The coronavirus
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Time to bring back the one child per couple rule I think.rgambs said:
1.4 billion people, that's why.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Why do these viruses keep originating in China? Regardless of which animal they come from.rgambs said:
You really don't know much about food production, do you? On the scale required to feed 1.4 billion people, the next superbug will just come from the Western style livestock farms with which you are culturally comfortable (despite a lack of real experience or knowledge) like Swine Flu, MERS, and who knows what else.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Here you go...CM189191 said:Thoughts_Arrive said:Shame on the World(China) Health Organization for permitting wet markets to reopen in China.
What makes you think the WHO has authority to close or open the wet markets in the first place?
Where would you like millions of Chinese people to get their food? Would you rather that they starve to death?
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/pm-puzzled-by-unfathomable-animal-markets-c-973992?fbclid=IwAR2ktF62BPWD9zEQLFSK9v8seu1NYC4k9TfkAzSRIZ0mj3iK3fFly1K0Eac
So hundreds of thousands of innocent people should die around the world and we should have people losing their jobs and their businesses and being in lockdown. All this which leads to mental health issues and suicides. One person has taken his life in quarantine here.
You think that is acceptable?
That is the CCP's problem. They have the money, they should finance making wet markets hygienic.
They are a massive country, why can't they farm livestock like cattle and sheep for consumption.
I doubt they'd come from livestock.
More like, from bats and pangolins.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about, Swine Flu originated in US/Mexican pork CAFOs and MERS was from camels. H5N1 originated in poultry.
All livestock.
Put down the conspiracy theories, stop getting information from memes, and stop rejecting solid information that people here provide out of butthurtedness at being called racist once.
The world is too over-populated.
Dude, many people are pissed at the CCP, including my fellow Australians. The CCP need to be held to account for this.
What conspiracy theory? Scientists are saying it originated in Wuhan from bats or pangolins at a wet market.Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/20140 -
Yes, this type of issue shows the importance of the global organization and the risk of the country-first attitude in EVERYTHING.MayDay10 said:I think our best bet is the world pools together resources and knowledge moving forward to protect us from such an outbreak. When something is detected like in Wuhan, everyone works in cohesion to isolate the cases, shut down travel, contact tracing, testing, etc...
Of course that man-baby who currently sits his fat ass in the White House doesnt understand that it is 2020 and global cooperation is now a thing. Conversely, you would need cooperation from places like China and Russia who typically arent so open.
Honestly - if you don't get cooperation from a country, you make part of your plan shutting down dealings (first people movement, then you look at trade) when an emergency occurs. Play along or vote them off the island.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Looks like we're going to do this age-old dance again:
- Cobble together a massive relief bill chock full of unrelated pork
- Shriek that it must pass immediately because the people cannot afford another second to go by
- Demonize people like Thomas Massie who dare object
- Spend the next 6 months getting upset about all of the horrible shit buried in 800 pages of text
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I would like to see us move away from our reliance on China. We won't/ can't stop dealing with them altogether, but I'd like it scaled back. Not sure I would flat out protest for it, but my vote definitely goes to break away from China on some level.josevolution said:So when/if everything gets back to some form of regularity , how many here will protest our government still dealing with China what kind of repercussions would you like to see happening
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Because I can't stop looking at images of the cute little rascals.Thoughts_Arrive said:
No, did you? Why do you ask?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Did you know what a pangolin was before 2020?More like, from bats and pangolins."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
All of them. They are riling you up and clouding your judgement. Not talking about the origin, just your approach to the topic as a whole.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Time to bring back the one child per couple rule I think.rgambs said:
1.4 billion people, that's why.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Why do these viruses keep originating in China? Regardless of which animal they come from.rgambs said:
You really don't know much about food production, do you? On the scale required to feed 1.4 billion people, the next superbug will just come from the Western style livestock farms with which you are culturally comfortable (despite a lack of real experience or knowledge) like Swine Flu, MERS, and who knows what else.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Here you go...CM189191 said:Thoughts_Arrive said:Shame on the World(China) Health Organization for permitting wet markets to reopen in China.
