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"Gigaton" and its tracks on the charts

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,458
    So alternative adults love them some Dance of the Clairvoyants. 

    What is that, like the Spectrum on Sirius or something?
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    edited March 2020
    So alternative adults love them some Dance of the Clairvoyants. 

    What is that, like the Spectrum on Sirius or something?
    Yes. Damn Nathaniel Rateliff keeping them from their 3rd #1
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,851
    edited March 2020
    So alternative adults love them some Dance of the Clairvoyants. 

    What is that, like the Spectrum on Sirius or something?
    No, it's a very small panel of radio stations like KFOG in San Francisco, about 30 stations in total if I recall correctly.  To put it in perspective, a few weeks ago (the last time I looked at this particular bit of data), the most-played song at Triple-A was spun a total of 579 times in a week.*  The most-played song at CHR (contemporary hit radio a.k.a. "top 40") was spun over 18,000 times in a week (because there are many more CHR stations, generally at least two in every major market).

    *So you can estimate that "Dance of the Clairvoyants" was played about 500 times in aggregate on these radio stations last week.  Having a hit at Triple A is like being a big fish in a very small pond.  (Although it's worth noting that the Hot 100 is so skewed to streaming now that it is not exactly representative of what people are listening to.  The number one song for the last 11 weeks has been Roddy Ricch's "The Box."  I regularly ask people from their 20s through their 60s what they think of this song, and almost none of them has ever heard of it or of Ricch.  The Hot 100 is weighted about 82 percent to streaming even though the radio audience is still larger than the streaming audience.  It's crazy.  It's supposed to be an all-genre chart that casts a wide net, but instead it has ended up very narrowly reflecting younger and more urban (i.e., cities-- not "urban" as code for "black" as used in other radio contexts like "urban contemporary") listeners' tastes.
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    He was looking for an example. And the Spectrum is or at least close to a Triple A station 
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    mshnaydermshnayder Posts: 83
    Did charts update today?
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    edited March 2020
    Dance dropped to #3 on Triple A. 
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,851
    edited March 2020
    Updated for week ending April 4, 2020.

    Album's release will impact next week's charts.  The album looks like it will debut at No. 2 on Top Album Sales (behind 5 Seconds of Summer), although there is a chance it could debut at No. 1.  The album will likely debut on the Billboard 200 (which incorporates streaming, not just sales) anywhere from No. 4 to No. 7.

    Not including Ten, no Pearl Jam studio album has peaked below No. 5 (Riot Act).  So there's a chance this could be Pearl Jam's lowest-charting studio album.  However, bear in mind that every other Pearl Jam studio album debuted before the Billboard 200 factored in streaming, so the real analogue is the Top Album Sales chart, on which Gigaton will definitely debut no lower than No. 2.

    Unfortunately, the Billboard 200 formula disadvantages artists who sell disproportionately more physical albums, which includes rock artists.  Rock accounted for over 40 percent of physical album sales in 2019.  The problem is that there is no way for Billboard to track how many times you listen to your CD or vinyl copy of the album.  All they can do is count one sale.  For genres that are more heavily streamed (e.g., hip-hop and pop), each stream is tracked for every album track.  As a result, Pearl Jam is going to sell at least 50 times as many copies of Gigaton as Lil Uzi Vert will sell of his new album this week, but Lil Uzi Vert's album will rank higher because he will have about four times as many streams as Pearl Jam, and streams are weighted more heavily than sales.

    Projected Billboard 200:
    1. The Weeknd, After Hours: 85-90k total units, 9-12k sales
    2. 5 Seconds of Summer, Calm: 75-80k, 60-65k
    3. Lil Uzi Vert, Eternal Atake: 75-80k, 1k
    4. Pearl Jam, Gigaton: 55-60k, 50-55k
    5. Dua Lipa, Future Nostalgia: 55-60k, 15-18k
    6. Partynextdoor, Partymobile: 50-55k, 3-4k
    7. Lil Baby, My Turn: 50-55k, 1-2k
    8. Bad Bunny, YHLQMDLG: 45-50k, <1k
    9. Roddy Ricch, Please Excuse Me for Being Antisocial: 37-42k, <1k
    10. Post Malone, Hollywood's Bleeding: 35-40k, 1k

    Projected Top Album Sales:
    1. 5 Seconds of Summer: 60-65k
    2. Pearl Jam: 50-55k
    3. Dua Lipa: 15-18k
    4. Joyner Lucas, ADHD: 10-13k
    5. The Weeknd: 9-12k

    With respect to first-week performance, here it is for each studio album:

    Ten: did not chart upon release
    Vs.: #1
    Vitalogy: #55*
    No Code: #1
    Yield: #2
    Binaural: #2
    Riot Act: #5
    Pearl Jam: #2
    Backspacer: #1
    Lightning Bolt: #1

    Vitalogy debuted at #55 based solely on vinyl sales.  The vinyl was released two weeks before the CD.  In the second week of vinyl-only release, it fell to #173.  In the first week of CD availability (and third week overall on the chart), the album jumped to #1.

