Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
The point is: 1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period. 2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else 3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office 4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation. 5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender." 6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party. 7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
There's a lot of extraneous stuff there. 1,2,3,5,7 don't really give me a smoking gun. Are you saying the blog link claims she left Biden to go with the Tate dude to the midwest? And in another article from 2019 she says she left Biden because of the assault? And that's her story changing? I still don't understand what the alumni magazine point is.
No she never mentioned the assault in 19. It just came up in the past week or two. That's what is unusual. I think the point of the alumni post is to give further credence that she consistently wrote about abuse but never mentioned getting raped at work. None of this is smoking gun. How does one prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they didn't rape someone in 1992?? That's not a reasonable bar. I guess if you find a payment to her from the Trump campaign, then that's a smoking gun. But outside of that, it will be her word vs his.
Yeah, this is all whatever. Certainly not eye-opening enough to be hitching oneself to Louise Mensch.
For the record, I have no clue whether she's telling the truth. Absent some bombshell, I don't think we'll ever know much more than we do now. Like we were saying before, there doesn't really seem to be a forum unless she presses charges.
The thing that is disappointing/illuminating to me is the way it's being handled by the media and partisans, especially when you compare it to Kavanaugh. Scarce few are interested in accountability when it means going after their political allies. Unless it's so egregious a la Weinstein/Epstein.
I thought Kavanaugh was over the top, that's for sure. However... to me he clearly lied on the stand. There were some terms that were in the yearbook that he said meant something innocuous that we know meant something else. It calls into question his entire narrative.
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
The point is: 1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period. 2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else 3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office 4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation. 5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender." 6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party. 7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
There's a lot of extraneous stuff there. 1,2,3,5,7 don't really give me a smoking gun. Are you saying the blog link claims she left Biden to go with the Tate dude to the midwest? And in another article from 2019 she says she left Biden because of the assault? And that's her story changing? I still don't understand what the alumni magazine point is.
No she never mentioned the assault in 19. It just came up in the past week or two. That's what is unusual. I think the point of the alumni post is to give further credence that she consistently wrote about abuse but never mentioned getting raped at work. None of this is smoking gun. How does one prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they didn't rape someone in 1992?? That's not a reasonable bar. I guess if you find a payment to her from the Trump campaign, then that's a smoking gun. But outside of that, it will be her word vs his.
Yeah, this is all whatever. Certainly not eye-opening enough to be hitching oneself to Louise Mensch.
For the record, I have no clue whether she's telling the truth. Absent some bombshell, I don't think we'll ever know much more than we do now. Like we were saying before, there doesn't really seem to be a forum unless she presses charges.
The thing that is disappointing/illuminating to me is the way it's being handled by the media and partisans, especially when you compare it to Kavanaugh. Scarce few are interested in accountability when it means going after their political allies. Unless it's so egregious a la Weinstein/Epstein.
I thought Kavanaugh was over the top, that's for sure. However... to me he clearly lied on the stand. There were some terms that were in the yearbook that he said meant something innocuous that we know meant something else. It calls into question his entire narrative.
I'm not talking about his hearing at all. I'm only talking about how the accusations were handled before the hearing even happened.
Weep for those with nonfunctional bullshit detectors who allow their minds to be poisoned by grifters like Louise Mensch because life is nothing but Trump rage
You don't have to believe her. You can read the two documents she sources for yourself. They are still up and available. All of her stories are about an abusive husband. She even touts Joe Biden as "sponsor of Violence against Women Act".
I wouldn't spend a second of my day reading a word she wrote. If it's credible and gets picked up by a reputable news outlet, by all means post a link.
Why not read Reade's actual words?
Or anything Louise Mensch is linking to. Again, if someone credible wants to report on whatever all that is, I'm all ears.
There you go.. why let any news source tell you, let alone her. Read the two primary documents yourself.
I caved and read the links then even read the tweets. Can you summarize the point? I'm not getting it.
The point is: 1. She clearly and in a detailed way pointed out how she was abused by a husband during this time period. 2. She never mentioned sexual assault by anyone else 3. She traded (I'm not saying that's bad) on her time in the Biden office 4. She indicated in there that she left the Biden office based on her domestic abuse situation. 5. This is the opening paragraph of the second piece "I should know what an abuser looks like. After all, I was working for then Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Violence Against Women Act. But domestic violence is an equal opportunity offender." 6. In 2019 she gave an interview to, I believe, the Nevada Register. In that interview, she said she left Biden's office because she was asked (not by Biden, but by her manager) to serve drinks at a party. 7. In the same interview, she said he touched her neck inappropriately, never mentioning being assaulted. Nor did she say that's why she quit.
