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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    CM189191 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I don't get it. what is wrong about voting blue no matter who?

    Okey, if true...


    ... if Ted Nugent told me to fight climate change. I would not stop fighting climate change.
    It still doesn't make sense.  Russia would be interested in splitting the party, and second, we know they were actively trying to support the Sanders campaign.  This doesn't pass the logic test. 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    CM189191 said:

    Bernie supporters have been indoctrined to support Bernie or no one at all. Who does that benefit? 
    Says who? Your right-winged misinformation campaign?

    @Thoughts_Arrive redeemed.


    bernie or bust
    vs
    biden or bust

    It's pretty clear from perusing headlines where Bernie supporters stand.   They're drinking the same kool-aid as the Trump supporters.

    "The media is biased against our candidate"
    When in reality the media pushed trump, and is pushing the bernie horserace because it brings clicks and revenue.

    See also:  "The establishment / deepstate is undermining our candidate"

    Bernie & Trump are cut from the same cloth.  See also : their refusal to release tax/medical records.  
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,587
    If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that! 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    CM189191 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    CM189191 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I don't get it. what is wrong about voting blue no matter who?

    Okey, if true...


    ... if Ted Nugent told me to fight climate change. I would not stop fighting climate change.
    Here's the litmus test imho:

    If for some reason Bernie were to actually win the nomination, most Biden supporters would support Bernie. Because while Bernie is clearly the lesser Democratic candidate, he is still better than Trump.

    Bernie supporters have been indoctrined to support Bernie or no one at all. Who does that benefit? 
    bing bing bing... Russia.  That's why the angle doesn't make sense.  
  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B-HwpQkJqrc/embed/

    Let’s make sure to keep the same skepticism about her as we did others that have self diagnosed.
    What is there to be "skeptical" about?

    Comes off as a dog whistle(?)
    Ummm the fact that she has not been diagnosed by anyone other than herself...



  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    My boss has come down with the bug. Fever over the weekend, now coughing and experiencing shortness of breathe. We’ve been on telework status since last week so there’s that.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Russian COVID19 numbers:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-russia-s-low-infection-numbers-viewed-skeptically-n1166101

    Coronavirus: Russia's low infection numbers viewed skeptically

    MOSCOW — Judging by the official numbers, Russia can boast of having one of the most effective coronavirus responses in the world, with 367 confirmed cases as of Sunday. According to the data, none of them have been fatal.

    That isn't for lack of testing. Russian government officials say they have run over 140,000 tests. By comparison, the U.S. has reported over 25,000 positive results from a similar number of tests, according to tracking by Johns Hopkins University.

    But while Russian officials attribute the low numbers to aggressive border controls and closings, some experts caution that the actual infection rates may be much higher, with the government of President Vladimir Putin intent on maintaining an image of calm authority, regardless of what may actually be happening on the ground.

    At a Cabinet meeting Tuesday, Putin declared the situation to be "generally under control."

    "Thanks to prompt measures taken proactively ... in the first weeks of the epidemic, we managed to contain the massive — I would like to underscore — massive penetration and spread of the infection in Russia," Putin said.

    The early measures were drastic.

    After reports of outbreaks of the coronavirus in China emerged in January, Russia swiftly closed its large land border and, in February, banned entry of all Chinese citizens. More recent efforts focused on quarantining foreigners entering from coronavirus hot spots.

    But Ivan Konovalov, a spokesman for the Doctors' Alliance, a professional organization loosely aligned with the Russian opposition that has gained attention by highlighting problems in the health system, says the measures may not have effectively blocked the disease.

    Instead, authorities are most likely using pneumonia as a cover for coronavirus cases, he said.

    "According to a few accounts, a portion of the coronavirus cases are being masked as so-called community-transmitted pneumonia," he told NBC News. "Patients are diagnosed with 'pneumonia' without being tested for coronavirus, which could have caused it."

    Some experts have questioned the competence of Russia's coronavirus tests — currently provided by a single lab in Siberia. An investigation by an online medical science publication, PCR News, reported that the official numbers may be low because the test may not be detecting mild cases.

    "It is a matter of sensitivity," PCR News Editor-in-Chief Aleksey Torgashev, one of the authors of the report, said in an interview. "The guaranteed lower limit of the test is 100,000 plasmids per milliliter. The sensitivity of other modern tests is two orders of magnitude higher."

    Article continues on website

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769


    Why is Greta even being brought up in this thread?

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,587
    CM189191 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    CM189191 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I don't get it. what is wrong about voting blue no matter who?

    Okey, if true...


    ... if Ted Nugent told me to fight climate change. I would not stop fighting climate change.
    Here's the litmus test imho:

    If for some reason Bernie were to actually win the nomination, most Biden supporters would support Bernie. Because while Bernie is clearly the lesser Democratic candidate, he is still better than Trump.

    Bernie supporters have been indoctrined to support Bernie or no one at all. Who does that benefit? 

    JW269453 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B-HwpQkJqrc/embed/

    Let’s make sure to keep the same skepticism about her as we did others that have self diagnosed.
    What is there to be "skeptical" about?

    Comes off as a dog whistle(?)
    Ummm the fact that she has not been diagnosed by anyone other than herself...



    Sorry wanted to post but I screwed up the Quoting function lol



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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    Merkin Baller said:


    Why is Greta even being brought up in this thread?

    Apparently she is an expert on coronavirus now.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,855
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I can't deal with all this S O C I A L I S M.


