The coronavirus

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

If it were any of you posting from that ship, you’d be screaming for the ACLU and complaining about illegal detention, particularly if you were a “citizen.” Think there’s still an open bar?

I got chickenpox at the ripe age of 34.  I was all set to go on a plane across the country to a business function that was mandatory.

Had to cancel the trip because I had a highly contagious infection and didn't want to spread it knowingly so I stayed home.  Nobody dies from getting chicken pox that I've heard but I stayed home to stop the spread.

The people on that ship need to understand that them staying put helps stop the spread of something that can actually kill people.

It's an inconvenience, yes but it can also be life saving.

I’m assuming you were home, which I’ll also assume is larger than 150-220 square feet, the average size of a cruise ship cabin? I’ll also assume you might not have shared your square footage with a spouse or travel companion and that you were also able to do the other vagaries of life, like pay your bills, care for your pets, maybe even cook and clean, take in the mail, water your plants?

I was not on a ship, correct but I understand about taking one for the team so to speak.  Thanks for using my morale compass against me, nice touch.

I am not worried about contacting the virus should I get it, I'll survive, it's the other people that can't fight off the virus that I would be afraid for. It wouldn't sit well with me knowing I spread something that could potentially kill someone.

I'd love for you to be posting from that ship as your attitude seems to be, "whats the big deal, I stayed home for a week." You were home. With chicken pox. Should I call you a hero for not flying? The bottom line is that the current US government is incapable of dealing with the situation and by now, they should have had a plan for docking, removing, testing and quarantining those passengers requiring it, whether at home or collectively. Canada seems ready and able to remove their citizens. Will Team Trump Treason prevent them from doing so because he doesn't want to look stupid?

You would only spread something if you disobeyed the direction of the medical personnel and went out and about on your daily routine. Are you advocating for those people who are self-isolating to be collectively held? Maybe under armed guard?

Your last sentence grabbed me the most. Man you really go off the fucking rails sometimes...

I also said I’d be mad at them (govt) fornot having a plan. 

Should I not be mad then if I was placed in a hospital under quarantine or that’s acceptable?

I'm not sure what you're worried about. From our very stable geniuses twitter:

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

You tell me? Personally, I'd rather be in a hospital knowing I'm getting medical care, if needed/required, rather than being stuck on a cruise ship with no end in site and no information about my immediate future, and worried about all the shit I have at home to deal with, you know, mortgage payments, car payments, utility bills, because I'm sure the Team Trump Treason Response Team has that part figured out too. Or, allow me to self-isolate at home.

Some people's defense of this idiot in chief is astounding.

I'm not defending Trump though.  Just stating that I thought it was a good idea for them to be on the ship.  Amazing how Trump laways creeps into everything you do.  It must be quite maddening...

Someone posted that the crew is sick. That I did not know.  That changes it a bit then since the people could not very well fend for themselves.  I can change my mind after hearing more facts.

rgambs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

Cruise ships as cesspools at the best of times.  They are environmental disasters and they cater to the laziest and least interesting people who are at least willing to take a vacation.  
Get off my lawn.

Wow, nice.  People that take cruises are lazy.  Got it.

Eh, I wouldn't say that necessarily. Maybe they are hard workers, dedicated parents, committed community members... But their vacation tastes... 🤮

Thanks for spoiling my appetite.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

If it were any of you posting from that ship, you’d be screaming for the ACLU and complaining about illegal detention, particularly if you were a “citizen.” Think there’s still an open bar?

I got chickenpox at the ripe age of 34.  I was all set to go on a plane across the country to a business function that was mandatory.

Had to cancel the trip because I had a highly contagious infection and didn't want to spread it knowingly so I stayed home.  Nobody dies from getting chicken pox that I've heard but I stayed home to stop the spread.

The people on that ship need to understand that them staying put helps stop the spread of something that can actually kill people.

It's an inconvenience, yes but it can also be life saving.

I’m assuming you were home, which I’ll also assume is larger than 150-220 square feet, the average size of a cruise ship cabin? I’ll also assume you might not have shared your square footage with a spouse or travel companion and that you were also able to do the other vagaries of life, like pay your bills, care for your pets, maybe even cook and clean, take in the mail, water your plants?

