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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Thank you, I was really starting to need a Giesecke update!
    No problems. He will lead us all through this!

    Isn't he the guy who favors gatherings of 50 or more people?  Why is he so much more right than all the other scientists around the world who favor sheltering at home and social distancing?

    Don't know what he has said regarding 50 or more people. But this is what he said when we had our first ban, of 500 people:

    Johan Giesecke also criticizes the government's decision to ban public gatherings with more than 500 people.

    - If you believe in that kind of measure, there should be fewer in each group.

    How many then?

    - 10-25, somewhere there.

    and
    Sweden's decision to stop public gatherings of more than 500 people is "a half-measure" and its effectiveness can be called into question. This is stated by the infection protection expert and former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke in SVT's Aktuellt.

    - If you want to do that, I think you should have a little smaller groups, he says.

    The statement came in comparison with how other countries have acted, where, among other things, Finland and Denmark set the limit for a maximum of ten people.

    However, Giesecke emphasizes that there is no science on which number of constraints is best. Denmark previously had a limit of a maximum of 100 people, but it was changed to ten during Tuesday.


    Unless they are children, of course.  If they are children then let them snot and spit and cough all over each other.  Because...science?

    Riiiiigt.
    rgambs and also @mcgruff10



    But Johan Giesecke, professor emeritus at the Karolinska Institute, adviser to the WHO and former state epidemiologist is not particularly worried about infection in preschool and school environments.
    - There are things pointing to children not being very contagious. There are no studies on this, that is hard to do. But WHO had a delegation in China a month ago, where they asked doctors and epidemiologists if they knew of cases where a child had infected an adult, none of them could recall such a case. On a scientific basis, that in itself is quite thin. But there has also been no outbreak in Chinese schools - and if children were heavily infected, they would have seen school outbreaks, says Johan Giesecke to the Teachers' Journal.


    Doctors and nurses in several countries have been reported to be seriously ill, something DN, among others, has told us about. One thesis is that those exposed to large viral doses are at higher risk of serious illness. Teachers and preschool teachers also meet many sick children under normal circumstances.
    - In a normal classroom, with a child who is infected, there is no great danger. What is really dangerous is to intubate people, to stab a tube in the throat of those who need to be cared for in a respirator. A lot of virus particles are produced there. But in a larger room, the particles are diluted and do not go that far. I don't consider that being in close contact or in contact for a long time either. A close contact is to sit next to someone for several hours on an airplane, says Johan Giesecke.

    How worried should one be as a teacher in preschool or school?
    - No need to worry. Most people who work in preschool and school are young and healthy people. For them it is not a huge risk, it is as good to get infected as you are rid of it (@rgambs). It is a completely different matter for the elderly, where it is important not to spread infection to the homes of the elderly. But spreading infection among children and young healthy adults is no danger, says Johan Giesecke.



    Yeah, that is a profoundly idiotic statement that will be the discredit of his entire career.
    When this is all over and thousands or tens of thousands of children and young healthy adults are gone from the world, I hope he gets held to task and ostracized from the world's scientific community.
    I'm shocked that anyone would even listen to this?


  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited March 2020
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Thank you, I was really starting to need a Giesecke update!
    No problems. He will lead us all through this!

    Isn't he the guy who favors gatherings of 50 or more people?  Why is he so much more right than all the other scientists around the world who favor sheltering at home and social distancing?

    Don't know what he has said regarding 50 or more people. But this is what he said when we had our first ban, of 500 people:

    Johan Giesecke also criticizes the government's decision to ban public gatherings with more than 500 people.

    - If you believe in that kind of measure, there should be fewer in each group.

    How many then?

    - 10-25, somewhere there.

    and
    Sweden's decision to stop public gatherings of more than 500 people is "a half-measure" and its effectiveness can be called into question. This is stated by the infection protection expert and former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke in SVT's Aktuellt.

    - If you want to do that, I think you should have a little smaller groups, he says.

    The statement came in comparison with how other countries have acted, where, among other things, Finland and Denmark set the limit for a maximum of ten people.

