And if we weren't all collectively fixated on Covid19, that might've helped him bounce back, but it seems to be a hugely unimportant topic when the two are put side-by-side.
No, it wouldn't have helped. He won the state last Tuesday effectively, and it was baked into the narrative already.
Gotcha. Didn't look at California's interim but that makes sense.
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When it comes to Democratic Party politics California is no South Carolina.
If SC was on Super Tuesday or this past Tuesday, it would have mattered less. The timing is everything. By time CA was done on ST, Biden had basically romped including states where he should have been weak. The narrative was written. TX then affirmed it as well.
The other thing about CA that would have been analyzed is that 4 candidates that are now gone made up 34% of the vote. If it were a one on one match between Biden and Sanders, there's no reason to think Biden could not have won on his own.
At the debate, it should start with Biden saying "And before we start, lousy moderator, I just want to present my running mate - Comrade Bernie Sanders" and then it would be they to having a civil discussion about how to fuck up Trump.
one old white man is enough. pick a woman. or if it's a man make it a person of color. time to make the government look like the electorate.
I say pick the right person who you think can really lead the country if need be. Their gender or race shouldn’t matter at all.
I agree with that statement partially. Would I suggest picking Sara Palin over Bernie? Absolutely not. She's a train wreck of epic proportions. I have faith that democrats wouldn't choose a "token" minority, they'd choose a very capable person to fill the position, while advocating for diversity.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.
I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.
I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.
I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.
I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?
Sanders winning 184 delegates to Biden's 144, with 81 delegates left to be allocated
I'm not 100% on delegate counting. But it's not all or nothing? Biden still gets a pretty big bump of support here?
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Sanders winning 184 delegates to Biden's 144, with 81 delegates left to be allocated
I'm not 100% on delegate counting. But it's not all or nothing? Biden still gets a pretty big bump of support here?
If you get 15% in a district, you're viable. And then delegates get awarded proportionately. That's why it's so damn hard for Sanders to catch up. He basically needs 53% in every state going forward. And every time he doesn't, that number goes up.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.
I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.
I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?
It was referring to another poster and I believe the twitter thread that was shared perhaps by you?
Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.
Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.
Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.
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Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.
Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.
Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.
That's just not the way Biden operates, and you know this. He would never do that. Allegedly Sanders never wanted to go hard after Biden because he really like him personally. I don't know that it's true or not, but that's the story that his people were dropping in the media.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.
I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.
I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?
It was referring to another poster and I believe the twitter thread that was shared perhaps by you?
Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.
Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.
Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.
Serious question. Do you think that he can beat Trump without the support of the Bernie Bloc? I think a move like that might alienate a lot of potential supporters. My opinion has always been that winning the Dem nom is one thing and beating Trump is another. As a Bernie supporter that will gladly support Biden in opposition to Trump, I don’t think a large part of the Bernie base would show up for Biden after a serious diss. Even if Joe has the support without these voters it would still be a risky move.
Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.
Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.
Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.
That's just not the way Biden operates, and you know this. He would never do that. Allegedly Sanders never wanted to go hard after Biden because he really like him personally. I don't know that it's true or not, but that's the story that his people were dropping in the media.
I think a debate with Bernie would be helpful. Highlight the differences on how to get there and how far you can go. I still think the berniebrosises will sit out because "The Establishment." And they think of themselves and Bernie as being ideologically pure.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.
I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.
I missed your original response about "shaming people". I'm not sure why you'd consider what i said shaming anyone?
It was referring to another poster and I believe the twitter thread that was shared perhaps by you?
I don't think I nkow how to share a twitter post.
Twitter post shared by Hugh. You had some reasoned debate another poster Has decided that questioning Joe and the DNC is grounds for shaming and acting like a jerk. I will admit I participated in the back and forth so it’s partially on me
Biden should pull a power move and just not show up to the debate. He's got nothing to gain by showing up.
Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.
Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.
Serious question. Do you think that he can beat Trump without the support of the Bernie Bloc? I think a move like that might alienate a lot of potential supporters. My opinion has always been that winning the Dem nom is one thing and beating Trump is another. As a Bernie supporter that will gladly support Biden in opposition to Trump, I don’t think a large part of the Bernie base would show up for Biden after a serious diss. Even if Joe has the support without these voters it would still be a risky move.
Yes. This election is referendum on Trump. Not on Biden, not on Bernie, not on either of their policies.
The only decision that voters have to make, is whether they want to vote for Trump, or vote for the person that isn't Trump.
Voting third party, or not voting at all, is the same as a vote for Trump. There are now two options in this race: Trump, or Biden.
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It may have been said earlier, but I would try to stay in the race as long as possible if my opponents were in their upper 70's. Morbid, but even if no clear path to the nomination the coronavirus is out there. Not wishing ill will on anyone but you never know.
