"Gigaton" and its tracks on the charts

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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,793
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,659
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
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  • igotid88
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    edited April 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 

    This is for U.S.. It might be #1 in other countries 
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  • vedpunk
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    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
  • igotid88
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  • igotid88
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    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
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  • vedpunk
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    edited April 2020
    igotid88 said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
    Huge opportunity to hit the masses on late night tv and web concerts while so many people are trapped at home.  But that’s not their MO.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,659
    edited April 2020
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 

    This is for U.S.. It might be #1 in other countries 
    We are only in the first year of this decade.

    More chances to be number 1.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,659
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
    Huge opportunity to hit the masses on late night tv and web concerts while so many people are trapped at home.  But that’s not their MO.
    Look at the percentages of who's watching till the end of late night talk shows. 

    The youtube upload of the performance would still be the thing to get eyeballs. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • vedpunk
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
    Huge opportunity to hit the masses on late night tv and web concerts while so many people are trapped at home.  But that’s not their MO.
    Look at the percentages of who's watching till the end of late night talk shows. 

    The youtube upload of the performance would still be the thing to get eyeballs. 
    The late night performance would put them in the news and on the internet and would be used as a marketing tool to get people to care and actually go to the YouTube video  (and possible pick up the album)
  • igotid88
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    edited April 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 

    This is for U.S.. It might be #1 in other countries 
    We are only in the first year of this decade.

    More chances to be number 1.
    Obviously. But this album has been well received. And only managed 55-60k in its first week. I hope I'm wrong
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    vedpunk said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    vedpunk said:
    igotid88 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    igotid88 said:
    Guess having a #1 album in 4 different decades won't happen
    How do you know that?
    Well for now it won't. But usually sales drop the 2nd week by at least 50% if you're lucky.  They won't stream. Stores are still closed. There's a chance they could have an uptick once everything is back to normal and they play an SNL or something. 
    Loving the album but I’m not surprised sales are so low due to COVID-19 and little to no promotion.  At least the friends I share the album with are really digging it too.
    They are promoting it. But it's not reaching the casual fan or possible new fans. But the streaming is what hurts
    Huge opportunity to hit the masses on late night tv and web concerts while so many people are trapped at home.  But that’s not their MO.
    Look at the percentages of who's watching till the end of late night talk shows. 

    The youtube upload of the performance would still be the thing to get eyeballs. 
    The late night performance would put them in the news and on the internet and would be used as a marketing tool to get people to care and actually go to the YouTube video  (and possible pick up the album)
    I agree. The social media stuff was kinda cool. But when you're putting out your first album out in 7 years and do hardly no major press, what more do you expect? 

    If they wanted to sell the album, they would've been on tv. I was hoping for a Stern interview as well. Obviously Corona happened, but they could've been doing things prior to the last few weeks. 

    It's a shame. I was hoping for a number 1 album too. Weird time. Maybe the next one...
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  • The Juggler
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    BF25394 said:
    One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan.  If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000.  Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP.  If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail.  It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.

    There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited.  I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon).  Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.

    I don't think there are anywhere near 200,000 active members...

    The tenclub numbers are probably reflective of how many have ever been in the fanclub, not who is currently still in it...
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  • igotid88
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  • BF25394
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    The Juggler said:
    BF25394 said:
    One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan.  If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000.  Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP.  If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail.  It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.

    There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited.  I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon).  Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.

    I don't think there are anywhere near 200,000 active members...

    The tenclub numbers are probably reflective of how many have ever been in the fanclub, not who is currently still in it...

    Right, but the Ten Club member numbers are in the 600,000s now.  So 200,000 active members was a guesstimate.
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  • BF25394
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    Late-night TV show appearances do not really move the needle all that much.  If Gigaton is going to end up 5,000 units behind 5SOS for No. 1 on Top Album Sales, then maybe a perfectly timed, high-profile appearance on a show with a relatively large audience like Saturday Night Live might have made up the difference-- but it wouldn't generate another 20,000 or 50,000 in sales.
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  • BF25394
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    mshnayder said:
    Another factor to consider for the Billboard charts is that these days most artists tie their albums to their concert ticket sales which obviously Pearl Jam doesn't do. So for instance, this past week a good portion of the Weeknd's album "sales" came from people who bought tickets to his concert and got the album free with it. 
    Not most.  Some.  Actually, very few.  But 5 Seconds of Summer is also benefiting from this (although they are simultaneously losing "first-week" sales because of street-date violations that pulled some sales forward into the week before release).

    Was The Who album part of a ticket bundle?  Because that would go a long way toward explaining an otherwise surprisingly high first-week sales total?
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  • BF25394
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    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan.  If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000.  Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP.  If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail.  It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.

    There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited.  I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon).  Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.

    That's what I wondered as well. Although some are overseas members and those don't count for U.S. sales. Also how many if any canceled orders on Amazon when they saw it wasn't coming in time or just needed that extra cash? Then again there are ten club members who didn't know there was a tour. Also people were scared off because of the price

    No fooling.  I thought the $15.99 the Ten Club charged for the CD was high (not to mention $34.99 for the LP), but I picked up my "travel copy" at Target today and it was $17.99.  I have never paid that much for a single, standard CD in my entire life.  (I paid more than that for the most recent Tool CD, but that was a specialty package with a built-in video player.)
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  • GlowGirl
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    BF25394 said:
    mshnayder said:
    Another factor to consider for the Billboard charts is that these days most artists tie their albums to their concert ticket sales which obviously Pearl Jam doesn't do. So for instance, this past week a good portion of the Weeknd's album "sales" came from people who bought tickets to his concert and got the album free with it. 
    Not most.  Some.  Actually, very few.  But 5 Seconds of Summer is also benefiting from this (although they are simultaneously losing "first-week" sales because of street-date violations that pulled some sales forward into the week before release).

    Was The Who album part of a ticket bundle?  Because that would go a long way toward explaining an otherwise surprisingly high first-week sales total?
    The Who album was part of a ticket bundle. The CD was sent to me after I bought tickets to their show.

  • igotid88
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    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    One other factor in this is that it's not entirely clear whether the Ten Club reports its direct-to-members sales to Soundscan.  If the Ten Club does report its sales, I have trouble figuring how the total sales number would be as low as 50-55,000.  Many members of the Ten Club (including me) buy the album in two formats, CD and LP.  If there are 200,000 active members of the Ten Club, you would get to 50-55,000 if only 25-27.5 percent of members bought a copy-- and that's without selling a single copy at retail.  It would reflect an even smaller percentage considering that many Ten Club members buy two formats.

    There are so few retailers who still sell albums that the impact of store shutdowns may be limited.  I suspect that the majority of retail sales are through online orders (e.g., Amazon).  Many independent record stores are not set up to report to Soundscan, so those sales won't be captured and, relatively speaking, they account for more and more of brick-and-mortar sales with Best Buy, Target and other big retailers shrinking their music departments.

    That's what I wondered as well. Although some are overseas members and those don't count for U.S. sales. Also how many if any canceled orders on Amazon when they saw it wasn't coming in time or just needed that extra cash? Then again there are ten club members who didn't know there was a tour. Also people were scared off because of the price

    No fooling.  I thought the $15.99 the Ten Club charged for the CD was high (not to mention $34.99 for the LP), but I picked up my "travel copy" at Target today and it was $17.99.  I have never paid that much for a single, standard CD in my entire life.  (I paid more than that for the most recent Tool CD, but that was a specialty package with a built-in video player.)
    You obviously never bought one at Sam Goody or the like
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