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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    cincybearcat said:
    An unintended consequence of Gov DeWine push to talk Coronavirus and prepare prepare prepare has been the complete and utter lack of care for individuals in need of medical attention right now for things other than coronavirus.

    My mother fell and broke her leg last week.  She was in hospital, but they decided not to do surgery right away and get her out cause of coronavirus.  A little premature in reality.  Well, they moved her to a "rehab" facility.  Only, since they are clearing wings of the hospital many people are being moved, including the mentally ill.  She is basically in an insane asylum that is on lockdown with no guests.  She has had 2 different men enter her room a total of 5 times.  The one was incoherent.  Took the staff 22 minutes to come to her room.  The second man was screaming at her to get out of his house and where was his wife.  3 times in one night with that fellow.  Staff not responding fast nor really fixing the problem.  These are staff that are not prepared to deal with the psych ward patients.  But, they aren't even meeting the base expectation of keeping people safe.  There is some more, and she has only been there less than a week.

    I wish we could actually balance our approach appropriately.  Ignoring it does't work.  Neglecting care for those that need it to prepare for something that isn;t there yet doesn;t work either.  Not allowing visitors allows these facilities to get away with not providing basic needs.  I have no idea what to do.

    So yeah, fuck the chinese government and fuck Trump for downplaying and fuck all those that dramatize it for 24 hour news coverage while we as a society continue to fuck over others that actually need our help today, this very instance.  

    I'm really sorry to hear this Cincy.  I hope your mother heals quickly and well and gets moved to a better place.  Good thought going out for her and you.
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    You don’t have to trust China’s numbers to know that they had no where near 20 million deaths. You can trust, mistrust or completely disregard - it makes no difference. Why? Simple logic. We have ample information from
    every other country in the world that is dealing with this, and even those who have done a piss-poor job have no where near those death rates. Will the rates get to that eventually? Maybe, especially if we never get a vaccine or good treatments, but there is essentially zero chance that China has that many deaths in three or four months. It is almost certain they didn’t even have anywhere near one million. So you’re going to have to look else where for the reasons for those cell phone numbers, and that comes back to the economy. 
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited April 2020
    I wonder how cell phone plans work in China.  If they have a high percentage of prepaid, burner style usage, 20 million fewer users in an economic downturn doesn't sound outrageous.  I just did the math, and (assuming I did the math right, and that's one big ass) that's .0125% of the 1.6 billion cell phone users in China.  Even without a "high" % of prepaid users that doesn't sound crazy.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    oftenreading said:
    You don’t have to trust China’s numbers to know that they had no where near 20 million deaths. You can trust, mistrust or completely disregard - it makes no difference. Why? Simple logic. We have ample information from
    every other country in the world that is dealing with this, and even those who have done a piss-poor job have no where near those death rates. Will the rates get to that eventually? Maybe, especially if we never get a vaccine or good treatments, but there is essentially zero chance that China has that many deaths in three or four months. It is almost certain they didn’t even have anywhere near one million. So you’re going to have to look else where for the reasons for those cell phone numbers, and that comes back to the economy. 
    Yeah, even China couldn't hide 20 million dead bodies.  Satellites would pick up the activity of storing, transporting, and disposal of even a fraction of that.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    My first impression on the cell phones (if accurate) wasn’t that 20 million died, but the China destroyed/disabled them to prevent the spread of information.
    I don’t see it being unfathomable that 20 million were infected and 300k died or something.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    My first impression on the cell phones (if accurate) wasn’t that 20 million died, but the China destroyed/disabled them to prevent the spread of information.
    I don’t see it being unfathomable that 20 million were infected and 300k died or something.
    China has more cell phones than it has people. 20 million is a drop in the bucket. Unlikely that this is the explanation. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    Part of the drop could be caused by migrant workers -- who often have one subscription for where they work and another for their home region -- canceling their work-region account after the virus prevented them from returning to work after the Lunar New Year holidays that began in late January, said Chris Lane, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.

    /.../

    While the drop in users is unusual, the total is small relative to total wireless subscriptions which have risen to a combined 1.6 billion for the three carriers.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    rgambs said:
    I wonder how cell phone plans work in China.  If they have a high percentage of prepaid, burner style usage, 20 million fewer users in an economic downturn doesn't sound outrageous.  I just did the math, and (assuming I did the math right, and that's one big ass) that's less than 2% of the 1.6 billion cell phone users in China.  Even without a "high" % of prepaid users that doesn't sound crazy.
    Apparently most people have at least two phones, personal and work, and many have even more. There are also many that aren’t even legit accounts but more for bots and other forms of influence. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    rgambs said:
    I wonder how cell phone plans work in China.  If they have a high percentage of prepaid, burner style usage, 20 million fewer users in an economic downturn doesn't sound outrageous.  I just did the math, and (assuming I did the math right, and that's one big ass) that's .0125% of the 1.6 billion cell phone users in China.  Even without a "high" % of prepaid users that doesn't sound crazy.

    I wonder how you text in Mandarin. 
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    brianlux said:
    rgambs said:
    I wonder how cell phone plans work in China.  If they have a high percentage of prepaid, burner style usage, 20 million fewer users in an economic downturn doesn't sound outrageous.  I just did the math, and (assuming I did the math right, and that's one big ass) that's .0125% of the 1.6 billion cell phone users in China.  Even without a "high" % of prepaid users that doesn't sound crazy.

