Something really big has to happen for Bernie to turn these numbers. If you remember, the polling you posted right before Super Tuesday turned out to be accurate. Nothing has changed over the weekend. A Jesse Jackson endorsement is not going to get it done, especially with Booker endorsing Biden. Sanders needs Joe to come down with the virus or something.
All things considered, it's been a hell of a run for him over the past 5 or so years.
I contend he has himself to blame. He should have never dubbed himself a "Democratic Socialist." I guess he was trying to distinguish between socialism in the communist-sense, and what he's proposing. But the word "socialist" is just too toxic. If he never called himself that, I don't think he'd be looked at that differently than Obama. Obama was called a socialist too by the republicans. But he fought through it. Bernie's just doubles down. It's like he's basically saying "I'm not talking about Stalin's brand of socialism! I'm talking about MY brand of socialism. I know what I'm doing!"
Once again, the corrupt media and D corporatists were able to change both the responses to the fake polls, and the actual electoral results. Everyone loves Bernie, even you. You just don't know it because of the gaslighting. Fool.
It's funny to watch someone who was a Senator for decades rail against the establishment
and by funny I mean sad
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All things considered, it's been a hell of a run for him over the past 5 or so years.
I contend he has himself to blame. He should have never dubbed himself a "Democratic Socialist." I guess he was trying to distinguish between socialism in the communist-sense, and what he's proposing. But the word "socialist" is just too toxic. If he never called himself that, I don't think he'd be looked at that differently than Obama. Obama was called a socialist too by the republicans. But he fought through it. Bernie's just doubles down. It's like he's basically saying "I'm not talking about Stalin's brand of socialism! I'm talking about MY brand of socialism. I know what I'm doing!"
Is there a way to send that comment to Chaos' inbox? This is Bernies problem in a nutshell.
Too much video of Bernie shrugging his shoulders when asked if he was a socialist. He should have known better. He moved from Brooklyn to Vermont because it wasnt far left enough.
All things considered, it's been a hell of a run for him over the past 5 or so years.
I contend he has himself to blame. He should have never dubbed himself a "Democratic Socialist." I guess he was trying to distinguish between socialism in the communist-sense, and what he's proposing. But the word "socialist" is just too toxic. If he never called himself that, I don't think he'd be looked at that differently than Obama. Obama was called a socialist too by the republicans. But he fought through it. Bernie's just doubles down. It's like he's basically saying "I'm not talking about Stalin's brand of socialism! I'm talking about MY brand of socialism. I know what I'm doing!"
Is there a way to send that comment to Chaos' inbox? This is Bernies problem in a nutshell.
Too much video of Bernie shrugging his shoulders when asked if he was a socialist. He should have known better. He moved from Brooklyn to Vermont because it wasnt far left enough.
Why would I need the info?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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Better than the corrupt golfer in the WH today... you know the guy who lied to you at the CDC event.. The guy that chose not to use the international test kits offered by the WHO and Germany, and now we have no kits available in the US... that corrupt, incompetent fool.
I find the overlooking of all sorts of behavior and history just because the other guy is worse is very problematic. Sure he invaded women’s personal space and doesn’t have a very reliable progressive record, but at least he’s not Trump. Oh well I guess that’s what we deserve.
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
A huge problem to me is that this election is all about beating Trump. I agree he needs to be voted out but if all the DNC can muster up is let’s vote Trump out I don’t see it as being very successful. The way to win is to have something or someone that inspires people to take part which the establishment dishrags just don’t do. Trump got elected because like it or not he inspired the Republicans to vote for something.
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
💯 agreement on this
There were 20 candidates. It wasn't a 'lesser of two evils' choice. It's not like Biden swept Tuesday by overloading the media with ads either. He spent a fraction of what Sanders spent, yet people came out in droves for Biden. What we're seeing is that for majority of voters in the Democratic party, they just aren't as dissatisfied with the old guard as the Republicans were. In fact, the vast majority of the party look fondly upon the Obama/Biden administration. The same could not be said about the Bush admin.
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
💯 agreement on this
There were 20 candidates. It wasn't a 'lesser of two evils' choice. It's not like Biden swept Tuesday by overloading the media with ads either. He spent a fraction of what Sanders spent, yet people came out in droves for Biden. What we're seeing is that for majority of voters in the Democratic party, they just aren't as dissatisfied with the old guard as the Republicans were. In fact, the vast majority of the party look fondly upon the Obama/Biden administration. The same could not be said about the Bush admin.
I think that’s the problem: whittling 20 candidates down to Biden. Also, I think it’s Obama himself that the party looks back on fondly. The VP could’ve been anyone. Biden’s fortunate it was him.
