The Democratic Presidential Debates
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 Is said by people who want to fabricate that narrative to reduce Bernie due to him not being right-wing enough.cincybearcat said:
 Nope. Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods.ecdanc said:
 Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!cincybearcat said:
 They are insane complainers about the media and fake news. Where have I seen this before?pjl44 said:
 Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something.ecdanc said: 
 They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....
 But I'm the one with the "useless" posts, right?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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            Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.0
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 You win, I was wrong about that thread.Spiritual_Chaos said:
 How about answering my question concerning your claim about me first? Which was the basis for your question -- what make it so hard for you? This is the third time you have dodged.mcgruff10 said:
 You re this big environmental guy: are you ok with people like Bernie, Elizabeth and Ed using private jets to get around?Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
 I was just sarcastically replying to your dumb senseless post.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
 Quoting its customarily used to document what a person explicitly said.Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Realist =/= opportunistmcgruff10 said:mickeyrat said:mcgruff10 said:
 If only Bernie was a Democrat.ecdanc said:mo
 The article is by a Democrat....cincybearcat said:
 I’m just going to go ahead and not believe the communist on this one. No offense you can have your beliefs, but I’m not coming along for your ride.ecdanc said:
 https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/21/beware-pete-buttigieg-sharp-corporate-toolcincybearcat said:I think that’s a really bad take.
 You think Pete is just an opportunist?
 But I think a discussion on the subject with a "proud to vote Trump instead of Sanders" supporter is a non-starter. So no point in going there. mcgruff10 said: mcgruff10 said:
 I don't think he understands how to use quotes correctly. I can't recall ever saying "proud to vote Trump instead of Sanders". Seems like someone likes to add in some words to fit their own narrative.mrussel1 said:
 Quoting its customarily used to document what a person explicitly said.Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Realist =/= opportunistmcgruff10 said:
 That would be correct sir and my point. There is no bigger opportunist then Bernie.mickeyrat said:mcgruff10 said:
 If only Bernie was a Democrat.ecdanc said:mo
 The article is by a Democrat....cincybearcat said:
 I’m just going to go ahead and not believe the communist on this one. No offense you can have your beliefs, but I’m not coming along for your ride.ecdanc said:
 https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/21/beware-pete-buttigieg-sharp-corporate-toolcincybearcat said:I think that’s a really bad take.
 You think Pete is just an opportunist?yes, thos. every winning race that man has won was as an independent. his first membership in a democratic socialist party to this day has not won a national seat and only a few state seats.he appoarently started as acn independent then was regidtered member of DS partu for 7 years then flipped back to I.Registered D for the sole purpose of running for President. Hijacking party apparatus to avoid having to do the hard work of getting on ballot in every state.THAT is opportunist....
 But I think a discussion on the subject with a "proud to vote Trump instead of Sanders" supporter is a non-starter. So no point in going there. 
 Now McGruff - please point to where I "were pissed at Eddie for taking a private jet, ", quoting you verbatim. ?
 Seems like someone likes to add in some words to fit their own narrative.
 Even so you didn't use quotes correctly.
 You re this big environmental guy: are you ok with people like Bernie, Elizabeth and Ed
 Using private jets to get around?
 I don't see how my post was "dumb" or "senseless".
 And I don't see this sarcasm you speak of in yours.
 And I used quote marks, or bunnyears if the term suits you better, in a very valid and correct way. I used it to make the describing term I used to make my point, easily and plainly seen in text to get through the sentence easier.
 Examples of this:
 - Man, Paul "Hotter than a midday sun" Stanley sure was on fire at tonights concert.
 - Turns out the "SEGA or nothing" fans of the 90s are all playing the Nintendo Switch nowadays.
 - Bernie "winning this thing for sure" Sanders really is the man. And also a mans man.
 Does that mean that @mrussel1 also were wrong in implying I had used it wrong? Yes he was. And then you jumped in. Two wrongs does not make a right though.
 But when asked for a source by mrussel1 I gave him one. Which showed the basis of this condensation, summarized description.
 If you are looking for using quote marks for exact quotes, or maybe even some old university standard for making references with footnotes, than you are not looking at a context in which that is suitable.
 But just like diverting to a discussion on the proper use of quote marks instead of the heart of the matter - you are also diverting from answering my question: please point to where I "were pissed at Eddie for taking a private jet, ", quoting you verbatim?