I was not on a ship, correct but I understand about taking one for the team so to speak.  Thanks for using my morale compass against me, nice touch.

I am not worried about contacting the virus should I get it, I'll survive, it's the other people that can't fight off the virus that I would be afraid for. It wouldn't sit well with me knowing I spread something that could potentially kill someone.

I'd love for you to be posting from that ship as your attitude seems to be, "whats the big deal, I stayed home for a week." You were home. With chicken pox. Should I call you a hero for not flying? The bottom line is that the current US government is incapable of dealing with the situation and by now, they should have had a plan for docking, removing, testing and quarantining those passengers requiring it, whether at home or collectively. Canada seems ready and able to remove their citizens. Will Team Trump Treason prevent them from doing so because he doesn't want to look stupid?

You would only spread something if you disobeyed the direction of the medical personnel and went out and about on your daily routine. Are you advocating for those people who are self-isolating to be collectively held? Maybe under armed guard?

Your last sentence grabbed me the most. Man you really go off the fucking rails sometimes...

I also said I’d be mad at them (govt) fornot having a plan. 

Should I not be mad then if I was placed in a hospital under quarantine or that’s acceptable?

I'm not sure what you're worried about. From our very stable geniuses twitter:

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

You tell me? Personally, I'd rather be in a hospital knowing I'm getting medical care, if needed/required, rather than being stuck on a cruise ship with no end in site and no information about my immediate future, and worried about all the shit I have at home to deal with, you know, mortgage payments, car payments, utility bills, because I'm sure the Team Trump Treason Response Team has that part figured out too. Or, allow me to self-isolate at home.

Some people's defense of this idiot in chief is astounding.

I'm not defending Trump though.  Just stating that I thought it was a good idea for them to be on the ship.  Amazing how Trump laways creeps into everything you do.  It must be quite maddening...

Someone posted that the crew is sick. That I did not know.  That changes it a bit then since the people could not very well fend for themselves.  I can change my mind after hearing more facts.

The ship is docking in Oakland today.  It's the right thing to do.  It's what the experts believe should happen.  This is all about Trump's priorities in his discussion last week.  He also lied saying that anyone that wanted a test, can get a test.  That is 100% false.  

cincybearcat

SO my thoughts:

1) Cruises can be fantastic vacations.
2) I honestly can't believe we didn't learn the lesson from the other cruise ship.  I can't believe I agree with halifax...but there should have been a plan in place once we saw what happened in Japan.  A plan to get people off the boat into other isolation areas.  Still sucks for them, but you reduce the size of the overall group.  You don't rely on cruise staff to all of a sudden become medical professionals and wear and manage their PPE properly.

I've heard interviews with many people in isolation and it seems that there are so many minor cases of this.  This is just about everywhere already, we just aren't testing for it.  Most of the people interviewed, despite the news anchors best attempts to make it a dramatic thing, talk about having a minor cough and getting tylenol and gatorade as they only "medicine".  

tempo_n_groove

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

Cruise ships as cesspools at the best of times.  They are environmental disasters and they cater to the laziest and least interesting people who are at least willing to take a vacation.  
Get off my lawn.

Wow, nice.  People that take cruises are lazy.  Got it.

I went on one once.  If you like to eat and drink then they are great.

Only reason I went is because 50 of my family members went.

Wasn't my thing at all.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

Cruise ships as cesspools at the best of times.  They are environmental disasters and they cater to the laziest and least interesting people who are at least willing to take a vacation.  
Get off my lawn.

Wow, nice.  People that take cruises are lazy.  Got it.

I went on one once.  If you like to eat and drink then they are great.

Only reason I went is because 50 of my family members went.

Wasn't my thing at all.

I've never been.  The thought of those small cabins is enough for me.  I need room and I don't like a lot of people around me.  

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people.  Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...

“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”

“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”

If the ship is indeed infected, why wouldn't you have them stay on the ship?  Keeping them on there would quarantine them successfully.

Not sure why this is an issue?

Agreed.  Keep them on the damn ship. 

If they’re being cared for then what’s the difference where they’re quarantined? I agreee 

@mcgruff10 too..