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
💯 agreement on this
There were 20 candidates. It wasn't a 'lesser of two evils' choice. It's not like Biden swept Tuesday by overloading the media with ads either. He spent a fraction of what Sanders spent, yet people came out in droves for Biden. What we're seeing is that for majority of voters in the Democratic party, they just aren't as dissatisfied with the old guard as the Republicans were. In fact, the vast majority of the party look fondly upon the Obama/Biden administration. The same could not be said about the Bush admin.
I think that’s the problem: whittling 20 candidates down to Biden. Also, I think it’s Obama himself that the party looks back on fondly. The VP could’ve been anyone. Biden’s fortunate it was him.
Anyone could have captured the imagination like Obama did, but none of them did. And you could argue that Biden on the ticket in 08 won over some independents, moderates, etc. Obama was no sure thing in 08 by any means. I think you underestimate the fondness that many of us lifelong Democrats have for Joe Biden. It didn't take much for the party to coalesce behind him, including all the Senators that were his opponents. That's no coincidence. I was all in on Biden to start the campaign, drifted away to Pete, but I was happy when the shit hit the fan last week. I walked into the booth without a shred of uncertainty.
A huge problem to me is that this election is all about beating Trump. I agree he needs to be voted out but if all the DNC can muster up is let’s vote Trump out I don’t see it as being very successful. The way to win is to have something or someone that inspires people to take part which the establishment dishrags just don’t do. Trump got elected because like it or not he inspired the Republicans to vote for something.
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A huge problem to me is that this election is all about beating Trump. I agree he needs to be voted out but if all the DNC can muster up is let’s vote Trump out I don’t see it as being very successful. The way to win is to have something or someone that inspires people to take part which the establishment dishrags just don’t do. Trump got elected because like it or not he inspired the Republicans to vote for something.
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
💯 agreement on this
There were 20 candidates. It wasn't a 'lesser of two evils' choice. It's not like Biden swept Tuesday by overloading the media with ads either. He spent a fraction of what Sanders spent, yet people came out in droves for Biden. What we're seeing is that for majority of voters in the Democratic party, they just aren't as dissatisfied with the old guard as the Republicans were. In fact, the vast majority of the party look fondly upon the Obama/Biden administration. The same could not be said about the Bush admin.
I think that’s the problem: whittling 20 candidates down to Biden. Also, I think it’s Obama himself that the party looks back on fondly. The VP could’ve been anyone. Biden’s fortunate it was him.
Anyone could have captured the imagination like Obama did, but none of them did. And you could argue that Biden on the ticket in 08 won over some independents, moderates, etc. Obama was no sure thing in 08 by any means. I think you underestimate the fondness that many of us lifelong Democrats have for Joe Biden. It didn't take much for the party to coalesce behind him, including all the Senators that were his opponents. That's no coincidence. I was all in on Biden to start the campaign, drifted away to Pete, but I was happy when the shit hit the fan last week. I walked into the booth without a shred of uncertainty.
No I believe there’s fondness of Biden. I like him too. I just think he’ll be the last Dem standing in the primary based off of process of elimination, rather than actual excitement for him or his candidacy. Like Dole or Kerry before him.
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More from the Q poll today. Another difference between him and Hillary is people like him. HRC's unfavorable was 54%. Joe's is 40%. ---This point CANNOT be stressed enough. HRC had decades built in of people hating her. Joe has generally been likeable forever.
In head to head matchups with President Trump among registered voters, Biden gets support from more than half of registered voters against the incumbent president, while Sanders does not. Biden leads Trump 52 - 41 percent, and Sanders leads Trump 49 - 42 percent.
Looking at favorabilities among registered voters, Biden is by far the most favorably viewed. Biden is viewed favorably by 45 percent and unfavorably by 40 percent, while Sanders gets a negative 40 - 46 percent favorability rating. Trump is the least popular of the three candidates with a negative 39 - 58 percent favorability rating.
Biden and Sanders also do better than Trump when it comes to candidate traits. While 62 percent say Sanders is honest and 51 percent say Biden is honest, only 33 percent say Trump is honest. Biden has good leadership skills say 52 percent of voters, while 45 percent say Sanders has good leadership skills and 42 percent say Trump has good leadership skills. On empathy, 64 percent say Sanders cares about average Americans, while 59 percent say Biden cares about average Americans, and 43 percent say Trump cares about average Americans.
Both Biden and Sanders beat Trump on the question of who would do a better job handling a crisis. Biden beats Trump 56 - 40 percent on this question, while Sanders tops Trump 50 - 44 percent.
"Perhaps most troubling for the Trump camp in these numbers is the comparative assessment of which candidate can handle a crisis: it is Biden hands down. Couple that with an approval rating frozen in the low forties and comparatively terrible numbers on leadership, honesty, and empathy for fellow Americans, and team Trump has a formidable fight ahead," Malloy added.
