The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Chris Matthews with his personal agenda and his weird red-scare fears. How can they allow these people sit there spewing BS from a veneer of authority. 


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    ecdanc said:
    Why are you assuming that only women would vote for someone because they’re a woman?
    Jesus, I feel like I'm in a bizarro world around here at times.

    How you extrapolated that from what I said, I have no idea.
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    edited February 2020
    Well, the good news about a Sanders presidency, regardless of winning the nomination in the primaries or at a brokered convention -- Democrats will NEVER win the Senate and COULD lose the House with him as our nominee. So, in effect, even if he squeaks out a victory against Trump, he will not get Medicare For All passed. Or anything else. And then maybe in four years . . . sigh . . . 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,425
    Well, the good news about a Sanders presidency, regardless of winning the nomination in the primaries or at a brokered convention -- Democrats will NEVER win the Senate and COULD lose the House with him as our nominee. So, in effect, even if he squeaks out a victory against Trump, he will not get Medicare For All passed. Or anything else. And then maybe in four years . . . sigh . . . 
    While I'm with you that I don't see us winning the Senate with him at the top (maybe no one), I don't see losing the House and him winning the POTUS.  I don't think that's possible.  
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,762
      “I think it matters a lot what direction we take as a party,” Biden said. “I think the most important thing people are looking for is authenticity: to be able to do what you say you’re going to do, make sure what you say you’re going to do is possible to get done and know how to get it done.”
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    mrussel1 said:
    While I'm with you that I don't see us winning the Senate with him at the top (maybe no one), I don't see losing the House and him winning the POTUS.  I don't think that's possible.  
    It just blows my mind that people don't understand how this works. They will throw away an opportunity to make some progress for a pipe dream that has no chance in hell happening. Dumb. Just dumb.
  • It just blows my mind that people don't understand how this works. They will throw away an opportunity to make some progress for a pipe dream that has no chance in hell happening. Dumb. Just dumb.
    Chris Matthews, is that you?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,425
    It just blows my mind that people don't understand how this works. They will throw away an opportunity to make some progress for a pipe dream that has no chance in hell happening. Dumb. Just dumb.
    At work I always counsel.. don't let perfect be the enemy of good.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,089
    edited February 2020
    MSNBC IS BRINGING OUT ALL THE LOONS. 

    PANIC AT THE STATUS QUO DISCO



    Lol, yeah this guy doesn't want Bernie to win... ofc... 


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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    hedonist said:
    Jesus, I feel like I'm in a bizarro world around here at times.

    How you extrapolated that from what I said, I have no idea.
    I’m explaining your misreading of SC. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm clearly not the only person who read it that way.  One of the few females that frequent the site read it the same.  So maybe you should read twice before you hit "post comment".  
    Your sense of personal responsibility is impressive 
  • New Hampshire moron buys into Bernies Fake news about fake news. 

    Quitcha bitching Bernie and Bros.

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,089
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    At work I always counsel.. don't let perfect be the enemy of good.  
    At work, I always tell engineers "Don't settle with shit, just because you have been fooled to believe you are the shit"

    And they often respond "What has that to do with our new AI solution we're developing?"

    And I say, "So have you heard the new Pearl Jam single?"
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  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,089
    edited February 2020
    New Hampshire moron buys into Bernies Fake news about fake news. 

    Quitcha bitching Bernie and Bros.
    Really doesn't sound like that woman is being a moron




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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,154
    You're not making any sense here. In what way is "the opposite of what (I) say is true"? It's true that homicide rates across the USA have fallen sharply since 1990, to a low in 2014; this isn't specific to NYC. Your own chart shows that murder rates in NYC dropped from the 1990 right through to 2018, clearly continuing to drop despite changes in leadership and policing policies.  I just don't see that it demonstrates what you seem to think it demonstrates. 


