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  • ponytd
    ponytd Nashville Posts: 671
    oftenreading said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    bbiggs said:
    The data is clear that elderly people are not able to fight off this virus well; however, I wonder if there are cases where someone in their 80's HAS fully recovered.  You would think those cases do exist based on the amount of people that have contracted the virus.  Anyone see any news in regards to this?


    According to China's data, the fatality rate was around 20% for those over 80 and 1% and lower for those under 50. 

    I'd expect to US over 80 rates to be lower.
    Why do you expect US over 80 fatality rates to be lower than China’s? China has a higher healthy life expectancy rate than the US - that is, older Chinese are healthier than older Americans. Not surprising, considering the differences in diet, rates of obesity; etc
    the US ranks 35th globally in life expectancy(which is sad) with avg age of 78.9. China ranks 54th with an avg age of 76.7  Hong Kong is 1st with 84 avg age.


  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    ponytd said:
    oftenreading said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    bbiggs said:
    The data is clear that elderly people are not able to fight off this virus well; however, I wonder if there are cases where someone in their 80's HAS fully recovered.  You would think those cases do exist based on the amount of people that have contracted the virus.  Anyone see any news in regards to this?


    According to China's data, the fatality rate was around 20% for those over 80 and 1% and lower for those under 50. 

    I'd expect to US over 80 rates to be lower.
    Why do you expect US over 80 fatality rates to be lower than China’s? China has a higher healthy life expectancy rate than the US - that is, older Chinese are healthier than older Americans. Not surprising, considering the differences in diet, rates of obesity; etc
    the US ranks 35th globally in life expectancy(which is sad) with avg age of 78.9. China ranks 54th with an avg age of 76.7  Hong Kong is 1st with 84 avg age.


    As of 2016, China had a longer healthier life expectancy than the US, which is the fact I referenced. American life expectancy is slightly (slightly) longer, but healthy life expectancy is shorter - i.e. the years you spend in relatively good health before you die.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Northern border now being closed except to trade and essential travel...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,047
    Some projections that self isolation and quarantine need to be in place for up to 18 months.  What are the thoughts of some of you more informed than I?  How do you essentially freeze the economy for over a year and keep people as home bound as possible without huge societal problems?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    static111 said:
    Some projections that self isolation and quarantine need to be in place for up to 18 months.  What are the thoughts of some of you more informed than I?  How do you essentially freeze the economy for over a year and keep people as home bound as possible without huge societal problems?
    It simply won't, and can't, go on that long.  I'd bet more people would be succumbing to malnutrition and starvation than succumbing to the virus after a year.  At some point, life will resume regardless of how many fatalities and hospitalizations are occuring.
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  • ponytd
    ponytd Nashville Posts: 671
    oftenreading said:
    ponytd said:
    oftenreading said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    bbiggs said:
    The data is clear that elderly people are not able to fight off this virus well; however, I wonder if there are cases where someone in their 80's HAS fully recovered.  You would think those cases do exist based on the amount of people that have contracted the virus.  Anyone see any news in regards to this?


    According to China's data, the fatality rate was around 20% for those over 80 and 1% and lower for those under 50. 

    I'd expect to US over 80 rates to be lower.
    Why do you expect US over 80 fatality rates to be lower than China’s? China has a higher healthy life expectancy rate than the US - that is, older Chinese are healthier than older Americans. Not surprising, considering the differences in diet, rates of obesity; etc
    the US ranks 35th globally in life expectancy(which is sad) with avg age of 78.9. China ranks 54th with an avg age of 76.7  Hong Kong is 1st with 84 avg age.


    As of 2016, China had a longer healthier life expectancy than the US, which is the fact I referenced. American life expectancy is slightly (slightly) longer, but healthy life expectancy is shorter - i.e. the years you spend in relatively good health before you die.
    Gotcha. Yeah, I was just going by straight up years
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,516
    Shelter in place is next here in NY..
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  • Saltzy23
    Saltzy23 Posts: 1,350
    edited March 2020
    josevolution said:
    Shelter in place is next here in NY..
    Followed by all bridges, tunnels, and trains being shut down.

