselors, which I believe are equally important to society. Teachers actually make decent $ in Texas, but social workers get the shaft.
Important, but I won't quibble over equal/more, etc. It's just astounding to me that we entrust teachers with so many hours per day with our children, but cheap out on the pay side.
I was really just directing this at TX, where teachers are payed pretty well(especially in regards to the average cost of living), but social workers are payed shit. Just a general complaint Carry on . To stay on topic, I cannot imagine being a teacher or counselor right now. During this pandemic chaos, realm are in need of so major incentives to keep the good ones on board.
This is strange. Some articles talk about Disneyland being open but their site says the park is closed but the downtown Disney district (whatever the heck that is) is open. Confusing.
This is strange. Some articles talk about Disneyland being open but their site says the park is closed but the downtown Disney district (whatever the heck that is) is open. Confusing.
what is the mean income of a teacher in the US? all my teacher friends in winnipeg do VERY well (at least to me, obviously it's all relative), and even better if they go back to school to up their education.
Not many states would people consider new teachers doing very well here. I say new because most states had retirements cut in or around 2008, teachers getting ready to retire now are much better off than teachers just starting out will have it. Inwas born and raised California, after teaching there for 5 years, even though they are high on the list of teacher salaries, it didn’t match the cost of living. A 1600 square foot house can close $800,000 or more in LA. You can’t afford that on 60k.
I moved to Colorado Springs 8 years ago. I took a big pay cut but the housing was affordable at the time. I didn’t realize health benefits sucked for teachers, something I hadn’t even considered because it wasn’t an issue before. Colorado was beginning a teacher shortage, and to attract new teachers they kept raising the minimum salary while giving veteran teachers a pay freeze. It got to the point where a 1st year teacher was making 40k, but you only recovered $100 raise each year for the first 6 years. Then about $200 after that. A teacher with 12 years of experience was only making about $54k. A teacher getting ready to retire was maybe maybe about 65k.
I got tired of that so I moved an hour north to Denver 1 year ago. Housing is about double, but salaries are better too, it was about a 20k raise but I’m paying more than double the mortgage of a similar house. For the first time in 13 years of teaching I wasn’t struggling financially. But I was told 2 weeks ago I’m getting about a 10k pay cut. So that was short lived. Some may say they were hit harder than that, and I know many were. But when a modest house costs about $450k and you’re making 75k, to be told to expect a 10k reduction to pay is pretty significant.
This is strange. Some articles talk about Disneyland being open but their site says the park is closed but the downtown Disney district (whatever the heck that is) is open. Confusing.
what is the mean income of a teacher in the US? all my teacher friends in winnipeg do VERY well (at least to me, obviously it's all relative), and even better if they go back to school to up their education.
Not many states would people consider new teachers doing very well here. I say new because most states had retirements cut in or around 2008, teachers getting ready to retire now are much better off than teachers just starting out will have it. Inwas born and raised California, after teaching there for 5 years, even though they are high on the list of teacher salaries, it didn’t match the cost of living. A 1600 square foot house can close $800,000 or more in LA. You can’t afford that on 60k.
I moved to Colorado Springs 8 years ago. I took a big pay cut but the housing was affordable at the time. I didn’t realize health benefits sucked for teachers, something I hadn’t even considered because it wasn’t an issue before. Colorado was beginning a teacher shortage, and to attract new teachers they kept raising the minimum salary while giving veteran teachers a pay freeze. It got to the point where a 1st year teacher was making 40k, but you only recovered $100 raise each year for the first 6 years. Then about $200 after that. A teacher with 12 years of experience was only making about $54k. A teacher getting ready to retire was maybe maybe about 65k.
I got tired of that so I moved an hour north to Denver 1 year ago. Housing is about double, but salaries are better too, it was about a 20k raise but I’m paying more than double the mortgage of a similar house. For the first time in 13 years of teaching I wasn’t struggling financially. But I was told 2 weeks ago I’m getting about a 10k pay cut. So that was short lived. Some may say they were hit harder than that, and I know many were. But when a modest house costs about $450k and you’re making 75k, to be told to expect a 10k reduction to pay is pretty significant.
That is NY prices right there, only we get taxed even more. If you don't have 2 incomes totaling 150k or more you aren't owning a house right now.
what is the mean income of a teacher in the US? all my teacher friends in winnipeg do VERY well (at least to me, obviously it's all relative), and even better if they go back to school to up their education.
