"Gigaton" and its tracks on the charts
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Sam Goody was the local record store at the mall in Brooklyn where I grew up, but when I was frequenting it in the early '80s, I was strictly buying LPs and 45s. By the time I started buying CDs, I usually went to a place called Nobody Beats The Wiz where the typical prices were $7.99 LP and $11.99 CD (even though the typical "list price" for CDs was $18.98). When I would occasionally get to Sam Goody in those later years, I was amazed to see what they were charging for CDs and wondered how The Wiz could sell them for so much less.
Sam Goody will always have a special place in my heart because, in an era when Billboard magazine was a mystical object that I had never actually seen in reality but heard about every week on America's Top 40 (and the TV show America's Top 10), Sam Goody would tear out the Hot 100 and post it on the wall next to the 45s. I used to go in there and copy it down every chance I got in the early '80s. I finally got my hands on a copy of Billboard in 1986 and it was revelatory.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
I loved the Wiz. Bought so many cds (and Tower) and electronics there.I miss igotid880
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I don't think the number is anyhere near there (unless there are over 100k who forgot they have an auto payment lol). Lightning Bolt sold 160k in its first week and they were not all fan club members. So I doubt they haven gained hundreds of thousands of Ten Club members since then.BF25394 said:
Right, but the Ten Club member numbers are in the 600,000s now. So 200,000 active members was a guesstimate.The Juggler said:
I don't think there are anywhere near 200,000 active members...BF25394 said:One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan. If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000. Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP. If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail. It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.
There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited. I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon). Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.
The tenclub numbers are probably reflective of how many have ever been in the fanclub, not who is currently still in it...
I'd bet the number is less than 50,000.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
There's an open question about whether direct Ten Club sales are reported to SoundScan, so 160,000 sales of Lightning Bolt might reflect only retail sales (including online retailers that report to Soundscan). If so, the actual sales total wouldn't tell us anything about the membership of the Ten Club.Haijay said:The Juggler said:
I don't think the number is anyhere near there (unless there are over 100k who forgot they have an auto payment lol). Lightning Bolt sold 160k in its first week and they were not all fan club members. So I doubt they haven gained hundreds of thousands of Ten Club members since then.BF25394 said:
Right, but the Ten Club member numbers are in the 600,000s now. So 200,000 active members was a guesstimate.The Juggler said:
I don't think there are anywhere near 200,000 active members...BF25394 said:One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan. If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000. Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP. If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail. It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.
There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited. I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon). Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.
The tenclub numbers are probably reflective of how many have ever been in the fanclub, not who is currently still in it...
I'd bet the number is less than 50,000.
And noooo-body beats me!I’M THE WIZ, I’M THE WIZ😂😂
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I have a hard time believing Ten Club sales won't report to soundscan. Wouldn't that be the same with other bands' fan clubs too then? Seems like an excuse to me...BF25394 said:
There's an open question about whether direct Ten Club sales are reported to SoundScan, so 160,000 sales of Lightning Bolt might reflect only retail sales (including online retailers that report to Soundscan). If so, the actual sales total wouldn't tell us anything about the membership of the Ten Club.Haijay said:The Juggler said:
I don't think the number is anyhere near there (unless there are over 100k who forgot they have an auto payment lol). Lightning Bolt sold 160k in its first week and they were not all fan club members. So I doubt they haven gained hundreds of thousands of Ten Club members since then.BF25394 said:
Right, but the Ten Club member numbers are in the 600,000s now. So 200,000 active members was a guesstimate.The Juggler said:
I don't think there are anywhere near 200,000 active members...BF25394 said:One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan. If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000. Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP. If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail. It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.
There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited. I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon). Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.
The tenclub numbers are probably reflective of how many have ever been in the fanclub, not who is currently still in it...
I'd bet the number is less than 50,000.
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I'm certainly not making any excuses. I have no vested interest in this. I am just offering an explanation for what seems to me to be a lower number than I would expect given what I know about the band's sales history and the size of its fan club. Each fan club is its own entity. Whether it makes the necessary arrangements to report sales will vary. If the band doesn't care about chart placement, its fan club would have less incentive to report that data.The Juggler said:
I have a hard time believing Ten Club sales won't report to soundscan. Wouldn't that be the same with other bands' fan clubs too then? Seems like an excuse to me...BF25394 said:
There's an open question about whether direct Ten Club sales are reported to SoundScan, so 160,000 sales of Lightning Bolt might reflect only retail sales (including online retailers that report to Soundscan). If so, the actual sales total wouldn't tell us anything about the membership of the Ten Club.Haijay said:The Juggler said:
I don't think the number is anyhere near there (unless there are over 100k who forgot they have an auto payment lol). Lightning Bolt sold 160k in its first week and they were not all fan club members. So I doubt they haven gained hundreds of thousands of Ten Club members since then.BF25394 said:
Right, but the Ten Club member numbers are in the 600,000s now. So 200,000 active members was a guesstimate.The Juggler said:
I don't think there are anywhere near 200,000 active members...BF25394 said:One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan. If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000. Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP. If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail. It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.
There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited. I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon). Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.
The tenclub numbers are probably reflective of how many have ever been in the fanclub, not who is currently still in it...
