This is fantastic. It's seeming more and more like Sanders knows he's not going to win, but wants to get commitments from the Biden campaign to include more progressive policies before he drops out. This is the right time to use this leverage, and arguably the USA will never be more receptive of M4A than they would be right now.
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We missed the whole thing with all the other shit going down today. Was there any basic consensus of thought about the debate earlier tonight? Any thing that stood out?
Bernie: I don't have any answers, but I have a lot of questions . Here are my complaints. Now what are you going to do about it Joe?
Biden: Here's a list of specific items I have accomplished to address your complaints, and what I plan to do going forward.
Bernie: But you didn't do enoooouuuugh. Also, I voted against everything you just said.
He's basically the Karen of politics, demanding to speak to the manager
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Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,451
We missed the whole thing with all the other shit going down today. Was there any basic consensus of thought about the debate earlier tonight? Any thing that stood out?
Bernie: I don't have any answers, but I have a lot of questions . Here are my complaints. Now what are you going to do about it Joe?
Biden: Here's a list of specific items I have accomplished to address your complaints, and what I plan to do going forward.
Bernie: But you didn't do enoooouuuugh. Also, I voted against everything you just said.
He's basically the Karen of politics, demanding to speak to the manager
hahaha I thought Bernie came off really annoying. Smirking, making weird facial expressions. Trying to listen to Biden's responses, it was kind of distracting.
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Tammy Baldwin would be someone worth thinking about too. Wisconsin is hugely important, obviously
Is she eligible? She was born in Thailand, I think, but her father was in army or something. Otherwise she would be an excellent choice.
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Agree, here. Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+.
I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
I like her. She actually never said anything bad about Joe and seemed complimentary when asked, so I figured they could work well together.
I like her too. And she's pretty moderate (even appears on Fox News sometimes), and a military veteran so maybe she can pull in some independents. And, she's relatively unknown despite her "presidential campaign" so she isn't liked or loathed like some of the other candidates.
That said, it won't be her.
I just hope it's not Warren or Harris, because I can't stand either of them. Klobuchar, Gillibrand, or even Hillary would be good. It definitely won't be Hillary, but if she didn't already run in 2016, she'd be the perfect running-mate for Biden.
This is fantastic. It's seeming more and more like Sanders knows he's not going to win, but wants to get commitments from the Biden campaign to include more progressive policies before he drops out. This is the right time to use this leverage, and arguably the USA will never be more receptive of M4A than they would be right now.
1. I'm okay with the 125k number for 'free college or university' but I want to see more details and parameters around in demand degrees, and the like. I'd also want the first two years to be community college.
2. I need to read the bankruptcy reform rules from Warren. This is something that's very sensitive in the credit world. If you go back to being able to discharge student debt as easily as revolving debt, you will see student lending tighten up severely, reducing the number of people that can attend college (above that 125k line, assuming that bill goes).
I'm sure it would be challenged bc the GOP are asses
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Agree, here. Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+.
I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
my list was really in particular order
They are all more qualified than the current dumpster fire
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I like her. She actually never said anything bad about Joe and seemed complimentary when asked, so I figured they could work well together.
I like her too. And she's pretty moderate (even appears on Fox News sometimes), and a military veteran so maybe she can pull in some independents. And, she's relatively unknown despite her "presidential campaign" so she isn't liked or loathed like some of the other candidates.
That said, it won't be her.
I just hope it's not Warren or Harris, because I can't stand either of them. Klobuchar, Gillibrand, or even Hillary would be good. It definitely won't be Hillary, but if she didn't already run in 2016, she'd be the perfect running-mate for Biden.
I agree.
Tulsi gets hammered for her “present” vote, but I actually believe she was where a lot of Americans were on the issue at the time. Right or wrong, if the ultimate goal is to get rid of Baffoon, I believe her stance would be appealing to a lot of moderates, independents, people who just want to get back to normal.
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Agree, here. Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+.