In what world would cruise ship health care be better than that of the California medical system?
In what world should the CDC not be prepared to handle this situation?
In what world would you think that your parents or children should be left quarantined on a cruise ship rather than getting care as a US citizen?

Have you all checked your empathy at the door?  

I articulated myself 100% wrong, I agree that they should be quarantined somewhere on US soil.  Just keep them quarantined on the ship until those facilities are ready.  

The ship is docking today.  My point is that Trump ONLY cares about the politics of the matter, not the citizens.  

Yup I agree with you.  I was 100% wrong in my statement.  Have facilities ready and take the US citizens off the ship.  I can't even imagine being locked in my cabin for days/weeks.  

But in't that the same off the ship? Aren't people still just locked in their rooms? I remember that the case for the first few dozen cases, they were locked in a hospital room, not allowed to leave or have interaction. So what is the difference if it is there or a boat?

There are two things at play here.  I posted the quote because I think it shows a window into Trump's thinking.  He isn't talking about the spread, he isn't talking about healthcare, he's not talking about citizens.  He's talking about the stats and his 'numbers'.  

Second, I suppose that one could reasonably argue for keeping them on the ship.  Two things:

1. They are citizens and we should make every effort to get them onshore and cared for and/or quarantined in a way fitting of the wealthiest nation the world has ever seen.  
2. The majority of the sick people are the actual crew.. the ones that feed, clean and keep people in their cabins.  We need to get our citizens off the ship.  

I don't see what being onshore will make any difference in terms of care and health. Its a quarantine for potential exposure, right? Maybe for their own comfort, but not in terms of care. SO remove those infected so they can be monitored closely and quarantine the rest.  
But I think I was mistaken, I compared these with previously quarantined people in a hospital. Those were people who did have the virus, not just people who potentially came in contact with someone.

I could see both sides. I think just transporting these people home and asking them to stay there introduces a big risk. Are we going to hire private shuttles to prevent anyone from coming in contact with them if we let them off the ship? Or just let them call an Uber to get home, or ride the public shuttle to the parking kot?

On the other hand I think the fear of this virus is grossly over-hyped. But if I am wrong and every measure to prevent its spread should be taken, and that includes a mandatory and enforced quarantine of a whole ship, then staying on the boat seems most practical and effective. 

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

Cruise ships as cesspools at the best of times.  They are environmental disasters and they cater to the laziest and least interesting people who are at least willing to take a vacation.  
Get off my lawn.

Wow, nice.  People that take cruises are lazy.  Got it.

I went on one once.  If you like to eat and drink then they are great.

Only reason I went is because 50 of my family members went.

Wasn't my thing at all.

I've never been.  The thought of those small cabins is enough for me.  I need room and I don't like a lot of people around me.  

You should try it.  I thought it was great.  The rooms aren't any different than a small hotel room in Chicago.

Great food....casinos....the staff treat you like royalty.  I would definitely do it again.

mcgruff10

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity:
https://www.kmov.com/news/st-louis-county-coronavirus-family-attends-villa-duchesne-dance/article_41ec34a4-6179-11ea-b3e3-6fbf809e7778.html

St. Louis coronavirus: Family breaks quarantine attending Villa father-daughter dance, prompting school closure

FRONTENAC, Mo. (KMOV.com) – The family of the St. Louis County woman who tested positive for COVID-19 broke quarantine and attended a father-daughter school dance Saturday evening at Villa Duchesne, County Executive Sam Page said.

Page said the family was asked to self-quarantine on Thursday, March 5, after the young woman called the county's health hotline and told them her symptoms. However, Page said the father took his other daughter to a father-daughter dinner dance with Villa Duchesne and Oak Hill School (VDOH) at the Ritz-Carlton in Clayton on Saturday. 

In a letter to parents, VDOH officials said the father and daughter didn't learn of the diagnosis until after they were already at the dance. They left the dance immediately after.

[READ: Coronavirus in Missouri: Woman in St. Louis County tests positive for COVID-19]

Sunday afternoon, Page said the coronavirus patient has been acting responsibly and maturely but her father “did not act consistently with the health department’s instructions and instead ... he decided to take his daughter to a school function."

