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Be better.Gern Blansten said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
You may be an expert, and I am not. But please show me statistics on sexual assault/abuse and how certain it is that the accuser mentions it to co-workers. As in it being an unlikely thing to happen if they do not chitchat about it with coworkers?Gern Blansten said:It's bullshit...I think it was the NY Times or WP that had an article on it this morning that mentioned they talked with co-workers of the accuser and she never mentioned it to them.
Not to say that means it didn't happen....it is just unlikely.
My sparse knowledge on women reacting to these kind of things -- and in the early 90s to boot -- the era where @mrussel1 says acting like Bloomberg against women was not anything out of the ordinary and where men behaved like Joe himself and his friends against Anita Hill -- is that it would not be unlikely to not chitchat about your boss sticking his hand inside your vagina against your will, with colleagues.
I think, saying it is unlikely it happened because she did not bring it up to anyone or in this case anyone but her most trusted (mom, brother, best friends) is a slap in the face on women to be honest.
Did Christine Bailey Ford chitchat with her co-workers, or at the time all of her classmates about being assaulted?
Ask around your female relatives and female friends. Did they?
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Although it's Christine Blasey Ford.
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Biden has announced that he will choose a female as his Vice President, and will elect a Black Female to the Supreme Court. Shame that the BEST QUALIFIED has nothing to do with his decisions.
I guess I will vote for Trump, since I do not support sexism or racism.
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Biden has announced that he will choose a female as his Vice President, and will elect a Black Female to the Supreme Court. Shame that the BEST QUALIFIED has nothing to do with his decisions.
I guess I will vote for Trump, since I do not support sexism or racism.
#metoo....at least tRump doesn't sexually assault people
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When you're looking at, say the SCOTUS, there are likely many people who are qualified. There's no MOST. That word isn't relevant when speaking about people with years of relevant, if not differing experiences. So having a person who brings a unique experience is good.SPEEDY MCCREADY said:Biden has announced that he will choose a female as his Vice President, and will elect a Black Female to the Supreme Court. Shame that the BEST QUALIFIED has nothing to do with his decisions.
I guess I will vote for Trump, since I do not support sexism or racism.
Im pretty sure you weren't 50/50 before this.0 -
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When you're looking at, say the SCOTUS, there are likely many people who are qualified. There's no MOST. That word isn't relevant when speaking about people with years of relevant, if not differing experiences. So having a person who brings a unique experience is good.SPEEDY MCCREADY said:Biden has announced that he will choose a female as his Vice President, and will elect a Black Female to the Supreme Court. Shame that the BEST QUALIFIED has nothing to do with his decisions.
I guess I will vote for Trump, since I do not support sexism or racism.
Im pretty sure you weren't 50/50 before this.Your are correct, I was not 50/50.
But like I discussed with you months ago. Its all about the swing states.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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She used the word credible, so I guess it's however you want to read that. To me that puts it somewhere along a continuum of "worthy of further investigation" to "this probably happened."mrussel1 said:
It's possible. That's a way to look at it. Are you saying that they find it to be meritorious or not?pjl44 said:
You know, on second thought:mrussel1 said:
I know she's former, so she no longer speaks for the campaign. That's my point. She also works for the Intercept, who are the ones that gave new life to the story two weeks ago.pjl44 said:
Former because the campaign is suspended. Come on, man. This isn't difficult stuff to confirm. Just Google her name if you need to see piles of articles.mrussel1 said:
I don’t know that she speaks for the campaign. She’s listed as “former”. The fact that she thinks Burisma is credible calls into question her general judgment on the issue.pjl44 said:
Yeah, agree totally on Burisma but that's not the point. We're talking about the sexual assault allegations. We don't have to speculate on what the Bernie campaign thought of them. She's telling us.mrussel1 said:
Burisma isn’t close to being a credible issue. It damages the integrity of her post.pjl44 said:
Here's Bernie's Press Secretary calling the allegations crediblemrussel1 said:Well it brings up a curious point. This allegation has been out there for a year, shopped to various outlets and lawyers. There's no doubt that Sanders team has researched it in full. Yet they never brought it up and he suspended his campaign. That strikes me as they see it lacks merit. Sanders will have had oppo research look into this for sure.
Getting back to your original point, if the publication that you say gave this story new life just happens to be the former employer of Bernie's Press Secretary, wouldn't that lead you to believe that they DID actively try to use this against Biden?
Personally, I think it requires further investigation but I have no idea what the appropriate forum is. He's technically just a private citizen, right? Do you hold hearings for someone seeking public office? Or is the only opportunity through the legal system? I don't trust the media to aggressively pursue it.0 -
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I followed her for a while at t height of the Russia investigation. There was more grandstanding and gotchas than anything. I appreciate her effort but if this is like her reporting on Russian collusion I don’t think it will be seen as credible.CM189191 said:Scio me nihil scire
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OF COURSE you would quote Louise Mensch.CM189191 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor
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So that's why we haven't heard from Bannon in a while. Secret government execution.pjl44 said:
OF COURSE you would quote Louise Mensch.CM189191 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylorIt's a hopeless situation...0 -
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I take no pleasure in posting thattbergs said:
So that's why we haven't heard from Bannon in a while. Secret government execution.pjl44 said:
OF COURSE you would quote Louise Mensch.CM189191 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor0 -
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Much of her reporting on Russian collusion was way ahead of, and confirmed by Mueller report.static111 said:
I followed her for a while at t height of the Russia investigation. There was more grandstanding and gotchas than anything. I appreciate her effort but if this is like her reporting on Russian collusion I don’t think it will be seen as credible.CM189191 said:
I saw she had a misfire, which she ultimately apologized for. But otherwise has been accurate and prescient.
That aside, doesn't seem to discount what she's reporting here. Tara Reade is changing her story from "my abusive boyfriend forced me to leave Biden's campaign". Which one of Tara Reade's stories are we supposed to believe here?0 -
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Exactly. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Were these her blog posts? Were they false and NOW she's telling the truth? Mensch is irrelevant, she is just posting the information.CM189191 said:
Much of her reporting on Russian collusion was way ahead of, and confirmed by Mueller report.static111 said:
I followed her for a while at t height of the Russia investigation. There was more grandstanding and gotchas than anything. I appreciate her effort but if this is like her reporting on Russian collusion I don’t think it will be seen as credible.CM189191 said:
I saw she had a misfire, which she ultimately apologized for. But otherwise has been accurate and prescient.
That aside, doesn't seem to discount what she's reporting here. Tara Reade is changing her story from "my abusive boyfriend forced me to leave Biden's campaign". Which one of Tara Reade's stories are we supposed to believe here?
If those really were her blogs, and she said an abusive partner made her leave Biden, and you couple that with how her story has escalated in from 'touching' to 'rape' over the past 12 months, then I think you can pretty much bag this one as being done. She has lost credibility.
To the question about the private citizen, that's exactly right. There is no forum or recourse other than journalism or filing a charge (if the SOL hasn't run, I have no idea).Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
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I'm sitting this one outWeep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/menschs-list
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/twitter-verification-problem
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/15561842/trump-russia-louise-mensch
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Ha! That's awesome. Obviously the power of the PJ board forced Bernie's hand.static111 said:https://apple.news/AOHt7-IEMTcCSB2JLVKsMug Bernie endorses Biden now shut up
Also, getting back to the 'Tara' angle, this furthers my argument that Sanders Team investigated this and decided it was without merit. Why would this flurry of activity happen now, if they thought it was real.0 -
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