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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,002
    I'm thinking out loud and stirring the pot here but when Obama was in office and his admin screwed this up you'd most likely hear an uproar from FOX and dismissed by most of us.

    If this admin sneezes I only get the bad on this forum.

    I was still hoping that the world would come together from all this but there is more dissonance.

    Mr Bill Withers died today so there ain't no sunshine for me today...

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,181
    I wonder how long it took Jared Dear Boy to rewrite the description. Priorities, ya know?
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
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    so trump is trying to force 3M to stop exporting N95 masks to canada and 3M is fighting back.  AMERICA FIRST RIGHT? 
    I’d think you’d be use to the US shafting Canada in time of need.  Trump/3m, Obama shafting us on the new international bridge between Windsor/Detroit us paying the full 5 billion tab and being forced use inferior us products on the bridge, Bush/ gander Newfoundland and the introduction of passport to travel between our 2 countries.  The US government has never been friends of this country

    just curious...did you complain when you found out Trudeau sent 16 tones of PPE to China...the same country that lied about this virus and now will cost Canada taxpayers a ton $...

    just remember...we can manufacture all the PPE we need.  The US in many places are short of water, we have plenty water...and in a few years the US may need water from us, and the answer should be FUCK NO!
    Sadly, yes I know i should have gottten used to it by now but still can get upset.  yes I did complain about us sending the PPE.  I work in a supportive housing agency and knew that we needed them.  

  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,999
    edited April 2020
    I'm thinking out loud and stirring the pot here but when Obama was in office and his admin screwed this up you'd most likely hear an uproar from FOX and dismissed by most of us.

    If this admin sneezes I only get the bad on this forum.

    I was still hoping that the world would come together from all this but there is more dissonance.

    Mr Bill Withers died today so there ain't no sunshine for me today...

    Does what I posted not disturb you?

    Edit: I should have left the "so much winning" out of it; with that being said, my question still stands, does the behavior of this administration not disturb you?

    Post edited by Merkin Baller on
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,181
    I'm thinking out loud and stirring the pot here but when Obama was in office and his admin screwed this up you'd most likely hear an uproar from FOX and dismissed by most of us.

    If this admin sneezes I only get the bad on this forum.

    I was still hoping that the world would come together from all this but there is more dissonance.

    Mr Bill Withers died today so there ain't no sunshine for me today...

    Here’s the difference. Obama was criticized for the Ebola response, he listened, pulled together experts and created a cabinet level NSC team with a game plan included, and handed it over to the new Administration. If you’ll remember correctly, as it was heavily reported at the time, the Obama Administration was rebuffed repeatedly by incoming Team Trump Treason Administration officials during the transition, from pandemic planning to throughout all aspects of executive branch departments. Their attitude seemed to be, “we don’t need you to show us what or how to do things.” That was when there were still seasoned government officials on staff. Now? We’re down to the F Team.

    Any organization that wants to be successful going forward has a transition plan in place for mentorship, training, acclimation and continuation of institutional knowledge. Except for the very stable genius.

    This Administration deserves all of the blame for where we’re at and how it’s responded to this crises because they’re not capable, they’re not intelligent and there’s no leadership. Full stop. And that is not reflective of the experts trying their fucking darnedest to get through to the idiot in chief and his brown nosing cronies.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,508
    edited April 2020
    I'm thinking out loud and stirring the pot here but when Obama was in office and his admin screwed this up you'd most likely hear an uproar from FOX and dismissed by most of us.

    If this admin sneezes I only get the bad on this forum.

    I was still hoping that the world would come together from all this but there is more dissonance.

    Mr Bill Withers died today so there ain't no sunshine for me today...

    Does what I posted not disturb you?

    Edit: I should have left the "so much winning" out of it; with that being said, my question still stands, does the behavior of this administration not disturb you?


    Cuomo has been asking trump for two weeks to get the full force of the federal  govt and military to take over the entire supply chain to prioritize ventilator production 

    2 freaking weeks.

    WTF is trump waiting for?

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA.

    There is no cure. There is no vaccine for the foreseeable future. Ventilators are our only line of defense.

    What's to stop a 90% infection rate? All of us sitting in our homes does nothing to kill the virus. The top doctors have said it's coming back.

