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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,586
    brianlux said:
    My guess is that GA will come back. festivals will come back, and pretty much everything will come back but on a lower level of luxury.  Most of us in the first world have been living in a bubble of time that started just after WWII when wealth (at least relative wealth) and ease of living became common.  The coronavirus burst that bubble and we will not see it return to the level it had been before.  This was inevitable anyway because we in the first world have consumed more resources and energy than the planet could inevitably continue to sustain.  This pandemic, besides being the horrible disease it is, has ushered in a new, less affluent era.  This does not have to necessarily mean a lower quality of life.  In fact, if we learn to live within our means, more simply, more purely, more reasonable and more responsibly, it could usher in a much better era in human history.  If not, it may well lead to one of the most unsettled, strife ridden periods of human history.  The choice is ours.

    So...less affluent as in fewer $200 to $300 concert tickets?
    (Kudos to PJ keeping costs down).
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,586
    pjl44 said:
    Very interesting 




    Based on antibody tests that have not yet proven to be reliable?

    Based on whether covid immunity has been proven to be attainable?

    A telling sentence in their abstract “ Individuals that are frailer, and therefore more susceptible or more exposed, have higher probabilities of being infected“
    That has not been proven true yet. They have a higher probability of dying, not of being infected.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,369
    pjl44 said:
    Very interesting 




    Based on antibody tests that have not yet proven to be reliable?

    Based on whether covid immunity has been proven to be attainable?

    A telling sentence in their abstract “ Individuals that are frailer, and therefore more susceptible or more exposed, have higher probabilities of being infected“
    That has not been proven true yet. They have a higher probability of dying, not of being infected.
    I have no expertise in epidemiology. Feel free to argue with the previous FDA commissioner on Twitter.
  • gotthebottlegotthebottle Posts: 2,693
    I'm disgusted by some in the Forum, another thread,  that are so fucking insensitive to the 77,000+ deaths and all they are concerned about is Ohana. 
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,424
    I'm disgusted by some in the Forum, another thread,  that are so fucking insensitive to the 77,000+ deaths and all they are concerned about is Ohana. 
    Yeah, I've decided to stay the F away from that thread. Sure, I'd love to see PJ....but going to a concert is the last thing on my mind right now.
    Be well, all.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,893
    brianlux said:
    My guess is that GA will come back. festivals will come back, and pretty much everything will come back but on a lower level of luxury.  Most of us in the first world have been living in a bubble of time that started just after WWII when wealth (at least relative wealth) and ease of living became common.  The coronavirus burst that bubble and we will not see it return to the level it had been before.  This was inevitable anyway because we in the first world have consumed more resources and energy than the planet could inevitably continue to sustain.  This pandemic, besides being the horrible disease it is, has ushered in a new, less affluent era.  This does not have to necessarily mean a lower quality of life.  In fact, if we learn to live within our means, more simply, more purely, more reasonable and more responsibly, it could usher in a much better era in human history.  If not, it may well lead to one of the most unsettled, strife ridden periods of human history.  The choice is ours.

    So...less affluent as in fewer $200 to $300 concert tickets?
    (Kudos to PJ keeping costs down).

    I never have nor would spend that kind of money to see anyone- short of God, maybe, and she'd better be the real deal!

    No, I mean less affluent in general. 
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • SHZASHZA Posts: 3,932
    pjl44 said:
    Very interesting 




    Based on antibody tests that have not yet proven to be reliable?

    Based on whether covid immunity has been proven to be attainable?

    A telling sentence in their abstract “ Individuals that are frailer, and therefore more susceptible or more exposed, have higher probabilities of being infected“
    That has not been proven true yet. They have a higher probability of dying, not of being infected.
    They may have a higher probability of infection. Something I came across earlier, apparently your body has mechanisms that can fight off viruses and prevent infection even if you're exposed. It may be the case that those systems are not as strong in frailer individuals. 

    "Step 2: Infection

    Now let’s imagine that through one of these means an infectious virus particle enters your body. You are not automatically infected. Your body has a number of defensive barriers to prevent infection."

    https://explaincovid.org/post/GBSWwq4H5qJcFcI5poBG

  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,586
    edited May 2020
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Very interesting 




    Based on antibody tests that have not yet proven to be reliable?

    Based on whether covid immunity has been proven to be attainable?

