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If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
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This sounds like a line written for a character in Arrested Development.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
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Agreed. Keep them on the damn ship.tempo_n_groove said:
If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
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If they’re being cared for then what’s the difference where they’re quarantined? I agreeemcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Keep them on the damn ship.tempo_n_groove said:
If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
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If it were any of you posting from that ship, you’d be screaming for the ACLU and complaining about illegal detention, particularly if you were a “citizen.” Think there’s still an open bar?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Because of the reasoning he articulates. He is worried about the "numbers", and that it wasn't "our fault".tempo_n_groove said:
If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
Not sure why this is an issue?
Where in that sentence does he talk about the best care for the patients? And these are American citizens, 40% of them are CA residents. You're telling me that we can't bring them onshore and quarantine them?
He is putting his political calculations and the 'numbers' before the care of the citizens. It's a window into how he thinks.0 -
Halifax2TheMax said:If it were any of you posting from that ship, you’d be screaming for the ACLU and complaining about illegal detention, particularly if you were a “citizen.” Think there’s still an open bar?Yeah, nobody on that ship is happy.How much extra booze do they store? (And how ugly will things get when they run out?!)The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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Imagine the outrage if Obama had kept them there and then moved them to a FEMA camp? Maybe they should evacuate them to the facilities holding detained migrant children, seeing how good they have it?F Me In The Brain said:Halifax2TheMax said:If it were any of you posting from that ship, you’d be screaming for the ACLU and complaining about illegal detention, particularly if you were a “citizen.” Think there’s still an open bar?Yeah, nobody on that ship is happy.How much extra booze do they store? (And how ugly will things get when they run out?!)09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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@mcgruff10 too..nicknyr15 said:
If they’re being cared for then what’s the difference where they’re quarantined? I agreeemcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Keep them on the damn ship.tempo_n_groove said:
If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
Not sure why this is an issue?
In what world would cruise ship health care be better than that of the California medical system?
In what world should the CDC not be prepared to handle this situation?
In what world would you think that your parents or children should be left quarantined on a cruise ship rather than getting care as a US citizen?
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Got it. I missed that point about the numbers.mrussel1 said:
Because of the reasoning he articulates. He is worried about the "numbers", and that it wasn't "our fault".tempo_n_groove said:
If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
Not sure why this is an issue?
Where in that sentence does he talk about the best care for the patients? And these are American citizens, 40% of them are CA residents. You're telling me that we can't bring them onshore and quarantine them?
He is putting his political calculations and the 'numbers' before the care of the citizens. It's a window into how he thinks.
I personally would keep them on the ship and care for them there. The ship will be rendered useless for a week anyways so might as well just wait out the full 14 days so it is cleared of anymore spreading of the virus.0 -
There was an interview with a few people from MN on the ship. They are not allowed to leave their room. Food is delivered, but they're not allowed to interact with each other or the staff.Halifax2TheMax said:If it were any of you posting from that ship, you’d be screaming for the ACLU and complaining about illegal detention, particularly if you were a “citizen.” Think there’s still an open bar?0 -
I articulated myself 100% wrong, I agree that they should be quarantined somewhere on US soil. Just keep them quarantined on the ship until those facilities are ready.mrussel1 said:
@mcgruff10 too..nicknyr15 said:
If they’re being cared for then what’s the difference where they’re quarantined? I agreeemcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Keep them on the damn ship.tempo_n_groove said:
If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
Not sure why this is an issue?
In what world would cruise ship health care be better than that of the California medical system?
In what world should the CDC not be prepared to handle this situation?
In what world would you think that your parents or children should be left quarantined on a cruise ship rather than getting care as a US citizen?
Have you all checked your empathy at the door?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
The ship is docking today. My point is that Trump ONLY cares about the politics of the matter, not the citizens.mcgruff10 said:
I articulated myself 100% wrong, I agree that they should be quarantined somewhere on US soil. Just keep them quarantined on the ship until those facilities are ready.mrussel1 said:
@mcgruff10 too..nicknyr15 said:
If they’re being cared for then what’s the difference where they’re quarantined? I agreeemcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Keep them on the damn ship.tempo_n_groove said:
If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
Not sure why this is an issue?