    So any sane person out there who thinks trump is defendable in this, what could possibly be more important than getting the full force of the govt, the military and American industry working on maxing the amount of ventilators?
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  • I'm thinking out loud and stirring the pot here but when Obama was in office and his admin screwed this up you'd most likely hear an uproar from FOX and dismissed by most of us.

    If this admin sneezes I only get the bad on this forum.

    I was still hoping that the world would come together from all this but there is more dissonance.

    Mr Bill Withers died today so there ain't no sunshine for me today...

    that is the difference between you and me. i call out a weak and ineffectual leader when we have one. i criticized obama for several things.

    if obama was president and bungled this this badly, we would be criticizing him just the same. with fox news leading the charge for the racists and simpletons to be calling for his head on a pike.

    rest assured though, obama would not have bungled this. he had the plan in place to deal with this that trump did not bother to read. obama probably hid it in a book.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,999

    I'm thinking out loud and stirring the pot here but when Obama was in office and his admin screwed this up you'd most likely hear an uproar from FOX and dismissed by most of us.

    If this admin sneezes I only get the bad on this forum.

    I was still hoping that the world would come together from all this but there is more dissonance.

    Mr Bill Withers died today so there ain't no sunshine for me today...

    that is the difference between you and me. i call out a weak and ineffectual leader when we have one. i criticized obama for several things.

    if obama was president and bungled this this badly, we would be criticizing him just the same. with fox news leading the charge for the racists and simpletons to be calling for his head on a pike.

    rest assured though, obama would not have bungled this. he had the plan in place to deal with this that trump did not bother to read. obama probably hid it in a book.


    Yeah, the notion that people here would be ok with Obama fucking over the country the way Trump has is beyond asinine.

  • I'm thinking out loud and stirring the pot here but when Obama was in office and his admin screwed this up you'd most likely hear an uproar from FOX and dismissed by most of us.

    If this admin sneezes I only get the bad on this forum.

    I was still hoping that the world would come together from all this but there is more dissonance.

    Mr Bill Withers died today so there ain't no sunshine for me today...

    that is the difference between you and me. i call out a weak and ineffectual leader when we have one. i criticized obama for several things.

    if obama was president and bungled this this badly, we would be criticizing him just the same. with fox news leading the charge for the racists and simpletons to be calling for his head on a pike.

    rest assured though, obama would not have bungled this. he had the plan in place to deal with this that trump did not bother to read. obama probably hid it in a book.


    Yeah, the notion that people here would be ok with Obama fucking over the country the way Trump has is beyond asinine.

    it is hard to believe that they were not here prior to the trump years to witness it firsthand.
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  • so at what point is trump officially derelict in his duties as commander in chief with regard to the government's covid response?

    what is the first mistake they made to expose the administration as being unqualified and intentionally acting counter to how they should to deal with the crisis?

    for me, it was being told about it in december and doing nothing. should be impeached for the response because now we see that it will end up being criminal.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,002
    I'm thinking out loud and stirring the pot here but when Obama was in office and his admin screwed this up you'd most likely hear an uproar from FOX and dismissed by most of us.

    If this admin sneezes I only get the bad on this forum.

    I was still hoping that the world would come together from all this but there is more dissonance.

    Mr Bill Withers died today so there ain't no sunshine for me today...

    that is the difference between you and me. i call out a weak and ineffectual leader when we have one. i criticized obama for several things.

    if obama was president and bungled this this badly, we would be criticizing him just the same. with fox news leading the charge for the racists and simpletons to be calling for his head on a pike.

    rest assured though, obama would not have bungled this. he had the plan in place to deal with this that trump did not bother to read. obama probably hid it in a book.
    No no, there is no difference.  I just like to point out certain things that I notice.  When I disagreed with Obama I got an earful on here too.

    We wouldn't be criticizing Obama this badly because he would have fucked up with tact and that gets a pass from people.

    I agree with the third.

    The floating hospitals have arrived in LA and NYC, at least he has done something good.

    And for the love of fucking God I am not defending Trump, jeeze...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,181
    so at what point is trump officially derelict in his duties as commander in chief with regard to the government's covid response?

    what is the first mistake they made to expose the administration as being unqualified and intentionally acting counter to how they should to deal with the crisis?

    for me, it was being told about it in december and doing nothing. should be impeached for the response because now we see that it will end up being criminal.
    Intentionally misleading the American public with the statement that it’ll go from 15-0 soon after his intel agencies told him it was bad. But I’ll take that he knew in December and did nothing until the end of January.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,181
    Fucking ouch. The charts in the link are crazy. From WaPo:

    The unemployment numbers are already so bad they no longer fit on the scales we’re used to. To understand them, we need to borrow scales from other types of jobs charts.

