The Democratic Presidential Debates

The Juggler said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

DEBATE RANKING

1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)

You ranking @cincybearcat

1) Pete
2) Warren

3) Joe
4) Bernie

5) Amy
6) Bloomberg


Not that different.

Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.

There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 

I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 

Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?

I don't think they are making that specific connection...

What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...

Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .

You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 

Word choice matters, bruh. 

Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!

Reading is hard. 

Nah reading is easy. For example, a few posts up you said you didn't like Pete because of, "His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness."

So you're racist too? 

Or are you sexist because he's a man? Because lord knows Amy and Warren have "insufferable whiteness" too. 

See? Isn't this bullshit annoying?

It’s an annoyance I’m used to. Lots of people don’t understand what racism and sexism are. You sound like some of my freshmen, so I’m not particularly annoyed. 

See, folks? ^ This is the stuff I am talking about. You're killing yourselves over your wokeness. I see it a lot from Bernie supporters. That is not helping you beat Trump. 

The Juggler said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

DEBATE RANKING

1. Warren (fighting to survive. Killed Bloomberg all by herself)

2. Sanders (Energized and refuted attacks ("if not capitalist it must be communism" "Your healthcare plan is expensive" effecticly. 
3. Pete (Best at showing an alternative to Sanders)

4. Biden (Not bad per se but disappeared a lot)
5. Amy (think's her "punchlines" are smarter and more fun then they are)

6. Bloomberg (a Trump test dummie)

You ranking @cincybearcat

1) Pete
2) Warren

3) Joe
4) Bernie

5) Amy
6) Bloomberg


Not that different.

Yeah and after finishing the debate last night...might need to move Warren up to the #1 and slide Pete down 1 spot.  While I didn't always like what she said or what she was doing, Warren dominated the narrative of the night.  Pete was solid, but got a little petty with Amy I thought...though Amy's responses to him did highlight potential risk with her....she may have finished below Bloomberg even.  Joe/Bernie was basically a wash and could be flipped.  I put Joe ahead because he benefited on stage the most by Bloomberg being attacked. Well, bernie benefited in that people didnt attack him as much as well.

There's a weird vibe between Pete and Amy.  She does not like him and takes what he says very personally, it appears. 

I dont think anyone in the race likes Pete. Honestly. Hes like that dude from The Big Bang Theory. 

i think the rest have respect for eachother. But they don’t like Pete. 

Why would an adult dislike someone based on similarity to a character from a sitcom?

I don't think they are making that specific connection...

What connection are they making? I don't understand your point either. Seems like mostly a Pete and Amy thing...

Pete is unlikeable. Other people are also unlikeable.                                                                         .

You're a homophobe. Per the standards you've set for yourself on this board, I can call you a homophobe for saying Pete is unlikeable because you called me sexist yesterday for saying Amy was unlikeable. 

Word choice matters, bruh. 

Agreed. How dare you use a word as nasty as “unlikeable.” Bigotry!

Reading is hard. 

Nah reading is easy. For example, a few posts up you said you didn't like Pete because of, "His politics mainly, but also his insufferable whiteness."

So you're racist too? 

Or are you sexist because he's a man? Because lord knows Amy and Warren have "insufferable whiteness" too. 

See? Isn't this bullshit annoying?

It’s an annoyance I’m used to. Lots of people don’t understand what racism and sexism are. You sound like some of my freshmen, so I’m not particularly annoyed. 

See, folks? ^ This is the stuff I am talking about. You're killing yourselves over your wokeness. I see it a lot from Bernie supporters. That is not helping you beat Trump. 

what dreams said:

I don't vote for candidates because I like them. I vote for the candidates whose policies most align with my values.  I don't vote for candidates because I think they can win. I vote for the person I *want* to win. If everyone did that, the naturally strong candidate will emerge. The candidate that most people *want* will get the most votes. 

Call me old fashioned but isn't this how it's supposed to work?

mcgruff10 said:

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mrussel1 said:

You should read that AmCon article I posted yesterday.  It will give you insight..  he's bourgeois and cis.  https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gays-who-hate-pete-buttigieg/

Good article.  I like him even more after reading it.

And within that article, did you click and read the article that it's referencing? (https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-queer-opposition-to-pete-buttigieg-explained) It's so bizarre to think that there are folks on the far-left that feel that he's basically not gay ENOUGH or something. Even going as far as to call him a "straight man in a gay man's body" in the article. Weird. 

It is so weird. I hate the far left and far right.  