    I wonder how you text in Mandarin. 
    ? 

    Same way you text in any other language. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,681
    I ask everyone here and please kinow I hate the way China conducts itself on the world stage ,but looking at the numbers that could happen here 100k dead would everyone here oppose such measures if we were told only 20k would perish from this..im not sure were I fall on this 
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  • CM189191
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    rgambs said:
    I wonder how cell phone plans work in China.  If they have a high percentage of prepaid, burner style usage, 20 million fewer users in an economic downturn doesn't sound outrageous.  I just did the math, and (assuming I did the math right, and that's one big ass) that's .0125% of the 1.6 billion cell phone users in China.  Even without a "high" % of prepaid users that doesn't sound crazy.

    I wonder how you text in Mandarin. 
    ? 

    Same way you text in any other language. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    oftenreading said:
    rgambs said:
    I wonder how cell phone plans work in China.  If they have a high percentage of prepaid, burner style usage, 20 million fewer users in an economic downturn doesn't sound outrageous.  I just did the math, and (assuming I did the math right, and that's one big ass) that's less than 2% of the 1.6 billion cell phone users in China.  Even without a "high" % of prepaid users that doesn't sound crazy.
    Apparently most people have at least two phones, personal and work, and many have even more. There are also many that aren’t even legit accounts but more for bots and other forms of influence. 
    I figured most people would have 2 phones.

    Just something I wanted to point out.  It by no way means that all these people perished.  It is something that could be correlated with it though.

    The satellite theory from Rgambs is an interesting thought too.
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    mickeyrat said:
    I am seeing 5 or 6 new york plated vehicles headed west every night. last couple of days with uhaul equipment too.   

    and that's just between columbus and indy on I-70

    Not cool..isnt that risking a spread of this crud?  Do you need to be tested before leaving?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    rgambs said:
    I wonder how cell phone plans work in China.  If they have a high percentage of prepaid, burner style usage, 20 million fewer users in an economic downturn doesn't sound outrageous.  I just did the math, and (assuming I did the math right, and that's one big ass) that's .0125% of the 1.6 billion cell phone users in China.  Even without a "high" % of prepaid users that doesn't sound crazy.

    I wonder how you text in Mandarin. 
    ? 

    Same way you text in any other language. 
    But don’t they have hundreds of character? I’ve wondered the same.
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    2 questions for anyone here who may know the answers.

    1.  Can N95 masks be re-used?  I have two leftover from a household project.  Only needed use would be as my wife or I go to the store.  I assume letting it sit in the garage after use for a number of days before next use would be acceptable practice. 

    2.  Does anyone know where surgical (non N95) masks can be purchased these days from a reputable source?  Everything on Amazon seems to be potentially bogus.  Maybe these are impossible to get at the moment.  I'm not sure.

    Thanks for any feedback.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    bbiggs said:
    2 questions for anyone here who may know the answers.

    1.  Can N95 masks be re-used?  I have two leftover from a household project.  Only needed use would be as my wife or I go to the store.  I assume letting it sit in the garage after use for a number of days before next use would be acceptable practice. 

    2.  Does anyone know where surgical (non N95) masks can be purchased these days from a reputable source?  Everything on Amazon seems to be potentially bogus.  Maybe these are impossible to get at the moment.  I'm not sure.

    Thanks for any feedback.
    Hey - while normally no on reuse, they are relaxing the guidelines.  So, in reality, if you can breath through it ok and it is not contaminated on the mouth side at all, yes you can reuse during these times.  If it becomes hard to breath, then it's too "clogged" and should be thrown away.

    Surgical masks - you are doing just as well making your own fabric mask if you can.  Nothing special about those surgical masks.  The ones used in hospitals are special, they are N95 and have certain fluid resistance as well.  I do not know where to get them at this time.
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    ^ Thanks for the response.  I'll re-use the N95 until it clogs.  Time frame for usage should be no more than 30 minutes at a time, so hopefully they last a while.  I'll also probably just cut up some old cotton t-shirts to make a makeshift mask.  I don't know what else to do. 

  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    CM189191 said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    You know why I am mad?
    My friend's fiance just gave birth to their first child and she is so isolated because we are not allowed out of our homes.
    She would love to go to mother's groups and get support from new mothers and do baby yoga and go for a walk with a pram.
    But she's seriously stressed and isolated. She's on her own with her baby.
    She reached out on Facebook asking if anyone has baby paracetamol as her baby is unwell and none is available at her local pharmacies because greedy idiots stockpiled. All this because China did not alert the world.
    Everyone is pissed and is making sacrifices to some degree.

    We dont need to invent something to levy blame on.  Things arent always so easy and black and white... even though the human mind seeks that clarity.  At some point, when this is over, the international committee will figure it out and hopefully work together to prevent this from happening again.  

    Everything I have read from reputable sources says that there is no way this virus is man-made.
    If not man made, then why does the CCP continue to allow the sale and consumption of animals know to carry the virus?
    Why does the CCP allow unhygienic wet markets to exist?
    The CCP needs to change its behaviour to prevent this happening again. 
    SARS, swine flu, MERS, Covid-19, all from China thanks to the CCP.

    Good question: why don't rural areas in a developing economy have widespread access to modern refrigeration and established food distribution channels? 

    Could it be due to decades of protectionist and isolationist foreign policy?

    Will continuing these policies lead to more or less pandemic outbreaks? 

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