I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
my list was really in particular order
They are all more qualified than the current dumpster fire
Biden is alive on a bit of a technicality. It’s an important choice (assuming he has a chance to beat God’s Chosen One). For me Warren is the one most ready to be president. Not to mention a potential draw for the Bernie Bros.
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Biden is alive on a bit of a technicality. It’s an important choice (assuming he has a chance to beat God’s Chosen One). For me Warren is the one most ready to be president. Not to mention a potential draw for the Bernie Bros.
Free college under $125k? How to pay for it? Any details? without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
There's been various mentions of options as this plan has been modified and kicked around the last several years. This sounds like a mix of several ideas and plans that have been proposed, but mayble most closely related to Hillary's. This article provides some pretty good details on how it might get paid .
Free college under $125k? How to pay for it? Any details? without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years.
Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.
Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?
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Agree, here. Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+.
I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
if Amy, then Mn gov can appoint Franken as replacement til elected.......
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Agree, here. Warren should be last on most any list of women to be VP, unless she is somehow the silver bullet that they believe will get Joe the win....in which case she should be first.
Strictly based on age -- go ahead and take shots, but I want the running mate chosen by Joe to be someone who is not 70+.
I think Amy would be the best choice from that list.
if Amy, then Mn gov can appoint Franken as replacement til elected.......
I'm okay with this
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Free college under $125k? How to pay for it? Any details? without specific targeted trades or skills it's just a bad non-plan.
Seriously! I've been asking myself the same question for years.
Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.
Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?
🙃
I'd agree to Obama's plan. Free community college then they can transfer to Other schools..... with revamped student loan system.
CC on to State/private University is smarter financially anyway. Why pay that much for required courses anyway.
NEED to push trade/vocational education as much as they do college. Some folks just dont fit the college mold.
100% on all points except... I don't believe the gov't should ever pay for someone's entrance into a private institution. Public only.
Agreed. All prisons should be publicly owned institutions. No private prisons.
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This is fantastic. It's seeming more and more like Sanders knows he's not going to win, but wants to get commitments from the Biden campaign to include more progressive policies before he drops out. This is the right time to use this leverage, and arguably the USA will never be more receptive of M4A than they would be right now.
Agree..Sanders knows he cant win but is putting the screws to Biden to get his ideas in there.
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This is fantastic. It's seeming more and more like Sanders knows he's not going to win, but wants to get commitments from the Biden campaign to include more progressive policies before he drops out. This is the right time to use this leverage, and arguably the USA will never be more receptive of M4A than they would be right now.
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Thank god.
Bernie: I don't have any answers, but I have a lot of questions . Here are my complaints. Now what are you going to do about it Joe?
I thought Bernie came off really annoying. Smirking, making weird facial expressions. Trying to listen to Biden's responses, it was kind of distracting.
Otherwise she would be an excellent choice.
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That said, it won't be her.
I just hope it's not Warren or Harris, because I can't stand either of them. Klobuchar, Gillibrand, or even Hillary would be good. It definitely won't be Hillary, but if she didn't already run in 2016, she'd be the perfect running-mate for Biden.
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2. I need to read the bankruptcy reform rules from Warren. This is something that's very sensitive in the credit world. If you go back to being able to discharge student debt as easily as revolving debt, you will see student lending tighten up severely, reducing the number of people that can attend college (above that 125k line, assuming that bill goes).
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I'm sure it would be challenged bc the GOP are asses
They are all more qualified than the current dumpster fire
Tulsi gets hammered for her “present” vote, but I actually believe she was where a lot of Americans were on the issue at the time. Right or wrong, if the ultimate goal is to get rid of Baffoon, I believe her stance would be appealing to a lot of moderates, independents, people who just want to get back to normal.
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100% agree
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Military, paved roads, police, fire department, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, public schools.
Who pays for all these FREE services? Where's all this money magically come from?
🙃
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Agreed. All prisons should be publicly owned institutions. No private prisons.
Agree..Sanders knows he cant win but is putting the screws to Biden to get his ideas in there.
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