In what world would cruise ship health care be better than that of the California medical system?
In what world should the CDC not be prepared to handle this situation?
In what world would you think that your parents or children should be left quarantined on a cruise ship rather than getting care as a US citizen?
Have you all checked your empathy at the door?0 -
Yup I agree with you. I was 100% wrong in my statement. Have facilities ready and take the US citizens off the ship. I can't even imagine being locked in my cabin for days/weeks.mrussel1 said:
The ship is docking today. My point is that Trump ONLY cares about the politics of the matter, not the citizens.mcgruff10 said:
I articulated myself 100% wrong, I agree that they should be quarantined somewhere on US soil. Just keep them quarantined on the ship until those facilities are ready.mrussel1 said:
@mcgruff10 too..nicknyr15 said:
If they’re being cared for then what’s the difference where they’re quarantined? I agreeemcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Keep them on the damn ship.tempo_n_groove said:
If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship? Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.mrussel1 said:Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people. Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
Not sure why this is an issue?
In what world would cruise ship health care be better than that of the California medical system?
In what world should the CDC not be prepared to handle this situation?
In what world would you think that your parents or children should be left quarantined on a cruise ship rather than getting care as a US citizen?
Have you all checked your empathy at the door?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
If you know someone is positive, is there not a safe way to transport them to a medical facility on land? The danger isn't that it's highly contagious, it's people walking around with it unknowingly and spreading it like the flu, no?0
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Trump Overruled Health Officials Who Wanted to Warn the Elderly Not to Fly
The White House removed air travel warnings from a CDC plan meant to control the coronavirus, according to a report that the administration denied
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-overruled-health-officials-warning-elderly-not-to-fly-964230/The White House ordered the removal of language from a federal health coronavirus plan that recommended warning elderly and physically vulnerable Americans not to fly on commercial airlines.
The reason for the change is unknown, according to the AP’s source who had direct knowledge of the original plan submitted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The White House denied the report. The press secretary for Vice President Mike Pence, Katie Miller, took to Twitter on Saturday and wrote, “Nope, not true. AP reporting off one unnamed individual.” Miller also tweeted that the “story is complete fiction. It was never a recommendation to the Task Force.”
One of the administration’s top health officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci, also denied the report on Fox News Sunday.
But as Trump continues to downplay the extent of the virus in the U.S., Fauci told host Chris Wallace, “We are having, obviously, an acceleration in cases now. If you look at it, every day we have more and more.”
According to a new report in the New York Times, the White House has been in upheaval since the virus became a concern, and debates over how the “government’s actions are perceived by the public” and “what would the president think?” are omnipresent.
Trump, of course, lashed out at the Times’ reporting on Twitter, writing, “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus. We moved VERY early to close borders to certain areas, which was a Godsend. V.P. is doing a great job. The Fake News Media is doing everything possible to make us look bad. Sad!”
What’s sad is that most of what the president is telling the public and tweeting about regarding the coronavirus crisis is not true, and his lies put us all in danger.
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lol the Baffoon still has a few posters here believing that he’s our best informed president on this issue lol talk about clueless!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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All that to say I don't think you should keep people quarantined on a cruise ship unless it's absolutely necessary and this doesn't strike me as absolutely necessary0
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If this was the three posters here on that cruise they’d be livid at the response from our supreme leader!CM189191 said:
There was an interview with a few people from MN on the ship. They are not allowed to leave their room. Food is delivered, but they're not allowed to interact with each other or the staff.Halifax2TheMax said:If it were any of you posting from that ship, you’d be screaming for the ACLU and complaining about illegal detention, particularly if you were a “citizen.” Think there’s still an open bar?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
You're absolutely right. This isn't ebola.pjl44 said:If you know someone is positive, is there not a safe way to transport them to a medical facility on land? The danger isn't that it's highly contagious, it's people walking around with it unknowingly and spreading it like the flu, no?0
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