    Then, we sit back for 2-3 weeks and pray to God people finally start listening and we make it through this in one piece.
    'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited March 2020
    Started my day with a nice ten minute meditation.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,283
    Saltzy23 said:
    josevolution said:
    Shelter in place is next here in NY..
    Followed by all bridges, tunnels, and trains being shut down.

    Then, we sit back for 2-3 weeks and pray to God people finally start listening and we make it through this in one piece.
    freights gotta move....
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mcgruff10 said:
    My buddy on the rush hour train to nyc this morning    
    Does your buddy have that mask on upside down?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,516
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My buddy on the rush hour train to nyc this morning    
    Does your buddy have that mask on upside down?
    It looks like it 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,423
    mcgruff10 said:
    My buddy on the rush hour train to nyc this morning    
    Is your buddy sick? Otherwise that mask should be in the hands of a hospital.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,423
    Gern Blansten said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I till don't see what closing schools will do when kids are not in danger of dying from it(?)

    Send all kids to a Camp Crystal Lake type scenario where they can all get sick and live through it and be immune -- and not affect the rest of the population when they come back.
    Because the kids can carry it....come on man
    Does immune people still carry viruses "latent"? Doesn't the immunesystem kill it..?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,423
    edited March 2020
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I till don't see what closing schools will do when kids are not in danger of dying from it(?)

    Send all kids to a Camp Crystal Lake type scenario where they can all get sick and live through it and be immune -- and not affect the rest of the population when they come back.
    You're better than this. Cordoning off children to introduce them all to a disease "not typically" fatal to young people is wrong on so many levels, and verges on human experimentation.
    You are sounding like what we are doing right now isn't a big human experimentation. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • JPPJ84
    JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 3,464
    edited March 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I till don't see what closing schools will do when kids are not in danger of dying from it(?)

    Send all kids to a Camp Crystal Lake type scenario where they can all get sick and live through it and be immune -- and not affect the rest of the population when they come back.
    Because the kids can carry it....come on man
    Does immune people still carry viruses "latent"? Doesn't the immunesystem kill it..?
    Children aren’t immune. They’re just rarely showing symptoms. So yes, they are highly infectious. That also counts for young people in general 
    Post edited by JPPJ84 on
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My buddy on the rush hour train to nyc this morning    
    Does your buddy have that mask on upside down?
    Yeah lol.  He said the other way felt weird.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    static111 said:
    Some projections that self isolation and quarantine need to be in place for up to 18 months.  What are the thoughts of some of you more informed than I?  How do you essentially freeze the economy for over a year and keep people as home bound as possible without huge societal problems?

    as i stated earlier this is kind of my fear. what and when is the end game for this?  you cannot have people out of work for extended periods of time. you will be talking depression era issues if you do.  the end game of this is what is scaring me at the moment. we simply can't have this last for an extended period of time.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,283
    edited March 2020
    josevolution said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My buddy on the rush hour train to nyc this morning    
    Does your buddy have that mask on upside down?
    It looks like it 
    dust mask from the paint section of the hardware store. looks like Home Depot brand...

    and yes. down on the upside

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,283
    JPPJ84 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I till don't see what closing schools will do when kids are not in danger of dying from it(?)

    Send all kids to a Camp Crystal Lake type scenario where they can all get sick and live through it and be immune -- and not affect the rest of the population when they come back.
    Because the kids can carry it....come on man
    Does immune people still carry viruses "latent"? Doesn't the immunesystem kill it..?
    Children aren’t immune. They’re just rarely showing symptoms. So yes, they are highly infectious. That also counts for young people in general 
    local news just reported a 2 year old found to be positive here.... 2 cases at OSU. A CFD firefighter as well.

    more to come.....
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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