    Note: All of the debuts listed above were peaks for the respective albums, except Vitalogy (for the reasons described above) and Ten (which eventually reached #2 when it charted).

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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    I wonder how many were vinyl sales? I think COVID_19 hurt. Because people weren't able to go to their record stores. Those that don't stream 
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,851
    Hopefully, I'll get the vinyl number next week.  You're probably right about COVID-19.
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,660
    Think i read that physical sales were down 40%. 

    In the streaming age i dont even understand the charts anymore.  
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    Think i read that physical sales were down 40%. 

    In the streaming age i dont even understand the charts anymore.  
    It definitely helps the young artists. They don't have to pay. Some might have a subscription but don't really need.
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    The fact that The Who sold 89k their first week. And PJ might not get to 60k. 
    These projections were from Monday. So what's the likelihood we can make that number go higher? I did my part
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,660
    igotid88 said:
    The fact that The Who sold 89k their first week. And PJ might not get to 60k. 
    These projections were from Monday. So what's the likelihood we can make that number go higher? I did my part
    In a non COVID19 world Pearl Jam top 100k. The country is on lockdown.  Half the country has all non-grocery stores closed.  They already said its a 40% drop in all physical sales across the board. 
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,851
    One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan.  If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000.  Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP.  If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail.  It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.

    There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited.  I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon).  Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.

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    vitovito Chicago Posts: 1,844
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    igotid88 said:
    The fact that The Who sold 89k their first week. And PJ might not get to 60k. 
    These projections were from Monday. So what's the likelihood we can make that number go higher? I did my part

    Let me first just say these are my 2 favorite bands. The Who will always be #1 cause of PT with PJ #2. As for why the Who beat PJ in first week sales was one PT and RD were doing promtional press for 2 months before the release of the album, PJ nothing! Secondly it was almost 15 years between Who albums and there's no doubt it's their last. Both albums are great and neither toured while they were released, the Who's 1st leg was already well over and obviously PJ's postponed. EV needed to make himself available for the press, if 2 guys in their mid 70's could do it then he certainly could've. Just my 2 cents.
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
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    BF25394 said:
    One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan.  If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000.  Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP.  If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail.  It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.

    There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited.  I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon).  Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.

    That's what I wondered as well. Although some are overseas members and those don't count for U.S. sales. Also how many if any canceled orders on Amazon when they saw it wasn't coming in time or just needed that extra cash? Then again there are ten club members who didn't know there was a tour. Also people were scared off because of the price

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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    edited April 2020
    Need SBWM to enter the Alternative chart. They're 2 behind U2 for the most entries
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    mshnaydermshnayder Posts: 83
    Another factor to consider for the Billboard charts is that these days most artists tie their albums to their concert ticket sales which obviously Pearl Jam doesn't do. So for instance, this past week a good portion of the Weeknd's album "sales" came from people who bought tickets to his concert and got the album free with it. 
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    paul_jampaul_jam Posts: 20
    Don't know why I should care about album sales at all....but I do, lol.  *shakes fist*
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    mshnayder said:
    Another factor to consider for the Billboard charts is that these days most artists tie their albums to their concert ticket sales which obviously Pearl Jam doesn't do. So for instance, this past week a good portion of the Weeknd's album "sales" came from people who bought tickets to his concert and got the album free with it. 
    I thought Billboard was not going to count that anymore. But that is the case.
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,473
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    edited April 2020
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 

    This is for U.S.. It might be #1 in other countries 
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    vedpunkvedpunk Posts: 859
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,543
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
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    vedpunkvedpunk Posts: 859
    edited April 2020
    igotid88 said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
    Huge opportunity to hit the masses on late night tv and web concerts while so many people are trapped at home.  But that’s not their MO.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,473
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    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 

    This is for U.S.. It might be #1 in other countries 
    We are only in the first year of this decade.

    More chances to be number 1.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,473
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
    Huge opportunity to hit the masses on late night tv and web concerts while so many people are trapped at home.  But that’s not their MO.
    Look at the percentages of who's watching till the end of late night talk shows. 

    The youtube upload of the performance would still be the thing to get eyeballs. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    vedpunkvedpunk Posts: 859
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
    Huge opportunity to hit the masses on late night tv and web concerts while so many people are trapped at home.  But that’s not their MO.
    Look at the percentages of who's watching till the end of late night talk shows. 

    The youtube upload of the performance would still be the thing to get eyeballs. 
    The late night performance would put them in the news and on the internet and would be used as a marketing tool to get people to care and actually go to the YouTube video  (and possible pick up the album)
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