    By the second week of March, the United States already registered job losses on par with the worst months of the Great Recession. About 701,000 jobs were confirmed gone, Labor Department data shows. As terrifying as that sounds, that number portrays the calm before the storm. In the final two weeks of March, after those measurements were taken, separate Labor Department releases show nearly 10 million (9,955,000) Americans filed for unemployment benefits.

    We’ve never seen anything resembling that level of pain before. Back-of-the-envelope math shows there are more unemployed people in the country right now than at the Great Recession’s apex.

    The previous all-time high for one week was 695,000 jobless claims in 1982. In the week tracked by Friday’s jobs numbers, the week ending March 14, there were 282,000 claims. The following week? It was 3.3 million. By last week, it was at 6.6 million. (These numbers are adjusted for seasonal variation, so that we can make historical comparisons).

    Jobless claims are the only government data that comes close to keeping pace with the speed of the crisis. The unemployment-insurance system is at the heart of the government’s response to the pandemic, so it’s fitting that it’s the leading edge of its data.

    But, like the system itself, the data has been flooded beyond recognition. It no longer makes sense to look at it in the context of previous unemployment-claims filings. We need to bring in other labor market numbers. In the chart below, we compare it with a few touchstones.

    Greater than the Great Recession

    From January 2008 to February 2010, the economy lost 8,705,000 jobs. The losses in that two-year period, among the most dismal in U.S. history, were likely eclipsed in the two weeks at the end of March.

    Greater than the Trump boom

    From November 2016 to February 2020, the economy added about 7,275,000 jobs. It’s a job-creation record that Trump highlighted early and often, despite it being at roughly the same pace as his predecessor’s second term. Unemployment claims numbers indicate job creation is likely already in negative territory.

    Greater than New York

    But it’s hard to grasp abstract milestones like those above, so we also compared the late-March losses to local labor markets.

    If laid-off Americans were their own state right now, they’d be the third-largest, behind California (17.61 million) and Texas (13.02 million) and right ahead of New York (9.85 million). They outnumber workers in the 16 least-populated states combined.

    Yes, but

    Unemployment claims at this level are an enormous strain on the system and an unprecedented disruption for millions of U.S. businesses and households, but it’s also the system working as intended.

    The new stimulus package signed into law last week, the CARES Act, made more people eligible for unemployment insurance and dramatically ramped up benefits to help workers and businesses survive a prolonged period of distancing. The goal of the bailout should be to keep as many workers whole as possible for as long as they’re home and stop the spread of the novel coronavirus, as University of Massachusetts at Amherst economist Arindrajit Dube points out on Twitter.

    In normal times, an elevated unemployment claims number could be an early sign of trouble. This time, an excruciatingly high number means the system is beginning to help millions of people. But it nevertheless means pain and disruption for millions of Americans and their employers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/03/understanding-march-job-report/
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,002
    Fucking ouch. The charts in the link are crazy. From WaPo:

    The unemployment numbers are already so bad they no longer fit on the scales we’re used to. To understand them, we need to borrow scales from other types of jobs charts.

    By the second week of March, the United States already registered job losses on par with the worst months of the Great Recession. About 701,000 jobs were confirmed gone, Labor Department data shows. As terrifying as that sounds, that number portrays the calm before the storm. In the final two weeks of March, after those measurements were taken, separate Labor Department releases show nearly 10 million (9,955,000) Americans filed for unemployment benefits.

    We’ve never seen anything resembling that level of pain before. Back-of-the-envelope math shows there are more unemployed people in the country right now than at the Great Recession’s apex.

    The previous all-time high for one week was 695,000 jobless claims in 1982. In the week tracked by Friday’s jobs numbers, the week ending March 14, there were 282,000 claims. The following week? It was 3.3 million. By last week, it was at 6.6 million. (These numbers are adjusted for seasonal variation, so that we can make historical comparisons).

    Jobless claims are the only government data that comes close to keeping pace with the speed of the crisis. The unemployment-insurance system is at the heart of the government’s response to the pandemic, so it’s fitting that it’s the leading edge of its data.