Does all of this mean that it's impossible that the event happened? No, not at all, but there's a lot of curious circumstantial counter evidence.
There's a lot of extraneous stuff there. 1,2,3,5,7 don't really give me a smoking gun. Are you saying the blog link claims she left Biden to go with the Tate dude to the midwest? And in another article from 2019 she says she left Biden because of the assault? And that's her story changing? I still don't understand what the alumni magazine point is.
No she never mentioned the assault in 19. It just came up in the past week or two. That's what is unusual. I think the point of the alumni post is to give further credence that she consistently wrote about abuse but never mentioned getting raped at work. None of this is smoking gun. How does one prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they didn't rape someone in 1992?? That's not a reasonable bar. I guess if you find a payment to her from the Trump campaign, then that's a smoking gun. But outside of that, it will be her word vs his.
Yeah, this is all whatever. Certainly not eye-opening enough to be hitching oneself to Louise Mensch.
For the record, I have no clue whether she's telling the truth. Absent some bombshell, I don't think we'll ever know much more than we do now. Like we were saying before, there doesn't really seem to be a forum unless she presses charges.
The thing that is disappointing/illuminating to me is the way it's being handled by the media and partisans, especially when you compare it to Kavanaugh. Scarce few are interested in accountability when it means going after their political allies. Unless it's so egregious a la Weinstein/Epstein.
I thought Kavanaugh was over the top, that's for sure. However... to me he clearly lied on the stand. There were some terms that were in the yearbook that he said meant something innocuous that we know meant something else. It calls into question his entire narrative.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
Louise Mensch : bullshit artist Tara Reade : totally believable
lol ok
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I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:
I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled. I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism. They lose me quickly there. I think he should run. Helps Biden.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:
I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled. I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism. They lose me quickly there. I think he should run. Helps Biden.
Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.
The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:
I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled. I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism. They lose me quickly there. I think he should run. Helps Biden.
Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.
The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.
Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:
I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled. I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism. They lose me quickly there. I think he should run. Helps Biden.
Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.
The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.
Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote.
I don't see anyone really talking about it, but I think that's going to hit Trump, too. The one poll I've seen since Sanders bowed out had Biden with an 11 point lead. I really think that's about where things are right now. A lot will happen in 7 months, but still.
So some posters here are ok that we do have a sexual predator as president but find Biden to be worst than him so they will vote for the Baffoon? lol yeah ok both men are the same unreal there’s 20,000 dead reasons why I’m voting against the fucking orange Baffoon by November that number will be 60k ..
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What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:
I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled. I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism. They lose me quickly there. I think he should run. Helps Biden.
Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.
The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.
Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote.
I don't see anyone really talking about it, but I think that's going to hit Trump, too. The one poll I've seen since Sanders bowed out had Biden with an 11 point lead. I really think that's about where things are right now. A lot will happen in 7 months, but still.
I don't think 538 started their head to head polling average in '16 until sometime in the summer.
Definitely good numbers so far, but a long time left to go.
What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”
Why are you ignoring the words that came from the Obama camp all along, that he wasn't going to put his thumb on the scale? He didn't do it in 16 either. You don't think that decision to be hands off shows his thoughtfulness and respect for the process?
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:
I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled. I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism. They lose me quickly there. I think he should run. Helps Biden.
Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.
The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.
Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote.
I don't see anyone really talking about it, but I think that's going to hit Trump, too. The one poll I've seen since Sanders bowed out had Biden with an 11 point lead. I really think that's about where things are right now. A lot will happen in 7 months, but still.
I don't think 538 started their head to head polling average in '16 until sometime in the summer.
Definitely good numbers so far, but a long time left to go.
I looked back and the 2016 Dem primary was still a two-person race into June. But yeah a long time left and things are extremely volatile. I can't imagine Trump's daily slap fights with the press are helping.
What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”
Why are you ignoring the words that came from the Obama camp all along, that he wasn't going to put his thumb on the scale? He didn't do it in 16 either. You don't think that decision to be hands off shows his thoughtfulness and respect for the process?
That’s fine but it renders his endorsement meaningless. What is someone that was considering voting for Trump gonna vote Biden now because of the Obama endorsement? No, so the endorsement doesn’t really mean anything. To me actually, no political endorsements mean that much. Unless you’re a simpleton that needs to be told who to vote for I guess.
