The coronavirus
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What is contradictory here? Are you HAL and everything is on/off, ones and zeros?rgambs said:
Your posts on this topic are so contradictory it makes them nonsensical. An accurate summary of your stance seems to be:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yes.mcgruff10 said:
Is it ok if I call these people morons?Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden.
John Connor: Judgment Day. The end of the world. It's today, three hours from now.Terminator: Two hours and fifty-three minutes.
At the same time, if those fuckers would have visited the mall where my moms restaurant lies - she would still have a job.
People need to not wreck the economy by social distancing, but people who gather are idiots. Unless the people gathering are children, then it is a good thing."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Here is Johan, from today, touching on this and "the swedish model":F Me In The Brain said:Would Johan approve of their behavior?There are those who think the government is bowing to much to the experts. Johan Giesecke, former state epidemiologist and now adviser to the World Health Organization (WHO), for example, thinks that colleagues in his area of expertise have got a little too much power over decisions during the corona crisis."The government should take other things into consideration, but instead they let us decide," he says.This is not the case in all countries, Giesecke notes, and exemplifies the school closure issue.- Both the Norwegian and Danish public health authorities advised against closing the schools.But the politicians there decided against the experts' advice. It shows political independence there, he thinks, although he does not think the decisions in themselves were successful.In Sweden, however, the politicians follow the experts' advice, according to Giesecke. In the case of the school closure, it is good, he thinks, but it also shows how closely the politicians follow the experts authority."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Rules for thee, but not for meSpiritual_Chaos said:
What is contradictory here? Are you HAL and everything is on/off, ones and zeros?rgambs said:
Your posts on this topic are so contradictory it makes them nonsensical. An accurate summary of your stance seems to be:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yes.mcgruff10 said:
Is it ok if I call these people morons?Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden.
John Connor: Judgment Day. The end of the world. It's today, three hours from now.Terminator: Two hours and fifty-three minutes.
At the same time, if those fuckers would have visited the mall where my moms restaurant lies - she would still have a job.
People need to not wreck the economy by social distancing, but people who gather are idiots. Unless the people gathering are children, then it is a good thing.0 -
Sometimes things are black or white, on or off, one or zero... KISS, for example, is objectively terrible and corny, there's no grey area on that one.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is contradictory here? Are you HAL and everything is on/off, ones and zeros?rgambs said:
Your posts on this topic are so contradictory it makes them nonsensical. An accurate summary of your stance seems to be:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yes.mcgruff10 said:
Is it ok if I call these people morons?Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden.
John Connor: Judgment Day. The end of the world. It's today, three hours from now.Terminator: Two hours and fifty-three minutes.
At the same time, if those fuckers would have visited the mall where my moms restaurant lies - she would still have a job.
People need to not wreck the economy by social distancing, but people who gather are idiots. Unless the people gathering are children, then it is a good thing.
Seriously though, if you don't think your position is untenably contradictory, then that's your choice to feel that way, but I doubt many people are going to agree with you.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Latest numbers: The grim numbers keep getting worse by the day, with New Jersey now having at least 11,124 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 140 known deaths, as state officials Saturday reported 2,289 new positive tests and 32 new deaths from an outbreak they expect to keep affecting the state through at least May.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden.
John Connor: Judgment Day. The end of the world. It's today, three hours from now.Terminator: Two hours and fifty-three minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_cFHs5xb4
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Coyotes taking over the Streets of San Francisco- I love!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
KISS are objectively terrible and corny, and at the same time fantastic.rgambs said:
Sometimes things are black or white, on or off, one or zero... KISS, for example, is objectively terrible and corny, there's no grey area on that one.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is contradictory here? Are you HAL and everything is on/off, ones and zeros?rgambs said:
Your posts on this topic are so contradictory it makes them nonsensical. An accurate summary of your stance seems to be:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yes.mcgruff10 said:
Is it ok if I call these people morons?Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden.
John Connor: Judgment Day. The end of the world. It's today, three hours from now.Terminator: Two hours and fifty-three minutes.
At the same time, if those fuckers would have visited the mall where my moms restaurant lies - she would still have a job.
People need to not wreck the economy by social distancing, but people who gather are idiots. Unless the people gathering are children, then it is a good thing.
Seriously though, if you don't think your position is untenably contradictory, then that's your choice to feel that way, but I doubt many people are going to agree with you.
Please, still -- point our what in my post to Mcgruff that was contradictory."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
mcgruff10 said:Latest numbers: The grim numbers keep getting worse by the day, with New Jersey now having at least 11,124 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 140 known deaths, as state officials Saturday reported 2,289 new positive tests and 32 new deaths from an outbreak they expect to keep affecting the state through at least May.