    But, like the system itself, the data has been flooded beyond recognition. It no longer makes sense to look at it in the context of previous unemployment-claims filings. We need to bring in other labor market numbers. In the chart below, we compare it with a few touchstones.

    Greater than the Great Recession

    From January 2008 to February 2010, the economy lost 8,705,000 jobs. The losses in that two-year period, among the most dismal in U.S. history, were likely eclipsed in the two weeks at the end of March.

    Greater than the Trump boom

    From November 2016 to February 2020, the economy added about 7,275,000 jobs. It’s a job-creation record that Trump highlighted early and often, despite it being at roughly the same pace as his predecessor’s second term. Unemployment claims numbers indicate job creation is likely already in negative territory.

    Greater than New York

    But it’s hard to grasp abstract milestones like those above, so we also compared the late-March losses to local labor markets.

    If laid-off Americans were their own state right now, they’d be the third-largest, behind California (17.61 million) and Texas (13.02 million) and right ahead of New York (9.85 million). They outnumber workers in the 16 least-populated states combined.

    Yes, but

    Unemployment claims at this level are an enormous strain on the system and an unprecedented disruption for millions of U.S. businesses and households, but it’s also the system working as intended.

    The new stimulus package signed into law last week, the CARES Act, made more people eligible for unemployment insurance and dramatically ramped up benefits to help workers and businesses survive a prolonged period of distancing. The goal of the bailout should be to keep as many workers whole as possible for as long as they’re home and stop the spread of the novel coronavirus, as University of Massachusetts at Amherst economist Arindrajit Dube points out on Twitter.

    In normal times, an elevated unemployment claims number could be an early sign of trouble. This time, an excruciatingly high number means the system is beginning to help millions of people. But it nevertheless means pain and disruption for millions of Americans and their employers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/03/understanding-march-job-report/
    Post this somewhere else too, this is huge.

    Why isn't the billing on "pause"?  The country is.

    All bills should be put on hold. Next 90 days no payments no interest.

    That 1.3 trillion they spent on stimulus could have went to keeping the lights on in peoples houses and food being brought in.

    Just a thought.
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Fucking ouch. The charts in the link are crazy. From WaPo:

    The unemployment numbers are already so bad they no longer fit on the scales we’re used to. To understand them, we need to borrow scales from other types of jobs charts.

    By the second week of March, the United States already registered job losses on par with the worst months of the Great Recession. About 701,000 jobs were confirmed gone, Labor Department data shows. As terrifying as that sounds, that number portrays the calm before the storm. In the final two weeks of March, after those measurements were taken, separate Labor Department releases show nearly 10 million (9,955,000) Americans filed for unemployment benefits.

    We’ve never seen anything resembling that level of pain before. Back-of-the-envelope math shows there are more unemployed people in the country right now than at the Great Recession’s apex.

    The previous all-time high for one week was 695,000 jobless claims in 1982. In the week tracked by Friday’s jobs numbers, the week ending March 14, there were 282,000 claims. The following week? It was 3.3 million. By last week, it was at 6.6 million. (These numbers are adjusted for seasonal variation, so that we can make historical comparisons).

    Jobless claims are the only government data that comes close to keeping pace with the speed of the crisis. The unemployment-insurance system is at the heart of the government’s response to the pandemic, so it’s fitting that it’s the leading edge of its data.

    But, like the system itself, the data has been flooded beyond recognition. It no longer makes sense to look at it in the context of previous unemployment-claims filings. We need to bring in other labor market numbers. In the chart below, we compare it with a few touchstones.

    Greater than the Great Recession

    From January 2008 to February 2010, the economy lost 8,705,000 jobs. The losses in that two-year period, among the most dismal in U.S. history, were likely eclipsed in the two weeks at the end of March.

    Greater than the Trump boom

    From November 2016 to February 2020, the economy added about 7,275,000 jobs. It’s a job-creation record that Trump highlighted early and often, despite it being at roughly the same pace as his predecessor’s second term. Unemployment claims numbers indicate job creation is likely already in negative territory.

    Greater than New York

    But it’s hard to grasp abstract milestones like those above, so we also compared the late-March losses to local labor markets.