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Yeah, I have no idea when it was said. Just sums up my feeling on the matter. People who shriek at you are persuasive in the opposite direction they intend.
Each sentence contradicts the one that preceeds it.
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At this point I am for whatever candidate can get TP back on the shelves. It’s crazy out there I just went to get a snack at Randall’s and just out of morbid curiosity looked at the TP aisle....completely bare....
Scio me nihil scire
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,360
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
really want to know her definition of suppression...
I’d say waiting in line for 3 hours is a form of suppression, particularly when you compare population density of registered voters by precincts and subsequent distribution of polling place employees and voting machines. It’s well documented. Whether AOC’s claim in this particular instance is accurate, I don’t know. But it’s worth investigating and if found to be true, there should be remedies.
really want to know her definition of suppression...
I’d say waiting in line for 3 hours is a form of suppression, particularly when you compare population density of registered voters by precincts and subsequent distribution of polling place employees and voting machines. It’s well documented. Whether AOC’s claim in this particular instance is accurate, I don’t know. But it’s worth investigating and if found to be true, there should be remedies.
my counter would be, despite a higher registered voter number, the election boards prepare based on historical turnout i.e. number of poll workers and machines at a given location.
further, there is no way to predict, along with actual turnout, just what time a set of voters will actually appear.
so the states either put up the cash to have enough machines in place for all eligible voters, registered or not. And have an equal number of volunteers on hand to meet that potential demand. or the voters put ul with the inconvenience consistantly to force states to to put up the cash to meet demand.
this is driven by citizen apathy not sinister motives although that can also play a role.
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really want to know her definition of suppression...
I’d say waiting in line for 3 hours is a form of suppression, particularly when you compare population density of registered voters by precincts and subsequent distribution of polling place employees and voting machines. It’s well documented. Whether AOC’s claim in this particular instance is accurate, I don’t know. But it’s worth investigating and if found to be true, there should be remedies.
my counter would be, despite a higher registered voter number, the election boards prepare based on historical turnout i.e. number of poll workers and machines at a given location.
further, there is no way to predict, along with actual turnout, just what time a set of voters will actually appear.
so the states either put up the cash to have enough machines in place for all eligible voters, registered or not. And have an equal number of volunteers on hand to meet that potential demand. or the voters put ul with the inconvenience consistantly to force states to to put up the cash to meet demand.
this is driven by citizen apathy not sinister motives although that can also play a role.
really want to know her definition of suppression...
I’d say waiting in line for 3 hours is a form of suppression, particularly when you compare population density of registered voters by precincts and subsequent distribution of polling place employees and voting machines. It’s well documented. Whether AOC’s claim in this particular instance is accurate, I don’t know. But it’s worth investigating and if found to be true, there should be remedies.
my counter would be, despite a higher registered voter number, the election boards prepare based on historical turnout i.e. number of poll workers and machines at a given location.
further, there is no way to predict, along with actual turnout, just what time a set of voters will actually appear.
so the states either put up the cash to have enough machines in place for all eligible voters, registered or not. And have an equal number of volunteers on hand to meet that potential demand. or the voters put ul with the inconvenience consistantly to force states to to put up the cash to meet demand.
this is driven by citizen apathy not sinister motives although that can also play a role.
I disagree.
The charge of voter suppression carries the accusation that it was intentional and deliberate. Being poorly managed, underestimating the turnout, not having enough workers, these are examples of perhaps unpreparedness, but not a deliberate attempt to try and prevent one group of people from voting.
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The other thing about CA that would have been analyzed is that 4 candidates that are now gone made up 34% of the vote. If it were a one on one match between Biden and Sanders, there's no reason to think Biden could not have won on his own.
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If I'm reading this right : https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/politics/bernie-sanders-wins-california/index.html
Sanders winning 184 delegates to Biden's 144, with 81 delegates left to be allocated
I'm not 100% on delegate counting. But it's not all or nothing? Biden still gets a pretty big bump of support here?
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Let Sanders have the entire time, scream at the TV cameras, continue to dig his own grave.
Biden already has the nomination in hand. and he would beat Trump at his own game, if Trump was thinking about skipping the debates. Trump would rattle off some tweet about how Biden was too scared to debate, forcing Trump to show.
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This election is referendum on Trump. Not on Biden, not on Bernie, not on either of their policies.
The only decision that voters have to make, is whether they want to vote for Trump, or vote for the person that isn't Trump.
Voting third party, or not voting at all, is the same as a vote for Trump. There are now two options in this race: Trump, or Biden.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/487383-ocasio-cortez-rampant-voter-suppression-contributed-to-sanderss-loss-in
This actually makes sense to you?
Each sentence contradicts the one that preceeds it.
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