    I don't see how that is financially possible. 1 month of covering salaries has got to be eat up the budget for the entire year. Its all nice to hear and sounds great, but where does that money come from? DO they pay these salaries for a month then government shuts down for the rest of the year? I just don't see how that is possible. 
    It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't spend 55% of your entire budget on war.
    True, but what is the income tax in Denmark? 
    I just googled it, average over the last 20 years was 65%. It’s also amazing what you can afford when you tax your citizens an astonishing 65%.
    That didn’t seem right, but saw it posted in several sites.
    and if they pay 75% of their salary, then tax them 65%, they really are paying less than half.



    If we were to look at a larger blue state like the one I live in, that tend to provide services to its residents, when you add up all taxes, income fedl state local, fica, property and sales taxes, excise taxes and on... the effective rate is probably close to 50%.

    now let’s add on the cost of college and healthcare, you are probably right at that European rate of 65%

    but Euros don’t have to worry about bankruptcy issues to the extent we do in the states caused by healthcare or excessive college costs. Plus they don’t have slow as crap trains and pot holed roads because their 65% covers infrastructure modernization.
    Not to start a debate on different countries and all that comes with that on this board. And I do not know how accurate this forbes infographic is, but here are at least some numbers. I do not know where the 65% thing comes from.



    ..


    The commenters were citing percentage of personal income. Your graphic is percent of GDP.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
    JW269453 said:
    Merkin Baller said:


    Why is Greta even being brought up in this thread?

    Apparently she is an expert on coronavirus now.
    Makes sense... she's an expert on everything else, why not this too?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited March 2020
    DewieCox said:
    Her “diagnosis”. 

    When it was being used to push the right’s  agenda, it was immediately dismissed. This should be just as swiftly dismissed.


    I don't know what you are talking about...

    What has this to do with any political agenda?

    And again, why should what she says here be "swiftly dismissed" ? Why?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    JW269453 said:
    Merkin Baller said:


    Why is Greta even being brought up in this thread?

    Apparently she is an expert on coronavirus now.
    Eh, to be fair, her post just says that she has symptoms and so she’s self-isolating. I know it’s completely unimportant to know that, but she’s not the only celebrity posting about the virus.

    My question from that post is how was she not cast as the Grady Sisters in Doctor Sleep? The resemblance is uncanny. Missed opportunity. She could’ve promoted her climate strike in conjunction with promoting the movie. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,855
    josevolution said:
    If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that! 

    It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.

    Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”

    let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.

    for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...

    ...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.

    further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants

    im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mace1229 said:
    rgambs said:
    mace1229 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I can't deal with all this S O C I A L I S M.


    I don't see how that is financially possible. 1 month of covering salaries has got to be eat up the budget for the entire year. Its all nice to hear and sounds great, but where does that money come from? DO they pay these salaries for a month then government shuts down for the rest of the year? I just don't see how that is possible. 
    It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't spend 55% of your entire budget on war.
    True, but what is the income tax in Denmark? 
    I just googled it, average over the last 20 years was 65%. It’s also amazing what you can afford when you tax your citizens an astonishing 65%.
    That didn’t seem right, but saw it posted in several sites.
    and if they pay 75% of their salary, then tax them 65%, they really are paying less than half.



    If we were to look at a larger blue state like the one I live in, that tend to provide services to its residents, when you add up all taxes, income fedl state local, fica, property and sales taxes, excise taxes and on... the effective rate is probably close to 50%.

    now let’s add on the cost of college and healthcare, you are probably right at that European rate of 65%

    but Euros don’t have to worry about bankruptcy issues to the extent we do in the states caused by healthcare or excessive college costs. Plus they don’t have slow as crap trains and pot holed roads because their 65% covers infrastructure modernization.
    Not to start a debate on different countries and all that comes with that on this board. And I do not know how accurate this forbes infographic is, but here are at least some numbers. I do not know where the 65% thing comes from.



    ..


    The commenters were citing percentage of personal income. Your graphic is percent of GDP.
    Okey, then some rankings I've seen  on personal income says between 55-60.

    But a breakdown in Swedish seems to show you pay roughly: 8 percent + 24 (municipal tax)

    Then between 46.500-531.000 DKK an additional + 12,14 %

    So, for most people: 8+24+12,14 = 42,14 percent.

    And the amount above 531.000 DKK an additional 15 percent.



    But who knows. Only the danes.

    Yes, more taxes are paid. And yes the danish government is helping out to try to stop an economic crisis. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Her “diagnosis”. 

    When it was being used to push the right’s  agenda, it was immediately dismissed. This should be just as swiftly dismissed.


    I don't know what you are talking about...

    What has this to do with any political agenda?

    And again, why should what she says here be "swiftly dismissed" ? Why?

    Several pages back it was discussed that the virus had already made the rounds through various communities. This notion was met with both eye rolls from the left and as  an opportunity to downplay the effects of the virus by the right. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited March 2020
    JW269453 said:
    Merkin Baller said:


    Why is Greta even being brought up in this thread?

    Apparently she is an expert on coronavirus now.
    Says who?

    And why are you coming off as offended?


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    JW269453 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    DewieCox said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    https://instagram.com/p/B-HwpQkJqrc/embed/

    Let’s make sure to keep the same skepticism about her as we did others that have self diagnosed.
    What is there to be "skeptical" about?

    Comes off as a dog whistle(?)
    Ummm the fact that she has not been diagnosed by anyone other than herself...



    What is your point?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    I am never not amazed by how strange some turns these threads take are. Greta? Russia? Bernie?
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