    A telling sentence in their abstract “ Individuals that are frailer, and therefore more susceptible or more exposed, have higher probabilities of being infected“
    That has not been proven true yet. They have a higher probability of dying, not of being infected.
    I have no expertise in epidemiology. Feel free to argue with the previous FDA commissioner on Twitter.

    Let’s hope he is not covid positive.
    Post edited by Lerxst1992 on
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,365
    https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1259272475600277504?s=21
    I guess you need this weapon for what exactly?

    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,433
    https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1259272475600277504?s=21
    I guess you need this weapon for what exactly?

    It is inert meaning it was fired before and no longer usable. Ridiculous that you can carry that around as a scare tactic used or not. What the fuck is wrong with people and how is this ok to walk into Subway with. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,586
    @pjl44 CDC position on covid immunity:

    ” An antibody test looks for the presence of antibodies, which are specific proteins made in response to infections. Antibodies can be found in the blood of people who are tested after infection and show that people have had an immune response to the infection. Antibody test results are especially important for detecting previous infections with few or no symptoms.

    However, we do not know if the antibodies that result from SARS-CoV-2 infection will provide someone with immunity from a future infection.”


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/serology-testing.html



  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,369
    @pjl44 CDC position on covid immunity:

    ” An antibody test looks for the presence of antibodies, which are specific proteins made in response to infections. Antibodies can be found in the blood of people who are tested after infection and show that people have had an immune response to the infection. Antibody test results are especially important for detecting previous infections with few or no symptoms.

    However, we do not know if the antibodies that result from SARS-CoV-2 infection will provide someone with immunity from a future infection.”


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/serology-testing.html



    Please direct your "well akshually" to Dr. Gottlieb 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,590
    https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1259272475600277504?s=21
    I guess you need this weapon for what exactly?

    He's also wearing cargo jeans
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,893
    mrussel1 said:
    https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1259272475600277504?s=21
    I guess you need this weapon for what exactly?

    He's also wearing cargo jeans

    "Is that a rocket in your pants or you just glad to see me."  she said. 
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,888
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,586
    pjl44 said:
    @pjl44 CDC position on covid immunity:

    ” An antibody test looks for the presence of antibodies, which are specific proteins made in response to infections. Antibodies can be found in the blood of people who are tested after infection and show that people have had an immune response to the infection. Antibody test results are especially important for detecting previous infections with few or no symptoms.

    However, we do not know if the antibodies that result from SARS-CoV-2 infection will provide someone with immunity from a future infection.”


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/serology-testing.html



    Please direct your "well akshually" to Dr. Gottlieb 

    Didn’t know Dr. G posted on AMT? I am just trying to understand what is up with this virus. Especially in the trump information, quality info is a challenge.
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    edited May 2020
    Context for the White House cases:  if the DC metro area, including parts of Maryland and Virginia, were a state (which some of us wish it were), we would rank 4th in the nation, more than even Michigan, which gets a lot of press. This, in spite of two governors and a mayor working together to take sensible, cautious steps to mitigate spread and re-open.

    Virus cases in Maryland, Virginia and D.C. top 60,000 as the region braces for a holiday weekend at home

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virus-cases-in-maryland-virginia-and-dc-top-60000-as-the-region-braces-for-a-holiday-weekend-at-home/2020/05/09/f11b1036-916b-11ea-a0bc-4e9ad4866d21_story.html

    Cases in the U.S.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
    Post edited by what dreams on
  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Northam will get my vote. I like what hes done.
    Charlottesville 2013
    Hampton 2016

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,590
    Northam will get my vote. I like what hes done.
    No reelection in Virginia,  remember.  I think this is the end of his political career. 
  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    edited May 2020
    Thats it..Im moving
    mrussel1 said:
    Northam will get my vote. I like what hes done.
    No reelection in Virginia,  remember.  I think this is the end of his political career. 


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    Hampton 2016

  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Need to move up the weed panel meetings..legalizing would create jobs and help get out of this economic hole we are digging..and make life a little more tolerable..
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    Hampton 2016

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,590
    Need to move up the weed panel meetings..legalizing would create jobs and help get out of this economic hole we are digging..and make life a little more tolerable..
    Agreed.  I felt like the study commission was weak sauce. I expected more movement this past session.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    pjl44 said:
    @pjl44 CDC position on covid immunity:

    ” An antibody test looks for the presence of antibodies, which are specific proteins made in response to infections. Antibodies can be found in the blood of people who are tested after infection and show that people have had an immune response to the infection. Antibody test results are especially important for detecting previous infections with few or no symptoms.