More from the Q poll today. Another difference between him and Hillary is people like him. HRC's unfavorable was 54%. Joe's is 40%. ---This point CANNOT be stressed enough. HRC had decades built in of people hating her. Joe has generally been likeable forever.
This is undoubtedly the biggest difference the two of them. And it outweigh his gaffes and overall decline. Hillary’s pretty sharp, but that doesn’t go as far as people liking you.
A huge problem to me is that this election is all about beating Trump. I agree he needs to be voted out but if all the DNC can muster up is let’s vote Trump out I don’t see it as being very successful. The way to win is to have something or someone that inspires people to take part which the establishment dishrags just don’t do. Trump got elected because like it or not he inspired the Republicans to vote for something.
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
💯 agreement on this
There were 20 candidates. It wasn't a 'lesser of two evils' choice. It's not like Biden swept Tuesday by overloading the media with ads either. He spent a fraction of what Sanders spent, yet people came out in droves for Biden. What we're seeing is that for majority of voters in the Democratic party, they just aren't as dissatisfied with the old guard as the Republicans were. In fact, the vast majority of the party look fondly upon the Obama/Biden administration. The same could not be said about the Bush admin.
This is my main concern about Joe. Is he going to excite and galvanize support out side of registered Democrats. I don’t see him garnering the outside support of republicans willing to hold their nose and vote Trump out, or hard core Sanders or bust types, I don’t see him getting independent swing voters to the polls either. I hope I am wrong, but I really think that the Dems are kidding themselves that Biden is the candidate to beat Trump. I’m by no means sure Bernie could be that candidate either, but he does manage to energize people which is something I just don’t see Biden doing.
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More from the Q poll today. Another difference between him and Hillary is people like him. HRC's unfavorable was 54%. Joe's is 40%. ---This point CANNOT be stressed enough. HRC had decades built in of people hating her. Joe has generally been likeable forever.
This is undoubtedly the biggest difference the two of them. And it outweigh his gaffes and overall decline. Hillary’s pretty sharp, but that doesn’t go as far as people liking you.
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Are you implying Biden is pulling away?
I contend he has himself to blame. He should have never dubbed himself a "Democratic Socialist." I guess he was trying to distinguish between socialism in the communist-sense, and what he's proposing. But the word "socialist" is just too toxic. If he never called himself that, I don't think he'd be looked at that differently than Obama. Obama was called a socialist too by the republicans. But he fought through it. Bernie's just doubles down. It's like he's basically saying "I'm not talking about Stalin's brand of socialism! I'm talking about MY brand of socialism. I know what I'm doing!"
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Is there a way to send that comment to Chaos' inbox? This is Bernies problem in a nutshell.
Too much video of Bernie shrugging his shoulders when asked if he was a socialist. He should have known better. He moved from Brooklyn to Vermont because it wasnt far left enough.
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Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
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I think you underestimate the fondness that many of us lifelong Democrats have for Joe Biden. It didn't take much for the party to coalesce behind him, including all the Senators that were his opponents. That's no coincidence. I was all in on Biden to start the campaign, drifted away to Pete, but I was happy when the shit hit the fan last week. I walked into the booth without a shred of uncertainty.
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https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3657
THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
In head to head matchups with President Trump among registered voters, Biden gets support from more than half of registered voters against the incumbent president, while Sanders does not. Biden leads Trump 52 - 41 percent, and Sanders leads Trump 49 - 42 percent.
Looking at favorabilities among registered voters, Biden is by far the most favorably viewed. Biden is viewed favorably by 45 percent and unfavorably by 40 percent, while Sanders gets a negative 40 - 46 percent favorability rating. Trump is the least popular of the three candidates with a negative 39 - 58 percent favorability rating.
Biden and Sanders also do better than Trump when it comes to candidate traits. While 62 percent say Sanders is honest and 51 percent say Biden is honest, only 33 percent say Trump is honest. Biden has good leadership skills say 52 percent of voters, while 45 percent say Sanders has good leadership skills and 42 percent say Trump has good leadership skills. On empathy, 64 percent say Sanders cares about average Americans, while 59 percent say Biden cares about average Americans, and 43 percent say Trump cares about average Americans.
Both Biden and Sanders beat Trump on the question of who would do a better job handling a crisis. Biden beats Trump 56 - 40 percent on this question, while Sanders tops Trump 50 - 44 percent.
"Perhaps most troubling for the Trump camp in these numbers is the comparative assessment of which candidate can handle a crisis: it is Biden hands down. Couple that with an approval rating frozen in the low forties and comparatively terrible numbers on leadership, honesty, and empathy for fellow Americans, and team Trump has a formidable fight ahead," Malloy added.
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