What makes you think the WHO has authority to close or open the wet markets in the first place?
Where would you like millions of Chinese people to get their food? Would you rather that they starve to death?
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/pm-puzzled-by-unfathomable-animal-markets-c-973992?fbclid=IwAR2ktF62BPWD9zEQLFSK9v8seu1NYC4k9TfkAzSRIZ0mj3iK3fFly1K0Eac
So hundreds of thousands of innocent people should die around the world and we should have people losing their jobs and their businesses and being in lockdown. All this which leads to mental health issues and suicides. One person has taken his life in quarantine here.
You think that is acceptable?
That is the CCP's problem. They have the money, they should finance making wet markets hygienic.
They are a massive country, why can't they farm livestock like cattle and sheep for consumption.
I doubt they'd come from livestock.
More like, from bats and pangolins.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about, Swine Flu originated in US/Mexican pork CAFOs and MERS was from camels. H5N1 originated in poultry.
All livestock.
Put down the conspiracy theories, stop getting information from memes, and stop rejecting solid information that people here provide out of butthurtedness at being called racist once.
The world is too over-populated.
Dude, many people are pissed at the CCP, including my fellow Australians. The CCP need to be held to account for this.
What conspiracy theory? Scientists are saying it originated in Wuhan from bats or pangolins at a wet market.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Well, I'd be all for figuring out how to get manufacturing back. But people have to be willing to pay more...pay the full cost. They are now seeing the full cost and paying for it by losing their jobs and lives. Somehow encouraging regional manufacturing.bbiggs said:
I would like to see us move away from our reliance on China. We won't/ can't stop dealing with them altogether, but I'd like it scaled back. Not sure I would flat out protest for it, but my vote definitely goes to break away from China on some level.josevolution said:So when/if everything gets back to some form of regularity , how many here will protest our government still dealing with China what kind of repercussions would you like to see happeninghippiemom = goodness0 -
Bad boy Tegnell on Sweden keeping schools open:
- No large outbreaks have happened.
- The most spread is happening in the homes within families. So not that big risk of having teachers working - if not sick.
- The spreading of the virus in schools that have occured is by teachers coming in with symptoms, and infecting others colleagues mainly - not kids. But not much of that has occured.
- Kids might not show symptoms when sick. But there have not been any signs of kids spreading the disease in any large amount.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Hahaha the only thing funny about this is that the tax change in question is the 1 thing to which Massie wouldn't have any objections!pjl44 said:Looks like we're going to do this age-old dance again:
- Cobble together a massive relief bill chock full of unrelated pork
- Shriek that it must pass immediately because the people cannot afford another second to go by
- Demonize people like Thomas Massie who dare object
- Spend the next 6 months getting upset about all of the horrible shit buried in 800 pages of textMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
There are other low cost countries to manufacture in, other than China.cincybearcat said:
Well, I'd be all for figuring out how to get manufacturing back. But people have to be willing to pay more...pay the full cost. They are now seeing the full cost and paying for it by losing their jobs and lives. Somehow encouraging regional manufacturing.bbiggs said:
I would like to see us move away from our reliance on China. We won't/ can't stop dealing with them altogether, but I'd like it scaled back. Not sure I would flat out protest for it, but my vote definitely goes to break away from China on some level.josevolution said:So when/if everything gets back to some form of regularity , how many here will protest our government still dealing with China what kind of repercussions would you like to see happening
I think we all can agree that swedish made items are of the best quality in the world. But the west won't get manufacturing back -- but why not "force" or incentive companies to put it in countries that at least reach the level of "democracy" etc? Other countries in asia, or africa etc."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
What a fucking moron.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Bad boy Tegnell on Sweden keeping schools open:
- No large outbreaks have happened.
- The most spread is happening in the homes within families. So not that big risk of having teachers working - if not sick.