    However, we do not know if the antibodies that result from SARS-CoV-2 infection will provide someone with immunity from a future infection.”


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/serology-testing.html



    Please direct your "well akshually" to Dr. Gottlieb 

    Maybe on't post a tweet saying 'very interesting' if you have 0 interest in it.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,332
    US passed 80,000 deaths today. 

    I'm worried about where those numbers will be in a couple of weeks once the extent of opening up is known.

    A friend of mine had his parents stuck in Mexico since this started and they just came back this weekend. They had a layover in Dallas and said it almost looked like business as usual in the airport there. Very few masks and gloves and a packed airport and flight. Everyone was given a mask on the flight but once in the air most took off their masks.

    What could go wrong?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,888
    dignin said:
    US passed 80,000 deaths today. 

    I'm worried about where those numbers will be in a couple of weeks once the extent of opening up is known.

    A friend of mine had his parents stuck in Mexico since this started and they just came back this weekend. They had a layover in Dallas and said it almost looked like business as usual in the airport there. Very few masks and gloves and a packed airport and flight. Everyone was given a mask on the flight but once in the air most took off their masks.

    What could go wrong?
    Don’t want to sound alarmist but the modeler I heard and from which CNN interviewed has now predicted 137,000 dead by the end of July.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,369
    Smellyman said:
    pjl44 said:
    @pjl44 CDC position on covid immunity:

    ” An antibody test looks for the presence of antibodies, which are specific proteins made in response to infections. Antibodies can be found in the blood of people who are tested after infection and show that people have had an immune response to the infection. Antibody test results are especially important for detecting previous infections with few or no symptoms.

    However, we do not know if the antibodies that result from SARS-CoV-2 infection will provide someone with immunity from a future infection.”


    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/serology-testing.html



    Please direct your "well akshually" to Dr. Gottlieb 

    Maybe on't post a tweet saying 'very interesting' if you have 0 interest in it.
    I've been down similar roads with that guy one too many times 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,332
    dignin said:
    US passed 80,000 deaths today. 

    I'm worried about where those numbers will be in a couple of weeks once the extent of opening up is known.

    A friend of mine had his parents stuck in Mexico since this started and they just came back this weekend. They had a layover in Dallas and said it almost looked like business as usual in the airport there. Very few masks and gloves and a packed airport and flight. Everyone was given a mask on the flight but once in the air most took off their masks.

    What could go wrong?
    Don’t want to sound alarmist but the modeler I heard and from which CNN interviewed has now predicted 137,000 dead by the end of July.
    That may be optimistic. Guess we will see. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,439

    Coronavirus: Industrial animal farming has caused most new infectious diseases and risks more pandemics, experts warn


    Industrial animal farming has caused most new infectious diseases in humans in the past decade – and risks starting new pandemics as animal markets have done, experts are warning.

    Experts from both the UN and the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) have pinpointed animals or food of animal origin as a starting point for emerging diseases, such as Covid-19, which has killed more than 270,000 people worldwide.

    And a separate report has cautioned that replacing Asia’s open-air slaughter markets with factory farming for meat would create similarly dangerous conditions for highly virulent flu strains to breed.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/coronavirus-meat-animal-farming-pandemic-disease-wet-markets-a9505626.html?fbclid=IwAR2Fdg9JF1REMgdhiC1MZNXyLbWGTNvVuPloTDFJEKShUz0rl7BrKsgQNUI
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  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    Aside from the virus, the incidents in Germany are now really worrying.

    Many people are already behaving as if nothing has happened.
    The craziest conspiracy theories are on the way and are being systematically distributed to set people to fight. The demonstrations are piling up and apparently most of the reasons are weak and people are just rehearsing the uprising.
    One group is now called "Resistance".

    WTF is wrong with people??? ... as if we weren't already having enough problems. And of course the number of infections increases again. People are just so selfish - and stupid! 
  • JPPJ84JPPJ84 Posts: 3,464
    kce8 said:
    Aside from the virus, the incidents in Germany are now really worrying.

    Many people are already behaving as if nothing has happened.
    The craziest conspiracy theories are on the way and are being systematically distributed to set people to fight. The demonstrations are piling up and apparently most of the reasons are weak and people are just rehearsing the uprising.
    One group is now called "Resistance".

    WTF is wrong with people??? ... as if we weren't already having enough problems. And of course the number of infections increases again. People are just so selfish - and stupid! 
    Exactly right. It’s unbelievable how dumb people can be 
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