I'd bet the number is less than 50,000.
And noooo-body beats me!I’M THE WIZ, I’M THE WIZ😂😂
It's also unclear what the mechanism for reporting fan-club sales would be. Soundscan generally captures data at the point of sale through UPC scans. Soundscan has no way to audit self-reported data from an artist, as far as I know.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
Hard to compete with The Weekend as he did a surprise album drop and “ Escape From LA” is a killer track.
And now Drake dropped “Tootsie Slide” (which is blowing up Tik Toc and IG).. what can you do if your Pearl Jam?London Ontario 2013, Buffalo New York 2013, Lincoln Nebraska 2014, Quebec City 20160 -
You lead with Quick Escape and promote the hell out of it to radio, media and tv.hsohi said:Hard to compete with The Weekend as he did a surprise album drop and “ Escape From LA” is a killer track.
And now Drake dropped “Tootsie Slide” (which is blowing up Tik Toc and IG).. what can you do if your Pearl Jam?0 -
The Weeknd's album dropped a week earlier than Gigaton; the Drake song dropped a week later than Gigaton. So PJ is competing against a weakened Weeknd (see what I did there) in his second week and not competing at all with Drake, at least for the first week. (And "Tootsie Slide" is a single not contained on any album, so it will have no impact on the Billboard 200 or the Top Album Sales chart. And the only radio stations that would even consider playing a new Pearl Jam song are rock stations, which don't have the audience of the top 40 stations that will play Drake. There is nothing PJ can do to compete with Drake or the Weeknd in 2020 in terms of airplay or streaming. No amount of promotion would change that.) Having said that, a second-week Weeknd is still going to get streams that Pearl Jam will never get. In terms of actual sales, Pearl Jam's first-week total will dwarf the Weeknd's second-week total. The only act likely to outsell PJ this week is 5 Seconds of Summer.hsohi said:Hard to compete with The Weekend as he did a surprise album drop and “ Escape From LA” is a killer track.
And now Drake dropped “Tootsie Slide” (which is blowing up Tik Toc and IG).. what can you do if your Pearl Jam?
Official numbers for the week from Friday through Thursday showed a total of 747,000 physical album sales in the U.S., which is the lowest total since the Soundscan era began in 1991 and a drop of 23.7 percent from last week. That is definitely a function of the shutdown. To put that total in perspective, Adele's 25 sold 3.4 million copies by itself during its first week of release in 2015. All albums combined sold about one-fifth of that total in the past week.Post edited by BF25394 onI gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
I agree with everything BF2935 said. I guess my point was that we should be just happy PJ is still around, although the music has been nothing special lately. They can no longer compete head to head with new acts which is natural, happens to everyone.
Drake’s new song is a cultural phenomenon captivating youth and young adults. Drake can do no wrong and his numbers over the years prove it.London Ontario 2013, Buffalo New York 2013, Lincoln Nebraska 2014, Quebec City 20160 -
I don't get Drake. Everyone else yes. But not Drakehsohi said:I agree with everything BF2935 said. I guess my point was that we should be just happy PJ is still around, although the music has been nothing special lately. They can no longer compete head to head with new acts which is natural, happens to everyone.
Drake’s new song is a cultural phenomenon captivating youth and young adults. Drake can do no wrong and his numbers over the years prove it.I miss igotid880 -
Taking forever for the final numbers to come outI miss igotid880
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Sorry but Drake blows.0
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His lyrics - wittyigotid88 said:
I don't get Drake. Everyone else yes. But not Drakehsohi said:I agree with everything BF2935 said. I guess my point was that we should be just happy PJ is still around, although the music has been nothing special lately. They can no longer compete head to head with new acts which is natural, happens to everyone.
Drake’s new song is a cultural phenomenon captivating youth and young adults. Drake can do no wrong and his numbers over the years prove it.
His beats - catchy
His vocal cadence - incredible
I’m saying “his” but yes I know others are helping.London Ontario 2013, Buffalo New York 2013, Lincoln Nebraska 2014, Quebec City 20160 -
Apparently, the race for No. 1 between The Weeknd and 5 Seconds of Summer is very close and they are checking the numbers very closely. Gigaton looks like it's headed for No. 5 on the Billboard 200 and No. 2 on Top Album Sales.igotid88 said:Taking forever for the final numbers to come out
As for Drake, I truly do not get it. Lyrics, voice, music-- none of it is interesting.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
Dua Lipa had her album selling for $3.99 yesterday on Amazon. That probably helped propel it past GigatonBF25394 said:
Apparently, the race for No. 1 between The Weeknd and 5 Seconds of Summer is very close and they are checking the numbers very closely. Gigaton looks like it's headed for No. 5 on the Billboard 200 and No. 2 on Top Album Sales.igotid88 said:Taking forever for the final numbers to come out
As for Drake, I truly do not get it. Lyrics, voice, music-- none of it is interesting.I miss igotid880 -
I know Pearl Jam will be #1 in actual hold in your hand physical sales.I miss igotid880
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I don't know-- I saw some lunatic teenager on Twitter showing off about 27 physical copies of the 5SOS album that she bought. She even bought about eight copies on cassette.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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