Page said the county learned about the father-daughter dance on Sunday and officials told the man "to stay home or they will issue a formal quarantine that will require him and the rest of his family to stay home by the force of law."

Early Sunday evening, John Burroughs School officials sent a letter to parents saying the father and sister of the infected woman attended an event at the home of a Burroughs family on Saturday before going to the dance. Several other people went to the same home that same night. The school said all those people have been contacted. 

tempo_n_groove

Here ya go @Halifax2TheMax
Page said the county learned about the father-daughter dance on Sunday and officials told the man "to stay home or they will issue a formal quarantine that will require him and the rest of his family to stay home by the force of law."

Kat

josevolution said:

EdsonNascimento said:

josevolution said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/south-korea-coronavirus-testing-death-rate-2020-3?amp I’m sure this administration would rebuke this information!

This is clearly the case.  They know the numerator but the denominator is “self reported.”   Actually, the administration was pointing this out.  

I don’t believe anything this administration has to say about any issues at all! I rebuke all their info 

not.one.damn.word.
+1

Kat

The virus hitchhikes a ride...on people. I'm doing all I can to not give it a ride.

rgambs

Floating malls, ick.
No thanks.

I'm a travel snob though, I don't even approve of resort vacations.  

tempo_n_groove

Kat said:

The virus hitchhikes a ride...on people. I'm doing all I can to not give it a ride.

Cuomo is on TV talking about it right now letting people know that they are overreacting.

brianlux

nicknyr15 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

nicknyr15 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

nicknyr15 said:

I’m no doctor either but I started taking 1-3 drops of oil of oregano and haven’t caught a cold in 2 years. I would be good for 2-3 colds per year before then. 

Oil of oregano?  No shit?  You must be talian.

I sure am. But it was recommended to me years ago by a Greek (still not surprising). And it’s been a life saver. I’ll never go without it. I’m not usually a believer in stuff like that but I’ve 100% saw the difference. 

I'm going to start using it.

TY

North American Herb & Spice Oreganol P73, 1 Fl Oz 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0019LWTQW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_5cJzEbMZ5EJX0

1-2 drops daily. Ramp it up a little if you’re around sick peoole during cold season. It’s strong and gross, but you’ll get used to it. 

Only one to two drops?  Wow!  Do you put it in water or juice?

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

Kat said:

The virus hitchhikes a ride...on people. I'm doing all I can to not give it a ride.

Cuomo is on TV talking about it right now letting people know that they are overreacting.

Who are these people that are overreacting and how are they overreacting?  I'm just curious.  I think the business world is reacting very aggressively.  I don't mean the markets, I'm talking about cancelled conferences, eliminating even domestic travel, etc.  Maybe they are a bit?  

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

Trump telling us, yet again, that he doesn't give a shit about people.  Speaking about the ship off the shore in Oakland...

“I’d rather have the people stay, but I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision.”

“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump continued. “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. And it wasn't the fault of the people on the ship either, okay? It wasn't their fault either and they're mostly Americans. So, I can live either way with it. I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”

I'm surprised he didn't have it forcefully towed out to sea and scuttled. 

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Here ya go @Halifax2TheMax
Page said the county learned about the father-daughter dance on Sunday and officials told the man "to stay home or they will issue a formal quarantine that will require him and the rest of his family to stay home by the force of law."

They were given a choice though, weren’t they? Would you have recommended they have been picked up and detained somewhere? You never answered my question regarding mandatory hospitalization or self-isolation. Again, if your ass was on the boat, I could only imagine your posts.

And to your bolded part, and people thought it was Obama setting up the involuntary detention camps. In a red state no less.

Kat

tempo_n_groove said:

Kat said:

The virus hitchhikes a ride...on people. I'm doing all I can to not give it a ride.

Cuomo is on TV talking about it right now letting people know that they are overreacting.

I think that's a good thing. People need to be careful, not hysterical. Common sense and good information...the experts know and we should listen.

tempo_n_groove

tempo_n_groove said:

Kat said:

The virus hitchhikes a ride...on people. I'm doing all I can to not give it a ride.

Cuomo is on TV talking about it right now letting people know that they are overreacting.

He also asked for a state of emergency over the weekend too...