 You re this big environmental guy: are you ok with people like Bernie, Elizabeth and Ed using private jets to get around?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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 Just your memesSpiritual_Chaos said:
 Is said by people who want to fabricate that narrative to reduce Bernie due to him not being right-wing enough.cincybearcat said:
 Nope. Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods.ecdanc said:
 Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!cincybearcat said:
 They are insane complainers about the media and fake news. Where have I seen this before?pjl44 said:
 Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something.ecdanc said: 
 They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....
 But I'm the one with the "useless" posts, right? hippiemom = goodness0 hippiemom = goodness0
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 Like reaching out to minority voters?cincybearcat said:
 Nope. Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods.ecdanc said:
 Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!cincybearcat said:
 They are insane complainers about the media and fake news. Where have I seen this before?pjl44 said:
 Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something.ecdanc said: 
 They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....0
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            cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.good episode here that illustrates and expounds on that very point.Michael Steele podcast 30 min long.
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            ecdanc said:
 America can handle a lily-white centrist, but not a gay lily-white centrist!Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
 Have you seen any?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 Pete is really good but about five years too young and 15 years until america is ready for President Pete. We can be a strange country. Good for IA dems for putting him in top 2.
 It's a bit of an accomplishment by Bernie to have Pete called a centrist.
 Not too long ago "Medicare for all who want it" would have been considered an extreme policy.0
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 Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
 And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.
 Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and: 
 "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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 People on here really need to learn what a meme is. I don't post memes, like never.cincybearcat said:
 Just your memesSpiritual_Chaos said:
 Is said by people who want to fabricate that narrative to reduce Bernie due to him not being right-wing enough.cincybearcat said:
 Nope. Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods.ecdanc said:
 Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!cincybearcat said:
 They are insane complainers about the media and fake news. Where have I seen this before?pjl44 said:
 Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something.ecdanc said: 
 They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....
 But I'm the one with the "useless" posts, right? "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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 Yes, it is an accomplishment that we now call centrists centrists.Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
 America can handle a lily-white centrist, but not a gay lily-white centrist!Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
 Have you seen any?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 Pete is really good but about five years too young and 15 years until america is ready for President Pete. We can be a strange country. Good for IA dems for putting him in top 2.
 It's a bit of an accomplishment by Bernie to have Pete called a centrist.
 Not too long ago "Medicare for all who want it" would have been considered an extreme policy.0
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            pjl44 said:
 Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something.ecdanc said: this motherfucking website on mobile.WE PAY FOR THIS BULLSHIT , FIX THE FUCKING THING.yeah that was with 62% reporting_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________ this motherfucking website on mobile.WE PAY FOR THIS BULLSHIT , FIX THE FUCKING THING.yeah that was with 62% reporting_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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 you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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 another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140
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 It's like the 2016 election never happened.Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
 And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.
 Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and: 0 0
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            Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
 And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.
 Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and: 
 The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.
 Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician.0
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            ecdanc said:
 Yes, it is an accomplishment that we now call centrists centrists.Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
 America can handle a lily-white centrist, but not a gay lily-white centrist!Lerxst1992 said:ecdanc said:
 Have you seen any?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 Pete is really good but about five years too young and 15 years until america is ready for President Pete. We can be a strange country. Good for IA dems for putting him in top 2.
 It's a bit of an accomplishment by Bernie to have Pete called a centrist.
 Not too long ago "Medicare for all who want it" would have been considered an extreme policy.
 Do you have a president or major party nominee that insisted on that policy? I'm not allowing obama because he caved on it ;-)0
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 I feel Clinton was similar.Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
 And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.
 Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and: 
 The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.
 Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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 Well, that rules out Mayo Pete.Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
 And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.
 Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and: 
 The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.
 Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician.0
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 Have George Clooney, Eddie Vedder, Tim Robbins, Michael Moore and Bloomberg pitch in to pay to have this aired during NBA finals and Football finals and baseball finals and hotdogeating contests and before summer blockbusters and fire people up.Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
 And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.
 Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and: 
 The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.
 Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. https://youtu.be/Ikgh4JbAWUU https://youtu.be/Ikgh4JbAWUU
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 True. He definitely is not getting the black vote.ecdanc said:
 Well, that rules out Mayo Pete.Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
 And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.
 Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and: 
 The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.
 Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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            mcgruff10 said:
 I feel Clinton was similar.Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
 So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.cincybearcat said:
 Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue. For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
 Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?
 They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy
 To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win
 The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate
 
 Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:
 Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
 And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.
 Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and: 
 The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.
 Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician.
 Yes. He was a revered politician until he got a little too frisky at the workplace and his wife got too involved in his line of work.0
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