    However, Giesecke emphasizes that there is no science on which number of constraints is best. Denmark previously had a limit of a maximum of 100 people, but it was changed to ten during Tuesday.


    Unless they are children, of course.  If they are children then let them snot and spit and cough all over each other.  Because...science?

    Riiiiigt.
    rgambs and also @mcgruff10



    But Johan Giesecke, professor emeritus at the Karolinska Institute, adviser to the WHO and former state epidemiologist is not particularly worried about infection in preschool and school environments.
    - There are things pointing to children not being very contagious. There are no studies on this, that is hard to do. But WHO had a delegation in China a month ago, where they asked doctors and epidemiologists if they knew of cases where a child had infected an adult, none of them could recall such a case. On a scientific basis, that in itself is quite thin. But there has also been no outbreak in Chinese schools - and if children were heavily infected, they would have seen school outbreaks, says Johan Giesecke to the Teachers' Journal.


    Doctors and nurses in several countries have been reported to be seriously ill, something DN, among others, has told us about. One thesis is that those exposed to large viral doses are at higher risk of serious illness. Teachers and preschool teachers also meet many sick children under normal circumstances.
    - In a normal classroom, with a child who is infected, there is no great danger. What is really dangerous is to intubate people, to stab a tube in the throat of those who need to be cared for in a respirator. A lot of virus particles are produced there. But in a larger room, the particles are diluted and do not go that far. I don't consider that being in close contact or in contact for a long time either. A close contact is to sit next to someone for several hours on an airplane, says Johan Giesecke.

    How worried should one be as a teacher in preschool or school?
    - No need to worry. Most people who work in preschool and school are young and healthy people. For them it is not a huge risk, it is as good to get infected as you are rid of it (@rgambs). It is a completely different matter for the elderly, where it is important not to spread infection to the homes of the elderly. But spreading infection among children and young healthy adults is no danger, says Johan Giesecke.



    Yeah, that is a profoundly idiotic statement that will be the discredit of his entire career.
    When this is all over and thousands or tens of thousands of children and young healthy adults are gone from the world, I hope he gets held to task and ostracized from the world's scientific community.
    So how many lethal school outbreaks have there been in China according to you? How many are happening in Sweden right now?

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    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,875
    i am on a conference call with leading orthopaedic surgeons across the world. they are sharing their experiences now. there is one from italy, south korea, argentina, and a few from the us. the guy from italy said that they stopped all elective surgeries on 3/1/2020 and they were not able to get a handle on it even after stopping that early. he said that he has lost 4 people close to him, including a 56 year old colleague. he said that it is a "horrible, horrible death" and reinforced the fact that this is very serious and that americans should continue to distance and take it seriously. scary stuff. i was in a 9 hour surgery yesterday and have to cover cases on wed and thursday. i am really getting concerned.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,190
    edited March 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Thank you, I was really starting to need a Giesecke update!
    No problems. He will lead us all through this!

    Isn't he the guy who favors gatherings of 50 or more people?  Why is he so much more right than all the other scientists around the world who favor sheltering at home and social distancing?

    Don't know what he has said regarding 50 or more people. But this is what he said when we had our first ban, of 500 people:

    Johan Giesecke also criticizes the government's decision to ban public gatherings with more than 500 people.

    - If you believe in that kind of measure, there should be fewer in each group.

    How many then?

    - 10-25, somewhere there.

    and
    Sweden's decision to stop public gatherings of more than 500 people is "a half-measure" and its effectiveness can be called into question. This is stated by the infection protection expert and former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke in SVT's Aktuellt.

    - If you want to do that, I think you should have a little smaller groups, he says.

    The statement came in comparison with how other countries have acted, where, among other things, Finland and Denmark set the limit for a maximum of ten people.

    However, Giesecke emphasizes that there is no science on which number of constraints is best. Denmark previously had a limit of a maximum of 100 people, but it was changed to ten during Tuesday.


    Unless they are children, of course.  If they are children then let them snot and spit and cough all over each other.  Because...science?

