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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited April 2020
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
    This is borderline psychotic.
    mcgruff10 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
    This is borderline psychotic.
    Agreed.  
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?

    I take this as it doesn't differ all that much from Sweden with all these amazing precautions that sweden are loons for not implementing.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    I agree that a "stay home" by itself won;t work longterm.  But, in order to prepare, a stay home order is very effective and allows the medical community to be ready.

    In 2 years time the information we have from this, how different places dealt with it and their results will be very interesting and I HOPE we learn from it!
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  • CM189191
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
    JFC...What the fuck is wrong with you?  
    ? I asked a question ? 
    .
    But let me guess the answer - Sweden doesn't look that much different. As Gisecke himself has said:

    And the difference between Sweden and the rest of the world is marginal.

    Have you considered adding more political parties?  Maybe that would help....
  • Mike D88
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  • pjl44
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
    This is borderline psychotic.
    mcgruff10 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
    This is borderline psychotic.
    Agreed.  
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?

    I take this as it doesn't differ all that much from Sweden with all these amazing precautions that sweden are loons for not implementing.
    I would expect a compassionate socialist to conduct themselves with more tact when the conversation touches on the actual horrors of this pandemic. Or at least prioritize it over trying to win internet arguments.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Mike D88 said:
    Oh, fuck. Read he had gotten oxygon.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Prime Minister Boris Johnson condition has worsened and is now in ICU.

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited April 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    I agree that a "stay home" by itself won;t work longterm.  But, in order to prepare, a stay home order is very effective and allows the medical community to be ready.

    In 2 years time the information we have from this, how different places dealt with it and their results will be very interesting and I HOPE we learn from it!
    And Sweden made the decision that asking people to stay home was enough to make the hospitals cope, right or wrong. We'll see.

    And yes, will be very interesting - and even more: will the world make itself ready for the next go of a virus like this, or will we all forget and keep zero respirators around in the name of profit etc.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • hedonist
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    mcgruff10 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
    This is borderline psychotic.
    Agreed.  
    I’ll call a spade a spade. It’s fucked. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Any word on Russia and the virus?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Mike D88 said:
    If Sweden is not doing markedly better or worse than other countries, then this thread could stand to have a lot less discussion about it.
    Well, put your action into words then and drop in another country into the discussion.
    Norway and Finland are far superior to Sweden
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited April 2020
    CM189191 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Mike D88 said:
    If Sweden is not doing markedly better or worse than other countries, then this thread could stand to have a lot less discussion about it.
    Well, put your action into words then and drop in another country into the discussion.
    Norway and Finland are far superior to Sweden
    Yes.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10
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    edited April 2020
    Another election thread closed. The poor mods must feel like kindergarten teachers with some of you guys. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen announces that Denmark will now open schools for the grades zero to five from 15 April. Preschools are also opened.
    - It is based on the authorities' assessment. It is a controlled opening. But everyone should continue to keep their distance and avoid meeting too many people, says the prime minister at a press conference.

    At the same time, banning large crowds of people has been extended until last August and cinemas, cafes and other similar gathering places will remain closed.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mfc2006
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
    Seriously?? Maybe take a break from the internet for awhile.
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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,235
    edited April 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Mike D88 said:
    If Sweden is not doing markedly better or worse than other countries, then this thread could stand to have a lot less discussion about it.
    Well, put your action into words then and drop in another country into the discussion.
    I tried and posted this a few times but no comments, but that's okay since they are not Americans suggesting this?


  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited April 2020
    cutz said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Mike D88 said:
    If Sweden is not doing markedly better or worse than other countries, then this thread could stand to have a lot less discussion about it.
    Well, put your action into words then and drop in another country into the discussion.
    I tried and posted this a few times but no comments, but that's okay since they are not Americans suggesting this?


    I've only seen this picture which look to frightening to press play on:



    Is this about the guy in France who said we should test our vaccins in Africa, because they "have nothing to lose" because they don't have respirators etc?

    Yes. That is sick. How big was the backlash in France?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • gimmesometruth27
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    hedonist said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:

    It's not even worth responding.  How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe? 
    How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
    This is borderline psychotic.
    Agreed.  
    I’ll call a spade a spade. It’s fucked. 
    this was my first thought as well.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470

    Prepare for the mother of all s**t storms if Sweden pulls this off

    If Sweden, which has not locked down its economy and society, emerges with a death toll from COVID-19 that is somewhere in the middle of the pack of European countries, there is going to be a lot of recrimination, particularly against those who have tried to silence any discussion about the true extent of the threat that COVID-19 actually poses

    In a word: Sweden. What happens if they pull this off? What happens if it turns out that we could have coped with COVID-19 without collapsing entire sectors of the economy putting millions on the dole, and imposing some of the most draconian restrictions on civil liberties in living memory?

    Sweden has not closed the bars. Shopping malls are open. Schools and companies are open too. There are some restrictions such as on gatherings of over 50 people. But, in comparison with most European countries, life in Sweden is relatively normal.

    Right now, Sweden's death rate from coronavirus is 33 per million of the population. In France it is 83. In Italy it is 230. In Britain it is 43. In the Netherlands it is 78.

    /.../

    What is interesting though, is that precisely because it is Sweden, the usual suspects in our politics who benefit from disillusionment with the establishment may find it hard to profit from this. The Swedish government is led by Stefan Loeven, a Social Democrat.

    Sweden is practically a role model for mainstream, left of centre politics. If you're a European populist, it's going to be more than a little incongruous to start singing the praises of Sweden, of all countries.

    Similarly in America. Donald Trump has, albeit reluctantly, broadly followed the lockdown policies we see across most of Europe. Unless he very quickly does a 180 degree turn (and don't rule that out) how can he profit from his usual disdain for the way things are done by the establishment?

    That said, if this particular "Swedish model" wins the day, someone is going to get it in the neck. The question is, who?

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/7649/prepare_for_the_mother_of_all_s_t_storms_if_sweden_pulls_this_off

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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited April 2020
    ^
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