I know I keep quoting you and saying this... but the cases are much, much more, and as more testing occurs, more positive cases are being logged. All these hot cases now are from when 'social distancing' was put into place about St Patrick's Day. This massive case jump was all expected, which was the source of the 'freak out' by most people who were paying attention right around March 10th-11th.
I point this out to be encouraging moreso than scary. It is likely that the 11,000 in New Jersey is 10-20x that amount, which means that the 32 deaths are out of that (much larger) pool. Same with New York and every other populated location. As I stated earlier, I know a few people who have it and are not counted in the cases, and they are doing very well and getting closer to 100%.
It is scary too because you need to assume that everyone has it, and the hospitals are packing up with an unsustainable load.
Really unsure how things can proceed. They say New York City should peak sometime in the next 8-21 days. What then? Meanwhile, other cities will be hit just as hard. They cant just then open things up because we will be right back to square 1 again before long.
IMO the biggest hope is that some of the best minds in the world figure out a treatment to get control of this virus and the symptoms to ease the load off the hospitals and the life saving equipment that will be at a premium. This way I think we can all be re-introduced into society before the vaccine is vetted because the % of cases that are severe and life threatening will be way down.
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Your entire position is contradictory.Spiritual_Chaos said:
KISS are objectively terrible and corny, and at the same time fantastic.rgambs said:
Sometimes things are black or white, on or off, one or zero... KISS, for example, is objectively terrible and corny, there's no grey area on that one.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is contradictory here? Are you HAL and everything is on/off, ones and zeros?rgambs said:
Your posts on this topic are so contradictory it makes them nonsensical. An accurate summary of your stance seems to be:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yes.mcgruff10 said:
Is it ok if I call these people morons?Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden.
John Connor: Judgment Day. The end of the world. It's today, three hours from now.Terminator: Two hours and fifty-three minutes.
At the same time, if those fuckers would have visited the mall where my moms restaurant lies - she would still have a job.
People need to not wreck the economy by social distancing, but people who gather are idiots. Unless the people gathering are children, then it is a good thing.
Seriously though, if you don't think your position is untenably contradictory, then that's your choice to feel that way, but I doubt many people are going to agree with you.
Please, still -- point our what in my post to Mcgruff that was contradictory.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
It makes a lot of sense. I think we are now two weeks out since lockdown began, hopefully the numbers start to go down.MayDay10 said:mcgruff10 said:Latest numbers: The grim numbers keep getting worse by the day, with New Jersey now having at least 11,124 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 140 known deaths, as state officials Saturday reported 2,289 new positive tests and 32 new deaths from an outbreak they expect to keep affecting the state through at least May.
I know I keep quoting you and saying this... but the cases are much, much more, and as more testing occurs, more positive cases are being logged. All these hot cases now are from when 'social distancing' was put into place about St Patrick's Day. This massive case jump was all expected, which was the source of the 'freak out' by most people who were paying attention right around March 10th-11th.
I point this out to be encouraging moreso than scary. It is likely that the 11,000 in New Jersey is 10-20x that amount, which means that the 32 deaths are out of that (much larger) pool. Same with New York and every other populated location. As I stated earlier, I know a few people who have it and are not counted in the cases, and they are doing very well and getting closer to 100%.
It is scary too because you need to assume that everyone has it, and the hospitals are packing up with an unsustainable load.
Really unsure how things can proceed. They say New York City should peak sometime in the next 8-21 days. What then? Meanwhile, other cities will be hit just as hard. They cant just then open things up because we will be right back to square 1 again before long.
IMO the biggest hope is that some of the best minds in the world figure out a treatment to get control of this virus and the symptoms to ease the load off the hospitals and the life saving equipment that will be at a premium. This way I think we can all be re-introduced into society before the vaccine is vetted because the % of cases that are severe and life threatening will be way down.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
How? Curious. I think you might be wrong on that one. But who knows.rgambs said:
Your entire position is contradictory.Spiritual_Chaos said:
KISS are objectively terrible and corny, and at the same time fantastic.rgambs said:
Sometimes things are black or white, on or off, one or zero... KISS, for example, is objectively terrible and corny, there's no grey area on that one.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is contradictory here? Are you HAL and everything is on/off, ones and zeros?rgambs said:
Your posts on this topic are so contradictory it makes them nonsensical. An accurate summary of your stance seems to be:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yes.mcgruff10 said:
Is it ok if I call these people morons?Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden.
John Connor: Judgment Day. The end of the world. It's today, three hours from now.Terminator: Two hours and fifty-three minutes.