    Riiiiigt.
    rgambs and also @mcgruff10



    But Johan Giesecke, professor emeritus at the Karolinska Institute, adviser to the WHO and former state epidemiologist is not particularly worried about infection in preschool and school environments.
    - There are things pointing to children not being very contagious. There are no studies on this, that is hard to do. But WHO had a delegation in China a month ago, where they asked doctors and epidemiologists if they knew of cases where a child had infected an adult, none of them could recall such a case. On a scientific basis, that in itself is quite thin. But there has also been no outbreak in Chinese schools - and if children were heavily infected, they would have seen school outbreaks, says Johan Giesecke to the Teachers' Journal.


    Doctors and nurses in several countries have been reported to be seriously ill, something DN, among others, has told us about. One thesis is that those exposed to large viral doses are at higher risk of serious illness. Teachers and preschool teachers also meet many sick children under normal circumstances.
    - In a normal classroom, with a child who is infected, there is no great danger. What is really dangerous is to intubate people, to stab a tube in the throat of those who need to be cared for in a respirator. A lot of virus particles are produced there. But in a larger room, the particles are diluted and do not go that far. I don't consider that being in close contact or in contact for a long time either. A close contact is to sit next to someone for several hours on an airplane, says Johan Giesecke.

    How worried should one be as a teacher in preschool or school?
    - No need to worry. Most people who work in preschool and school are young and healthy people. For them it is not a huge risk, it is as good to get infected as you are rid of it (@rgambs). It is a completely different matter for the elderly, where it is important not to spread infection to the homes of the elderly. But spreading infection among children and young healthy adults is no danger, says Johan Giesecke.



    Yeah, that is a profoundly idiotic statement that will be the discredit of his entire career.
    When this is all over and thousands or tens of thousands of children and young healthy adults are gone from the world, I hope he gets held to task and ostracized from the world's scientific community.
    So how many lethal school outbreaks have there been in China according to you? How many are happening in Sweden right now?

    YOU COME
    FOR THE KING
    YOU 
    BETTER
    NOT MISS 

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    It is such a new virus, why not err on the side of caution? 

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    Thank you, I was really starting to need a Giesecke update!
    No problems. He will lead us all through this!

    Isn't he the guy who favors gatherings of 50 or more people?  Why is he so much more right than all the other scientists around the world who favor sheltering at home and social distancing?

    Don't know what he has said regarding 50 or more people. But this is what he said when we had our first ban, of 500 people:

    Johan Giesecke also criticizes the government's decision to ban public gatherings with more than 500 people.

    - If you believe in that kind of measure, there should be fewer in each group.

    How many then?

    - 10-25, somewhere there.

    and
    Sweden's decision to stop public gatherings of more than 500 people is "a half-measure" and its effectiveness can be called into question. This is stated by the infection protection expert and former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke in SVT's Aktuellt.

    - If you want to do that, I think you should have a little smaller groups, he says.

    The statement came in comparison with how other countries have acted, where, among other things, Finland and Denmark set the limit for a maximum of ten people.

    However, Giesecke emphasizes that there is no science on which number of constraints is best. Denmark previously had a limit of a maximum of 100 people, but it was changed to ten during Tuesday.


    Unless they are children, of course.  If they are children then let them snot and spit and cough all over each other.  Because...science?

    Riiiiigt.
    rgambs and also @mcgruff10



    But Johan Giesecke, professor emeritus at the Karolinska Institute, adviser to the WHO and former state epidemiologist is not particularly worried about infection in preschool and school environments.
    - There are things pointing to children not being very contagious. There are no studies on this, that is hard to do. But WHO had a delegation in China a month ago, where they asked doctors and epidemiologists if they knew of cases where a child had infected an adult, none of them could recall such a case. On a scientific basis, that in itself is quite thin. But there has also been no outbreak in Chinese schools - and if children were heavily infected, they would have seen school outbreaks, says Johan Giesecke to the Teachers' Journal.