    Its misleading to conflate NYs murder rate decline in the 90s with what happened across the country. There were around 2000 per year around  1990 and 600 at the end of the decade.  Almost a 70% decline. The US decline during that period is just not comparable. SAF and broken window started with Rudy in the mid 90s 

    As far as crime coming back present day, let's see what happens with the NYPD's war first unfortunately.  But the signs are there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,089
    edited February 2020
    .... lol.... eh... what... decks of cards... haha...


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  • mrussel1 said:
    At work I always counsel.. don't let perfect be the enemy of good.  
    Not be dunking on your wordsmithing - but this girls last words are a lot better than yours.


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814


    Its misleading to conflate NYs murder rate decline in the 90s with what happened across the country. There were around 2000 per year around  1990 and 600 at the end of the decade.  Almost a 70% decline. The US decline during that period is just not comparable. SAF and broken window started with Rudy in the mid 90s 

    As far as crime coming back present day, let's see what happens with the NYPD's war first unfortunately.  But the signs are there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
    For fucks sake, read the chart YOU posted. 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,848


    Its misleading to conflate NYs murder rate decline in the 90s with what happened across the country. There were around 2000 per year around  1990 and 600 at the end of the decade.  Almost a 70% decline. The US decline during that period is just not comparable. SAF and broken window started with Rudy in the mid 90s 

    As far as crime coming back present day, let's see what happens with the NYPD's war first unfortunately.  But the signs are there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
    You’ve posted no evidence as to why it’s misleading to “conflate” the drop in NYC’s murder rate with the similar drop in murder rates around the country. The drop was bigger, likely because it started from a higher level, but it happened over the same time as everywhere else and ended up about the same. You have one interpretation of the data but I don’t see that you’ve supported it by anything other than your opinion.  
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    You’ve posted no evidence as to why it’s misleading to “conflate” the drop in NYC’s murder rate with the similar drop in murder rates around the country. The drop was bigger, likely because it started from a higher level, but it happened over the same time as everywhere else and ended up about the same. You have one interpretation of the data but I don’t see that you’ve supported it by anything other than your opinion.  
    Stop being so nice. He doesn't understand the data, so his "interpretation" of it is absolutely meaningless. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,425
    You’ve posted no evidence as to why it’s misleading to “conflate” the drop in NYC’s murder rate with the similar drop in murder rates around the country. The drop was bigger, likely because it started from a higher level, but it happened over the same time as everywhere else and ended up about the same. You have one interpretation of the data but I don’t see that you’ve supported it by anything other than your opinion.  
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,425
    You’ve posted no evidence as to why it’s misleading to “conflate” the drop in NYC’s murder rate with the similar drop in murder rates around the country. The drop was bigger, likely because it started from a higher level, but it happened over the same time as everywhere else and ended up about the same. You have one interpretation of the data but I don’t see that you’ve supported it by anything other than your opinion.  
    It would be interesting to see when the mandatory minimums changed,  three strikes you're out, and other harsher penalties.  Curious if there's some correlation between those changes and the drops in the 90s.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,645
    hedonist said:
    Jesus, I feel like I'm in a bizarro world around here at times.

    How you extrapolated that from what I said, I have no idea.
    Get used to it, it’s the new norm around here. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,425
    Get used to it, it’s the new norm around here. 
    Only if we let it....
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    Only if we let it....
    Jesus Christ, people. She misread the post. It’s not a big deal, but do you really have to pretend it didn’t happen just because you dislike SC?

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,425
    ecdanc said:
    Jesus Christ, people. She misread the post. It’s not a big deal, but do you really have to pretend it didn’t happen just because you dislike SC?

    I like SC quite a bit.  He's grown on me... other than the video spamming
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,645
    mrussel1 said:
    I like SC quite a bit.  He's grown on me... other than the video spamming
    This. Mostly cause I hate having to scroll past videos and gifs and memes and pictures to get to posts. But overall, while I certainly have my disagreements, I at least feel like he is a real person. 
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    ecdanc said:
    Jesus Christ, people. She misread the post. It’s not a big deal, but do you really have to pretend it didn’t happen just because you dislike SC?

    I don’t believe I misread. And no, I am not calling SC a sexist. The comment could be taken that way though.

    This is hilarious.  
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