- The spreading of the virus in schools that have occured is by teachers coming in with symptoms, and infecting others colleagues mainly - not kids. But not much of that has occured.
- Kids might not show symptoms when sick. But there have not been any signs of kids spreading the disease in any large amount.
"We can't tell if kids are sick, but we assume they aren't spreading it anyways."
Moronic.
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I would think he (and his colleagues) is more educated in the field. than you are. So his statements should by that token be more educated also.rgambs said:
What a fucking moron.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Bad boy Tegnell on Sweden keeping schools open:
- No large outbreaks have happened.
- The most spread is happening in the homes within families. So not that big risk of having teachers working - if not sick.
- The spreading of the virus in schools that have occured is by teachers coming in with symptoms, and infecting others colleagues mainly - not kids. But not much of that has occured.
- Kids might not show symptoms when sick. But there have not been any signs of kids spreading the disease in any large amount.
"We can't tell if kids are sick, but we assume they aren't spreading it anyways."
Moronic.
Thank you."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Thoughts_Arrive said:
Why do these viruses keep originating in China? Regardless of which animal they come from.rgambs said:
You really don't know much about food production, do you? On the scale required to feed 1.4 billion people, the next superbug will just come from the Western style livestock farms with which you are culturally comfortable (despite a lack of real experience or knowledge) like Swine Flu, MERS, and who knows what else.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Here you go...CM189191 said:Thoughts_Arrive said:Shame on the World(China) Health Organization for permitting wet markets to reopen in China.
What makes you think the WHO has authority to close or open the wet markets in the first place?
Where would you like millions of Chinese people to get their food? Would you rather that they starve to death?
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/pm-puzzled-by-unfathomable-animal-markets-c-973992?fbclid=IwAR2ktF62BPWD9zEQLFSK9v8seu1NYC4k9TfkAzSRIZ0mj3iK3fFly1K0Eac
So hundreds of thousands of innocent people should die around the world and we should have people losing their jobs and their businesses and being in lockdown. All this which leads to mental health issues and suicides. One person has taken his life in quarantine here.
You think that is acceptable?
That is the CCP's problem. They have the money, they should finance making wet markets hygienic.
They are a massive country, why can't they farm livestock like cattle and sheep for consumption.
I doubt they'd come from livestock.
More like, from bats and pangolins.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/industry-scrambles-to-stop-fatal-bird-flu-in-south-carolina
South Carolina is not in China
If bats & pangolins were farmed, wouldn't that just make them livestock too?
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You might have a point if he wasn't at odds with common sense and the consensus of the rest of the scientific community of the entire world lolSpiritual_Chaos said:
I would think he (and his colleagues) is more educated in the field. than you are. So his statements should by that token be more educated also.rgambs said:
What a fucking moron.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Bad boy Tegnell on Sweden keeping schools open:
- No large outbreaks have happened.
- The most spread is happening in the homes within families. So not that big risk of having teachers working - if not sick.
- The spreading of the virus in schools that have occured is by teachers coming in with symptoms, and infecting others colleagues mainly - not kids. But not much of that has occured.
- Kids might not show symptoms when sick. But there have not been any signs of kids spreading the disease in any large amount.
"We can't tell if kids are sick, but we assume they aren't spreading it anyways."
Moronic.
Thank you.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Yes there are. We need people that are buying stuff to care about the health and safety of the workers making it wherever they are.Spiritual_Chaos said:
There are other low cost countries to manufacture in, other than China.cincybearcat said:
Well, I'd be all for figuring out how to get manufacturing back. But people have to be willing to pay more...pay the full cost. They are now seeing the full cost and paying for it by losing their jobs and lives. Somehow encouraging regional manufacturing.bbiggs said:
I would like to see us move away from our reliance on China. We won't/ can't stop dealing with them altogether, but I'd like it scaled back. Not sure I would flat out protest for it, but my vote definitely goes to break away from China on some level.josevolution said:So when/if everything gets back to some form of regularity , how many here will protest our government still dealing with China what kind of repercussions would you like to see happening
I think we all can agree that swedish made items are of the best quality in the world. But the west won't get manufacturing back -- but why not "force" or incentive companies to put it in countries that at least reach the level of "democracy" etc? Other countries in asia, or africa etc.