    Doctors and nurses in several countries have been reported to be seriously ill, something DN, among others, has told us about. One thesis is that those exposed to large viral doses are at higher risk of serious illness. Teachers and preschool teachers also meet many sick children under normal circumstances.
    - In a normal classroom, with a child who is infected, there is no great danger. What is really dangerous is to intubate people, to stab a tube in the throat of those who need to be cared for in a respirator. A lot of virus particles are produced there. But in a larger room, the particles are diluted and do not go that far. I don't consider that being in close contact or in contact for a long time either. A close contact is to sit next to someone for several hours on an airplane, says Johan Giesecke.

    How worried should one be as a teacher in preschool or school?
    - No need to worry. Most people who work in preschool and school are young and healthy people. For them it is not a huge risk, it is as good to get infected as you are rid of it (@rgambs). It is a completely different matter for the elderly, where it is important not to spread infection to the homes of the elderly. But spreading infection among children and young healthy adults is no danger, says Johan Giesecke.



    Yeah, that is a profoundly idiotic statement that will be the discredit of his entire career.
    When this is all over and thousands or tens of thousands of children and young healthy adults are gone from the world, I hope he gets held to task and ostracized from the world's scientific community.
    So how many lethal school outbreaks have there been in China according to you? How many are happening in Sweden right now?

    YOU COME
    FOR THE KING
    YOU 
    BETTER
    NOT MISS 

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    How many healthy adults and elderly people have been infected by community spread through school-aged children?  We will never know.  Children are known to be carriers and less likely to know so, due to a lower incidence of severe symptoms.  You've got your Johan Giesecke, and then there's almost literally every other expert in the world...you're like a climate change denier swimming against the tide stuttering about the Sun and outlier results.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,875
    the doctor from south korea just said on this call that they are implementing social distancing as their new normal going forward. wow.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    the doctor from south korea just said on this call that they are implementing social distancing as their new normal going forward. wow.
    Wow!  It really is Demolition Man type shit about to happen!
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,960
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    the doctor from south korea just said on this call that they are implementing social distancing as their new normal going forward. wow.
    Wow!  It really is Demolition Man type shit about to happen!
    He doesn't know how to use the three seashells...
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    F Me In The Brain said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    the doctor from south korea just said on this call that they are implementing social distancing as their new normal going forward. wow.
    Wow!  It really is Demolition Man type shit about to happen!
    He doesn't know how to use the three seashells...
    We'd all better learn considering the TP shortage.
  • Ray J. T.
    Ray J. T. Posts: 4,130
    edited March 2020
    F Me In The Brain said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    the doctor from south korea just said on this call that they are implementing social distancing as their new normal going forward. wow.
    Wow!  It really is Demolition Man type shit about to happen!
    He doesn't know how to use the three seashells...
    Demolition Man Three Seashells GIF Gfycat

    demolition man Tumblr
    Post edited by Ray J. T. on
  • Ray J. T.
    Ray J. T. Posts: 4,130
    tempo_n_groove said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    the doctor from south korea just said on this call that they are implementing social distancing as their new normal going forward. wow.
    Wow!  It really is Demolition Man type shit about to happen!
    Demolition Man GIFs Tenor
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    Weston1283 said:
    I knew StubHub was a greedy company but is this even legal?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2020/3/28/21198101/stubhub-refunds-canceled-event-ticket-nhl-nba-concerts
    Not a greatly reliable source I know, but I saw an episode of The People’s Court with something similar. A lady bought a concert ticket from someone who received it as a gift (not the original buyer). When the she got canceled the TM was only giving refunds to the original purchaser. So she asked for her money back from the lady she bought it from. She said no, too bad. The judge sided with the seller, saying only refund guarantees apply to the original purchaser and that’s the chance you take buying second hand tickets.
    I don’t agree, but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s legally true and since stubhub is essentially a broker for private sales they may get away with it.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i am on a conference call with leading orthopaedic surgeons across the world. they are sharing their experiences now. there is one from italy, south korea, argentina, and a few from the us. the guy from italy said that they stopped all elective surgeries on 3/1/2020 and they were not able to get a handle on it even after stopping that early. he said that he has lost 4 people close to him, including a 56 year old colleague. he said that it is a "horrible, horrible death" and reinforced the fact that this is very serious and that americans should continue to distance and take it seriously. scary stuff. i was in a 9 hour surgery yesterday and have to cover cases on wed and thursday. i am really getting concerned.
    Are you still in orthopedics?  The sheer volume of PPE used and wasted would shock...pretty much anyone who doesn't work orthopedics, really.  Even in a hospital setting, most people don't understand that volume unless they've seen it.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    the doctor from south korea just said on this call that they are implementing social distancing as their new normal going forward. wow.