Not many states would people consider new teachers doing very well here. I say new because most states had retirements cut in or around 2008, teachers getting ready to retire now are much better off than teachers just starting out will have it. Inwas born and raised California, after teaching there for 5 years, even though they are high on the list of teacher salaries, it didn’t match the cost of living. A 1600 square foot house can close $800,000 or more in LA. You can’t afford that on 60k.
I moved to Colorado Springs 8 years ago. I took a big pay cut but the housing was affordable at the time. I didn’t realize health benefits sucked for teachers, something I hadn’t even considered because it wasn’t an issue before. Colorado was beginning a teacher shortage, and to attract new teachers they kept raising the minimum salary while giving veteran teachers a pay freeze. It got to the point where a 1st year teacher was making 40k, but you only recovered $100 raise each year for the first 6 years. Then about $200 after that. A teacher with 12 years of experience was only making about $54k. A teacher getting ready to retire was maybe maybe about 65k.
I got tired of that so I moved an hour north to Denver 1 year ago. Housing is about double, but salaries are better too, it was about a 20k raise but I’m paying more than double the mortgage of a similar house. For the first time in 13 years of teaching I wasn’t struggling financially. But I was told 2 weeks ago I’m getting about a 10k pay cut. So that was short lived. Some may say they were hit harder than that, and I know many were. But when a modest house costs about $450k and you’re making 75k, to be told to expect a 10k reduction to pay is pretty significant.
Like I said, I don't want to debate social workers vs teachers. For me, teachers hit closer to home because I have three kids. And what you're pointing out is the bullshit I mean, regarding how important teachers are, and that the salary doesn't match that. It prevents the best and the brightest from being teachers, I believe.
Do current teachers ever get insulted when they hear the argument that we should bump salaries to attract better candidates? Isn't the implication "hey, I'm sure you're doing the best you can, but we really need to have better people in the classroom"?
Do current teachers ever get insulted when they hear the argument that we should bump salaries to attract better candidates? Isn't the implication "hey, I'm sure you're doing the best you can, but we really need to have better people in the classroom"?
They should not, at least when I say it. I think the people who choose the profession today are making sub-optimal financial decisions. I applaud them. There are certainly some in the profession that should not be teachers. We've all seen good teachers and bad ones. Making pay more competitive is bound to create a more attractive environment and thereby increase the overall quality of the candidates to be teachers. As a libertarian, I'm sure you're pro competition and therefore should understand this argument.
Do current teachers ever get insulted when they hear the argument that we should bump salaries to attract better candidates? Isn't the implication "hey, I'm sure you're doing the best you can, but we really need to have better people in the classroom"?
They should not, at least when I say it. I think the people who choose the profession today are making sub-optimal financial decisions. I applaud them. There are certainly some in the profession that should not be teachers. We've all seen good teachers and bad ones. Making pay more competitive is bound to create a more attractive environment and thereby increase the overall quality of the candidates to be teachers. As a libertarian, I'm sure you're pro competition and therefore should understand this argument.
I think there's a ceiling and diminishing returns. I don't believe the quality of educator would be 50% better if you paid 50% more. I have a lot of friends who are teachers...a lot of phys ed and some traditional classroom. They seem to be good at what they do and make a good living.
None of them chose the career path with some sort of societal sacrifice in mind. Most just liked everything that comes with that particular job.
what is the mean income of a teacher in the US? all my teacher friends in winnipeg do VERY well (at least to me, obviously it's all relative), and even better if they go back to school to up their education.
Not many states would people consider new teachers doing very well here. I say new because most states had retirements cut in or around 2008, teachers getting ready to retire now are much better off than teachers just starting out will have it. Inwas born and raised California, after teaching there for 5 years, even though they are high on the list of teacher salaries, it didn’t match the cost of living. A 1600 square foot house can close $800,000 or more in LA. You can’t afford that on 60k.
I moved to Colorado Springs 8 years ago. I took a big pay cut but the housing was affordable at the time. I didn’t realize health benefits sucked for teachers, something I hadn’t even considered because it wasn’t an issue before. Colorado was beginning a teacher shortage, and to attract new teachers they kept raising the minimum salary while giving veteran teachers a pay freeze. It got to the point where a 1st year teacher was making 40k, but you only recovered $100 raise each year for the first 6 years. Then about $200 after that. A teacher with 12 years of experience was only making about $54k. A teacher getting ready to retire was maybe maybe about 65k.