The Juggler said:

Folks,

Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Juggler said:

Folks,

Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 

I'm totally on board with this and will support whomever the nominee is. Unfortunately, the Berniebrosises will not if Bernie isn't the man. And in Team Trump Treason fashion, they prefer the chaos of what another 4 years of Team Trump Treason does to uniting behind the dem nominee as it opens the door a little more for their vision of utopia, even if they have to wait 4 more years for another chance and suffer irreparable harm in the meantime. What a bitter old man Bernie will be in his final days.

And if bernie is the nominee many independents and moderate dems are not voting for him

Dems are screwed either way

Might as well vote for trump

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Folks,

Here's the thing...after yesterday's unsurprising news that Russia is at it again and Trump is covering it up, we all have to be on the same page. That's number one.

Number two...no matter who the nominee is, a moderate billionaire with a sexist past from a sexist time, a former Obama VP, or a socialist senator from Vermont who is closer to the NRA than most would like.....one thing is clear---WE ALL HAVE TO UNITE BEHIND WHOMEVER IS THE NOMINEE.

Donald Trump is an existential risk to our democracy. Defeating him is more important than literally ANY OTHER ISSUE in this campaign. I really hope the candidates in the next debate focus on that instead of tearing each other down. That's number three (Biden voice).

You know I am an independent. My views are moderate mostly. But I can tell with 100% certainty that I will back Bernie or Elizabeth, or the reincarnation of Hillary as a result of a brokered convention. I also pledge to volunteer my time to help whomever it is. I hope you all will do the same.

Quit the bickering. Focus on the most important thing that unites all of us------defeating this fucking Russian stooge in November. Literally the future of the country is dependent upon this.  Anything else you care about policy-wise should be a distant second. 

That all sounds well and good, Juggler. But if Sanders goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not the 1,991 he needs to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to someone else, forget about beating Trump, I think it could be an electoral death-sentence for the Democrats. Let's say, hypothetically, that Sanders gets 33% of the total votes in the primary and that's the plurality, but he doesn't receive the nomination. Well that's 33% of registered democrats that might tell the party to fuck off forever. 

I've said this many times, democrats love finding ways to lose elections they should win.

Doesn't mean we can't do whatever we can to help whoever the nominee is

That's true. I just think, in this scenario where Sanders has a plurality but not the majority, granting him the nomination likely will bode well for Trump's re-election, but to deny him the nomination will have ramifications that go well beyond the Trump presidency....

I personally think Trump will beat whoever the nominee is. So for the sake of their democratic party's future, the DNC better not fuck with their voters and say "Sure you like Bernie Sanders, but we're smarter than you and we know he can't beat Trump, so here's Bloomberg." That would blow up in their faces two-fold. First off, they'll piss off a large portion of their party, and secondly, in my opinion, Bloomberg will lose anyway. 

You're not exactly going out on a limb predicting treacherous waters if there is a brokered convention, dude. Of course that will dramatically weaken whoever is the nominee. 

My point is a simple one--no matter who it is/no matter how it plays out, support him/her and stop driving wedges before it's too late. The democrats have, once again, offered up a less than ideal field of candidates. Trump should be easy to beat but they are stepping all over themselves yet again. We gotta come together. Too much is at stake. 

I'm not suggesting I'm going out on a limb, dude. I know I'm saying what anyone else that understands this process already knows. But your "we gotta come together, too much is at stake" stance is easier said than done. If by some chance Sanders gets the nomination, will Bloomberg and Biden be behind him? Warren likely will, but I'm not sure about them. And if he doesn't win the nomination, and it's perceived by his supporters that he was screwed, they're not going to come out and vote for Bloomberg or whoever. 

Also, half the country loves Trump, and they've already banded together. In fact, their bond (or whatever you wanna call it) has become stronger over the past four years. They're all in unison to see the democrats destroyed. You want (as I do, but I'm skeptical that it happens) the other half of the country to come together over the course of June through November. Not impossible, but as I said, easier said than done.

Yes. They've already said as much. Bloomberg even said he will continue his spending machine on whoever the nominee is. THAT is the kind of unity the democrats need right now. Not what we saw a few days ago. That's the point.
One of Sanders' campaign managers or top surrogates came out earlier this week and said they would not accept his money. THAT is exactly what we do not need. 

Again--I don't think you are saying anything new. The incumbent always has an advantage. This one, in particular, should be easier to beat than the democrats are making it out to be. Despite the stuff you say in your second paragraph, it is still true that he has a lower approval rating than just about any incumbent in the history of polling running for re-election. And before you say something about polls, just about every incumbent in the history of polling has also gotten within a point or two of his approvals on election day. So he SHOULD be easy to beat. The democrats are shooting themselves in their collective foot. They need to stop. And fast.