    If laid-off Americans were their own state right now, they’d be the third-largest, behind California (17.61 million) and Texas (13.02 million) and right ahead of New York (9.85 million). They outnumber workers in the 16 least-populated states combined.

    Yes, but

    Unemployment claims at this level are an enormous strain on the system and an unprecedented disruption for millions of U.S. businesses and households, but it’s also the system working as intended.

    The new stimulus package signed into law last week, the CARES Act, made more people eligible for unemployment insurance and dramatically ramped up benefits to help workers and businesses survive a prolonged period of distancing. The goal of the bailout should be to keep as many workers whole as possible for as long as they’re home and stop the spread of the novel coronavirus, as University of Massachusetts at Amherst economist Arindrajit Dube points out on Twitter.

    In normal times, an elevated unemployment claims number could be an early sign of trouble. This time, an excruciatingly high number means the system is beginning to help millions of people. But it nevertheless means pain and disruption for millions of Americans and their employers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/03/understanding-march-job-report/
    Post this somewhere else too, this is huge.

    Why isn't the billing on "pause"?  The country is.

    All bills should be put on hold. Next 90 days no payments no interest.

    That 1.3 trillion they spent on stimulus could have went to keeping the lights on in peoples houses and food being brought in.

    Just a thought.
    This is what I was worried about from the beginning. Unfortunately you have the American fairy tale of it’s your fault if you didn’t succeed enough to be ready for this pandemic to contend with.  The creditors and banks still want their obligations paid in full, though there are some exceptions.  Why the economy isn’t on a hard pause is astounding?  I guess some people need to make their dividends and keep up that unhealthy economic growth that was built on a house of cards on top of a shell game.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    edited April 2020
    Did anybody really think the bills would stop?  I just paid my real estate tax and car payment.all utilities still coming.Thank God my modest home is paid for.
    Charlottesville 2013
    Hampton 2016

  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
      I’d think you’d be use to the US shafting Canada in time of need.  Trump/3m, Obama shafting us on the new international bridge between Windsor/Detroit us paying the full 5 billion tab and being forced use inferior us products on the bridge, Bush/ gander Newfoundland and the introduction of passport to travel between our 2 countries.  The US government has never been friends of this country

    just curious...did you complain when you found out Trudeau sent 16 tones of PPE to China...the same country that lied about this virus and now will cost Canada taxpayers a ton $...

    just remember...we can manufacture all the PPE we need.  The US in many places are short of water, we have plenty water...and in a few years the US may need water from us, and the answer should be FUCK NO!


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  • Didn't we already see that post today? ^^
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  • SpunkieSpunkie I come from downtown. Posts: 6,386
    ^Yes. I think a natural reaction to being denied imports from our neighbouring country inspires fear as to what else we will be unable to procure.

    As far as the water goes, when they need it, they will bloody take it. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Can anyone explain how a loose fitting non filtering cloth mask is supposed to help against droplets.  In construction we aren’t allowed to wear loose cloth masks because dust and all manner of things can be breathed in. That’s why there are construction grade respirator masks. So how is a piece of clothing fabric going to save us?
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • SpunkieSpunkie I come from downtown. Posts: 6,386
    It will help you keep your germs to yourself if you can't stay home?
  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,422
    Is anyone else seeing the incredible news coming out of Italy? Sorry if already posted but this is amazing to me! 

    "The number of patients in intensive care across Italy's hospitals was 4,068, although that figure is a rise of only 15 on Thursday's number, which 18 more than on Wednesday. In the early stages of the epidemic the number of people being admitted to intensive care rose by hundreds each day."


  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,460
    static111 said:
    Fucking ouch. The charts in the link are crazy. From WaPo:

    The unemployment numbers are already so bad they no longer fit on the scales we’re used to. To understand them, we need to borrow scales from other types of jobs charts.

    By the second week of March, the United States already registered job losses on par with the worst months of the Great Recession. About 701,000 jobs were confirmed gone, Labor Department data shows. As terrifying as that sounds, that number portrays the calm before the storm. In the final two weeks of March, after those measurements were taken, separate Labor Department releases show nearly 10 million (9,955,000) Americans filed for unemployment benefits.

    We’ve never seen anything resembling that level of pain before. Back-of-the-envelope math shows there are more unemployed people in the country right now than at the Great Recession’s apex.