I got tired of that so I moved an hour north to Denver 1 year ago. Housing is about double, but salaries are better too, it was about a 20k raise but I’m paying more than double the mortgage of a similar house. For the first time in 13 years of teaching I wasn’t struggling financially. But I was told 2 weeks ago I’m getting about a 10k pay cut. So that was short lived. Some may say they were hit harder than that, and I know many were. But when a modest house costs about $450k and you’re making 75k, to be told to expect a 10k reduction to pay is pretty significant.
I lived in the LA/OC area for 20 years.
Made a very good living -- I could not afford a house.
That is not a reasonable standard to judge by, when I made what I did and also could not get a house in a neighborhood I would live in.
Most people don't have $200k in the bank for a down-payment and closing fees and whatnot, at least most people who have not built up equity with previous home purchase(s).
Moved to South Jersey and then I had the option to buy a house in all sorts of ranges that were affordable.
I am sorry that they are cutting your pay -- as posted before what I am losing from the impact of this virus is way more but the bottom line to us both is the same & I feel your pain...we are losing out because of the impacts of this damn virus and the way that most of the mouth breathers in this damn country and dealing with it.
Wow hot topic! If you count the tail, how many legs does a dog have?
Don't you have some mindless propaganda to post?
Nope i guess mindless people like you cant even smile or think anything through.
This was an insight check. And you already failed mrussel1. And it has everything do do with the coronavirus Madness.
Explain how the Coronavirus Madness has to do with even if you called a dogs tail a leg it still is not a leg....
2+2 still = 4 not 5. This is not even considered to be even an epidemic anymore. Follow the sience.
Yes I get 2+2=4 not 5 I also get a dogs tail is not a leg. This is all riveting new information for all of us in need of insight check.
What "sience" are you following that says that it is not this anymore?
What is an epidemic?
An epidemic is an outbreak of a disease that spreads quickly and affects many people at the same time. An outbreak occurs when there is a sudden increase in the number of cases of a disease, like COVID-19. It generally describes an increase that was not anticipated. An outbreak can occur in a community, geographical area or several countries.
Epidemic is often used broadly to describe any problem that has grown out of control. During an epidemic, the disease is actively spreading.
Examples of past epidemics are the 1918 Spanish flu, the measles outbreak from 1981 to 1991, and a 2014 case of whopping cough.
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
How's that for stopping the spread?
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Inwas born and raised California, after teaching there for 5 years, even though they are high on the list of teacher salaries, it didn’t match the cost of living. A 1600 square foot house can close $800,000 or more in LA. You can’t afford that on 60k.
I got tired of that so I moved an hour north to Denver 1 year ago. Housing is about double, but salaries are better too, it was about a 20k raise but I’m paying more than double the mortgage of a similar house. For the first time in 13 years of teaching I wasn’t struggling financially. But I was told 2 weeks ago I’m getting about a 10k pay cut. So that was short lived. Some may say they were hit harder than that, and I know many were. But when a modest house costs about $450k and you’re making 75k, to be told to expect a 10k reduction to pay is pretty significant.
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California's death rate is on the uptick again. 149 deaths. This is the highest it has ever been since the start of Corona going back since March.
None of them chose the career path with some sort of societal sacrifice in mind. Most just liked everything that comes with that particular job.
If you count the tail, how many legs does a dog have?
Nope i guess mindless people like you cant even smile or think anything through.
This is not even considered to be even an epidemic anymore. Follow the sience.
What "sience" are you following that says that it is not this anymore?
What is an epidemic?
An epidemic is an outbreak of a disease that spreads quickly and affects many people at the same time. An outbreak occurs when there is a sudden increase in the number of cases of a disease, like COVID-19. It generally describes an increase that was not anticipated. An outbreak can occur in a community, geographical area or several countries.
Epidemic is often used broadly to describe any problem that has grown out of control. During an epidemic, the disease is actively spreading.
Examples of past epidemics are the 1918 Spanish flu, the measles outbreak from 1981 to 1991, and a 2014 case of whopping cough.
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