At the same time, if those fuckers would have visited the mall where my moms restaurant lies - she would still have a job.
People need to not wreck the economy by social distancing, but people who gather are idiots. Unless the people gathering are children, then it is a good thing.
Seriously though, if you don't think your position is untenably contradictory, then that's your choice to feel that way, but I doubt many people are going to agree with you.
Please, still -- point our what in my post to Mcgruff that was contradictory.
Dont see it in the reply to mcgruff"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
MayDay10 said:mcgruff10 said:Latest numbers: The grim numbers keep getting worse by the day, with New Jersey now having at least 11,124 confirmed cases of the coronavirus, including 140 known deaths, as state officials Saturday reported 2,289 new positive tests and 32 new deaths from an outbreak they expect to keep affecting the state through at least May.
I know I keep quoting you and saying this... but the cases are much, much more, and as more testing occurs, more positive cases are being logged. All these hot cases now are from when 'social distancing' was put into place about St Patrick's Day. This massive case jump was all expected, which was the source of the 'freak out' by most people who were paying attention right around March 10th-11th.
I point this out to be encouraging moreso than scary. It is likely that the 11,000 in New Jersey is 10-20x that amount, which means that the 32 deaths are out of that (much larger) pool. Same with New York and every other populated location. As I stated earlier, I know a few people who have it and are not counted in the cases, and they are doing very well and getting closer to 100%.
It is scary too because you need to assume that everyone has it, and the hospitals are packing up with an unsustainable load.
Really unsure how things can proceed. They say New York City should peak sometime in the next 8-21 days. What then? Meanwhile, other cities will be hit just as hard. They cant just then open things up because we will be right back to square 1 again before long.
IMO the biggest hope is that some of the best minds in the world figure out a treatment to get control of this virus and the symptoms to ease the load off the hospitals and the life saving equipment that will be at a premium. This way I think we can all be re-introduced into society before the vaccine is vetted because the % of cases that are severe and life threatening will be way down.
Good points made here, MayDay. I think many will have to return to work before the virus is gone. That won't happen until it burns out of it's own accord as viruses do or when a vaccine is perfects. As I understand it, either scenario will be at least a year to a year and a half from now. There's no way we can continue to operate with a shut down lasting 12 to 18 months. It's looking likely that people who have had the virus and are fully recovered have built an immunity, so they can likely go back to work. It's also looking like there are many now who have tested positive who show little or no symptoms- I've read that may be as many as 50%. It sucks that this virus is taking many lives (at my age, that's a big worry), but that is the reality. As terrible as that is though, we have to keep in mind that the world will go on- this is not Armageddon- and as well as keeping as many safe as possible- especially those in the higher risk categories- we also have to plan ahead and look at how we are going to put the pieces back together and avoid mass unrest and societal and economic breakdown. That's a hard balance to strike, but it must be done.
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As I said earlier, your comments have essentially been:Spiritual_Chaos said:
How? Curious. I think you might be wrong on that one. But who knows.rgambs said:
Your entire position is contradictory.Spiritual_Chaos said:
KISS are objectively terrible and corny, and at the same time fantastic.rgambs said:
Sometimes things are black or white, on or off, one or zero... KISS, for example, is objectively terrible and corny, there's no grey area on that one.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What is contradictory here? Are you HAL and everything is on/off, ones and zeros?rgambs said:
Your posts on this topic are so contradictory it makes them nonsensical. An accurate summary of your stance seems to be:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Yes.mcgruff10 said:
Is it ok if I call these people morons?Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden.
John Connor: Judgment Day. The end of the world. It's today, three hours from now.Terminator: Two hours and fifty-three minutes.
At the same time, if those fuckers would have visited the mall where my moms restaurant lies - she would still have a job.
People need to not wreck the economy by social distancing, but people who gather are idiots. Unless the people gathering are children, then it is a good thing.
Seriously though, if you don't think your position is untenably contradictory, then that's your choice to feel that way, but I doubt many people are going to agree with you.
Please, still -- point our what in my post to Mcgruff that was contradictory.
Dont see it in the reply to mcgruff
People need to not wreck the economy with social distancing, but people who gather are idiots. Unless the people gathering are children, then it is a good thing. Or if they go to the right restaurant, where a family member works. That's ok too, I guess.
Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
If people think they have it they don't need to get tested. Only at risk candidates should be getting tested. Everyone else should consult their doctor and take advice via telemedicine option .
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RE658041 said:A wise choice. I hope you get through it well with minimal discomfort.Keep us posted and best wishes!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Good luck, the percentages overwhelmingly support you being fine. Thanks for making the right call and not bogging down the system.RE658041 said:
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