I was thinking about that blog more. She says right in there that she almost left to work on a Governor's race in California. So she was already planning on leaving before Tate talked her into joining him in the midwest. There's no contradiction there - she had other reasons for leaving. Was it about a sexual assault? Who knows.
Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Why are you on about Louise Mensch? You're making this about her. She happened to post these articles which plays into the exact thing I was talking about last week, that this woman has had multiple contacts with the media and never brought up the assault...until like two weeks ago.
She's a bullshit artist and whatever gotcha she thinks she's presenting is bullshit
You've completely missed the point I was making because you're do hung up on her.
What was your point?
That until two weeks ago, she never accused Biden of this, even when she was on record talking about abuse several times. And in 2019, talking specifically about Biden and that he touched her neck inappropriately. But suddenly in the last two weeks, we’ve escalated to assault.
Ok...I didn't miss your point. You're just talking about aspects of this that I'm not interested in discussing. All of these things can be true:
- Her accusation isn't accurate - Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything - The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
I don't care about 2 and 3 is obvious. I guess I don't expect the press to be fair. Throughout American history, the media always pushed narratives. It's not new. The concept of fair media was a mid 20th century ideal from the advent of television and it ended with... at best.. the end of Cronkite.
That's totally fair and I should have added that we seemed to be in agreement there anyway. Since the other 2 cancel each other out, I'll move on to a more positive subject:
I don't mind Amash.. I have disagreements with Libertarians though, for a few reasons, but at least they are principled. I don't like when they move too deep into objectivism. They lose me quickly there. I think he should run. Helps Biden.
Yeah, the guy who is sorta their frontrunner right now, Hornberger, is one of those objectivist types. For several reasons I couldn't vote for him.
The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.
Yeah I think we see from the primary voting that there was definitely an anti- Hillary vote.
I don't see anyone really talking about it, but I think that's going to hit Trump, too. The one poll I've seen since Sanders bowed out had Biden with an 11 point lead. I really think that's about where things are right now. A lot will happen in 7 months, but still.
I don't think 538 started their head to head polling average in '16 until sometime in the summer.
Definitely good numbers so far, but a long time left to go.
I looked back and the 2016 Dem primary was still a two-person race into June. But yeah a long time left and things are extremely volatile. I can't imagine Trump's daily slap fights with the press are helping.
I think he’s killing himself with these “briefings.” Joe should just sit back for a month or two and let Trump keep digging himself a hole.
What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”
Why are you ignoring the words that came from the Obama camp all along, that he wasn't going to put his thumb on the scale? He didn't do it in 16 either. You don't think that decision to be hands off shows his thoughtfulness and respect for the process?
That all may be true but doesn't it sound a touch arrogant? "If I endorse, I am a kingmaker." Especially when other prominent Dems had a preference and endorsed Biden at key moments - Clyburn before SC, Klobuchar dropping out and endorsing when MN was in play for Sanders.
What an endorsement for Joe! So between Biden and Trump, Obama sides with Biden. Talk about playing it safe. I guess Obama didn’t want to endorse when it was possible that Joe wouldn’t win the primary. It looks like Obama is like me and and many others that’ll vote for Joe in November: “Well, if he’s all we got, I guess I’ll back him.”
No, not really. Sitting and past presidents traditionally do not insert themselves into the nominating process as they prefer, and the party prefers, that the process play out. Obama not endorsing Sleepy Woke Joe until now is nothing more than him allowing the process to play out and then backing whoever the eventual nominee is. Obama would have endorsed Bernie had Bernie been the nominee. And he would have encouraged ALL democrats to get behind Bernie and help him win. Hardly an "if he's all we got," moment.
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Why the fuck are you people listening to Louise Mensch?
Louise Mensch : bullshit artist
Tara Reade : totally believable
lol ok
- Her accusation isn't accurate
- Mensch is a bullshit artist and her points posted here don't amount to anything
- The media has a double standard in coverage of these stories
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/business/media/joe-biden-tara-reade-new-york-times.html
The Libertarian candidate does historically pull more Republican voters. 2016 was interesting - Johnson seemed to pull about equally from both. Looking back you have to wonder if that had more to do with Clinton than anything. I agree that for Biden it's at worst a wash, but likely a net bump.
His true colors showed yesterday. Today will be an act to try to repair that damage.
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Definitely good numbers so far, but a long time left to go.
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