Regional manufacturing isn't about bring all manufacturing back, but making products in the region they are sold.hippiemom = goodness0 -
You might be right about that but then where were the voices who would reliably object to something like this?rgambs said:
Hahaha the only thing funny about this is that the tax change in question is the 1 thing to which Massie wouldn't have any objections!pjl44 said:Looks like we're going to do this age-old dance again:
- Cobble together a massive relief bill chock full of unrelated pork
- Shriek that it must pass immediately because the people cannot afford another second to go by
- Demonize people like Thomas Massie who dare object
- Spend the next 6 months getting upset about all of the horrible shit buried in 800 pages of text0 -
Serious question,
Don't you find it odd that China has way less deaths than the USA, Italy, Spain, and the UK?
China, a massive country with a massive population and where the virus originated only has 3,341 deaths to date (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2OsGMYG8H-i4V2AJG-kz92SiSxuQDlnG10Zn9hbZVkFq9ov22fpGzz4tw#countries)
I also find it odd that their neighbour, Russia, has only 140 deaths given their massive population.Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/20140 -
Has anyone seen this documentary yet? I haven't but it's in my saved list on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bXWGxhd7ic&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR33DdSqtr7LwWFp_LNrsQPVrsB69MFkVMQn6j01AP1ru-ax1YuunK4h_kU
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/20140 -
If they were safe (no presence of viruses) then I guess, yes it would.CM189191 said:Thoughts_Arrive said:
Why do these viruses keep originating in China? Regardless of which animal they come from.rgambs said:
You really don't know much about food production, do you? On the scale required to feed 1.4 billion people, the next superbug will just come from the Western style livestock farms with which you are culturally comfortable (despite a lack of real experience or knowledge) like Swine Flu, MERS, and who knows what else.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Here you go...CM189191 said:Thoughts_Arrive said:Shame on the World(China) Health Organization for permitting wet markets to reopen in China.
What makes you think the WHO has authority to close or open the wet markets in the first place?
Where would you like millions of Chinese people to get their food? Would you rather that they starve to death?
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/pm-puzzled-by-unfathomable-animal-markets-c-973992?fbclid=IwAR2ktF62BPWD9zEQLFSK9v8seu1NYC4k9TfkAzSRIZ0mj3iK3fFly1K0Eac
So hundreds of thousands of innocent people should die around the world and we should have people losing their jobs and their businesses and being in lockdown. All this which leads to mental health issues and suicides. One person has taken his life in quarantine here.
You think that is acceptable?
That is the CCP's problem. They have the money, they should finance making wet markets hygienic.
They are a massive country, why can't they farm livestock like cattle and sheep for consumption.
I doubt they'd come from livestock.
More like, from bats and pangolins.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/industry-scrambles-to-stop-fatal-bird-flu-in-south-carolina
South Carolina is not in China
If bats & pangolins were farmed, wouldn't that just make them livestock too?Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/20140 -
No, I find it China and Russia doing what they always do, hide information from the rest of the world. Nothing new about that. They also just lock people down because they can. Their numbers, while probably not as low as reporting, may very well be not as bad as other countries that just suggest people stay home.Thoughts_Arrive said:Serious question,
Don't you find it odd that China has way less deaths than the USA, Italy, Spain, and the UK?
China, a massive country with a massive population and where the virus originated only has 3,341 deaths to date (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2OsGMYG8H-i4V2AJG-kz92SiSxuQDlnG10Zn9hbZVkFq9ov22fpGzz4tw#countries)
I also find it odd that their neighbour, Russia, has only 140 deaths given their massive population.It's a hopeless situation...0
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