    The previous all-time high for one week was 695,000 jobless claims in 1982. In the week tracked by Friday’s jobs numbers, the week ending March 14, there were 282,000 claims. The following week? It was 3.3 million. By last week, it was at 6.6 million. (These numbers are adjusted for seasonal variation, so that we can make historical comparisons).

    Jobless claims are the only government data that comes close to keeping pace with the speed of the crisis. The unemployment-insurance system is at the heart of the government’s response to the pandemic, so it’s fitting that it’s the leading edge of its data.

    But, like the system itself, the data has been flooded beyond recognition. It no longer makes sense to look at it in the context of previous unemployment-claims filings. We need to bring in other labor market numbers. In the chart below, we compare it with a few touchstones.

    Greater than the Great Recession

    From January 2008 to February 2010, the economy lost 8,705,000 jobs. The losses in that two-year period, among the most dismal in U.S. history, were likely eclipsed in the two weeks at the end of March.

    Greater than the Trump boom

    From November 2016 to February 2020, the economy added about 7,275,000 jobs. It’s a job-creation record that Trump highlighted early and often, despite it being at roughly the same pace as his predecessor’s second term. Unemployment claims numbers indicate job creation is likely already in negative territory.

    Greater than New York

    But it’s hard to grasp abstract milestones like those above, so we also compared the late-March losses to local labor markets.

    If laid-off Americans were their own state right now, they’d be the third-largest, behind California (17.61 million) and Texas (13.02 million) and right ahead of New York (9.85 million). They outnumber workers in the 16 least-populated states combined.

    Yes, but

    Unemployment claims at this level are an enormous strain on the system and an unprecedented disruption for millions of U.S. businesses and households, but it’s also the system working as intended.

    The new stimulus package signed into law last week, the CARES Act, made more people eligible for unemployment insurance and dramatically ramped up benefits to help workers and businesses survive a prolonged period of distancing. The goal of the bailout should be to keep as many workers whole as possible for as long as they’re home and stop the spread of the novel coronavirus, as University of Massachusetts at Amherst economist Arindrajit Dube points out on Twitter.

    In normal times, an elevated unemployment claims number could be an early sign of trouble. This time, an excruciatingly high number means the system is beginning to help millions of people. But it nevertheless means pain and disruption for millions of Americans and their employers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/03/understanding-march-job-report/
    Post this somewhere else too, this is huge.

    Why isn't the billing on "pause"?  The country is.

    All bills should be put on hold. Next 90 days no payments no interest.

    That 1.3 trillion they spent on stimulus could have went to keeping the lights on in peoples houses and food being brought in.

    Just a thought.
    This is what I was worried about from the beginning. Unfortunately you have the American fairy tale of it’s your fault if you didn’t succeed enough to be ready for this pandemic to contend with.  The creditors and banks still want their obligations paid in full, though there are some exceptions.  Why the economy isn’t on a hard pause is astounding?  I guess some people need to make their dividends and keep up that unhealthy economic growth that was built on a house of cards on top of a shell game.
    My neighbor works in the property finance department  for one of the big banks. I asked him about home foreclosures with the downturn. His response is that they do not want to be holding foreclosed properties, at all costs if possible. He said his bank was working on plans to help folks stay in their homes, and off of their books.

    i guess if you are/or may have issues with payments, talk to your lenders.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,613
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,543
    I'm not sure where to put this article so I'm dropping it here because it is a direct result of the pandemic. It's painful to see so much food go to waste at a time like this. I can't believe there aren't other options where they could at least find a way to save some production. This just further confirms my disgust for the dairy industry.

    "It's just gut-wrenching," said Leedle, 36, as he stood inside his barn, with cows lowing softly as the animals were giving milk that would be funneled directly into a manure pit. "All I can see is that line going down the drain."

    Leedle has dumped 4,700 gallons of milk from his 480 cows each day since Tuesday. The 7,500-member DFA told Reuters it has asked some other farmers in the cooperative to do the same but did not say how many.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-dairy-insight-idUSKBN21L1DW
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    tish said:
    ^Yes. I think a natural reaction to being denied imports from our neighbouring country inspires fear as to what else we will be unable to procure.

    As far as the water goes, when they need it, they will bloody take it. 
    I do not know where you live in Canada but here in Ontario manufacturers are converting and re-tooling and will be supplying our needs in Ontario...
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,569
    Fuck this virus.  Just fuck it.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













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