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    edited March 2020
    mfc2006 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The My Pillow guy is addressing the press in the rose garden. WTF? 
    Par for the course, I'm afraid.
    Why are people upset over this? He’s making medical equipment instead of pillows , isn’t that what we need? I don’t get why people make fun of him for this. 
    The other funny thing when I googled My Pillow I scrolled through the top 10 results. Only the conservative news outlets mentioned him making medical equipment and the Liberal ones focused on him getting a free informercial. I really don’t get it, we are in need of equipment so we put someone down whos willing to make it?

    If I was a conservative CEO I’d think twice about helping out seeing how Mike was thrown under the bus for doing that. 
    Post edited by mace1229 on
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    mace1229 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The My Pillow guy is addressing the press in the rose garden. WTF? 
    Par for the course, I'm afraid.
    Why are people upset over this? He’s making medical equipment instead of pillows , isn’t that what we need? I don’t get why people make fun of him for this. 
    The other funny thing when I googled My Pillow I scrolled through the top 10 results. Only the conservative news outlets mentioned him making medical equipment and the Liberal ones focused on him getting a free informercial. I really don’t get it, we are in need of equipment so we put someone down whos willing to make it?

    If I was a conservative CEO I’d think twice about helping out seeing how Mike was thrown under the bus for doing that. 
    People are still choosing sides.

    I for one am tired of it.  Hearing conservatives praising the government for doing what they are supposed to do and progressives slamming the government for not doing this or that.

    There isn't time for that.  Wanting to see one side fail is not what we need right now.

    Just give me TP please.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mace1229 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The My Pillow guy is addressing the press in the rose garden. WTF? 
    Par for the course, I'm afraid.
    Why are people upset over this? He’s making medical equipment instead of pillows , isn’t that what we need? I don’t get why people make fun of him for this. 
    The other funny thing when I googled My Pillow I scrolled through the top 10 results. Only the conservative news outlets mentioned him making medical equipment and the Liberal ones focused on him getting a free informercial. I really don’t get it, we are in need of equipment so we put someone down whos willing to make it?

    If I was a conservative CEO I’d think twice about helping out seeing how Mike was thrown under the bus for doing that. 

    This is easy:

    How many companies in the United States make pillows?

    How many pillow making companies got an infomercial next to the president the other day?

    Bought and paid for.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mace1229 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The My Pillow guy is addressing the press in the rose garden. WTF? 
    Par for the course, I'm afraid.
    Why are people upset over this? He’s making medical equipment instead of pillows , isn’t that what we need? I don’t get why people make fun of him for this. 
    The other funny thing when I googled My Pillow I scrolled through the top 10 results. Only the conservative news outlets mentioned him making medical equipment and the Liberal ones focused on him getting a free informercial. I really don’t get it, we are in need of equipment so we put someone down whos willing to make it?

    If I was a conservative CEO I’d think twice about helping out seeing how Mike was thrown under the bus for doing that. 
    It's just that the guy is super chummy with Rush and Hannity and some real nutballs.  It's easy to look at it from the other side too, tons of not-uberconservative companies are doing the same and they aren't getting to red carpet treatment like this guy did.
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    Also, the idiot in charge keeps throwing gas on the fire by doing everything except show good leadership.  I'm rooting for the damn fool.  Act like a leader, please, and I will be happy to give you the credit you seek.
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