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Resellers for the sole purpose of flipping tickets for a profit are vultures. They are not providing a service they are taking tickets away from fans at face and selling them way above market value. Why is this so hard to understand?
One more time.
If scalpers did not buy tickets more fans that wanted to go get to go for face value. Someone is not going to the the hot shows of this tour secondary market or not. All secondary markets do is let the rich go to shows for a price and the poor are shit out of luck since they had their seats taken from them in the public sale from a vulture.Post edited by PJNB on0 -
This is coming from someone that is fairly well off and has paid multiple times on the secondary market for tickets and got into shows I probably would not have gotten into if something like what Pearl Jam has set up now was set up then. I honestly would rather more fans to go at face and me not go then me spend $500 on a ticket like I have done and got to go.0
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The bottom line is that the band and its management made a conscious decision to keep prices down and get their tickets to as many fans as they can at reasonable prices. Sure they can let the market dictate prices, and their shows will have all the soul and enthusiasm as a Yankees baseball game as a result. You can call it interference or anything else you want. I'm very happy that Pearl Jam respects its fans by keeping its tickets prices reasonable. I love Bruce Springsteen and U2, but I'd rather stay home than pay $500 for a decent seat at their shows.Lerxst1992 said:PB11041 said:
when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right. What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business. That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders.Lerxst1992 said:
They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic.PB11041 said:
you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market. This IS THE MARKET. They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace. That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.Lerxst1992 said:Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.
The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.
Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"
Did I say it wasn't within their right?
in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show. Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.
I dont believe it's fair to call artists lazy or resellers vultures. In many cases resellers are providing a service to customers when no other options exist and helping artists learn what is the true market value of their tickets. Most are not as successful as PJ and this info is valuable for them. The Supreme Court has ruled in most cases resale is legal. I am not aware of a specific limitation on concert tickets, but obviously artist can try to limit resale to their events by essentially making it a private event.
By setting an artificially low price to their tickets, I am calling that " interference " with the market. This helps increase demand and reduce supply, which is having an impact on resale prices. In most cases in a capitalist society, markets set prices. PJ clearly doesnt want this to occur. They can limit it in most places but not eliminate it. And in NY and CO, there were over two thousand tickets available for resale. There are also tickets available online for every other show, perhaps a couple hundred per on average.
Limiting supply and increasing demand is having an obvious impact on the prices of these tickets.0 -
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
Unreal that people have the stones to scalp on herenicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
I wonder if you'd have to report it or if they could read this thread and check out your PMsnicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
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Meh. I’d hope they’d need permission to do something like that to be honest.pjl44 said:
I wonder if you'd have to report it or if they could read this thread and check out your PMsnicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
I found the quote below from this article : https://www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/ticketmasters-statement-on-those-trying-to-re-sell-tickets-for-pearl-jams-gigaton-tour/
Today (February 5), Ticketmaster issued this statement:
The non-transferability of Gigaton tickets has been extensively communicated to fans from the outset and is prominently featured at every step of the discovery and purchase process. To eliminate confusion among the secondary market and broker communities, we also sent them a notification advising that tickets for this tour are not available for resale. Only SafeTix mobile tickets will be valid for entry, and SafeTix tickets can only be issued directly from Ticketmaster.
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Lerxst1992 said:PB11041 said:
when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right. What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business. That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders.Lerxst1992 said:
They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic.PB11041 said:
you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market. This IS THE MARKET. They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace. That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.Lerxst1992 said:Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.
The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.
Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"
Did I say it wasn't within their right?
in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show. Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.
I dont believe it's fair to call artists lazy or resellers vultures. In many cases resellers are providing a service to customers when no other options exist and helping artists learn what is the true market value of their tickets. Most are not as successful as PJ and this info is valuable for them. The Supreme Court has ruled in most cases resale is legal. I am not aware of a specific limitation on concert tickets, but obviously artist can try to limit resale to their events by essentially making it a private event.
By setting an artificially low price to their tickets, I am calling that " interference " with the market. This helps increase demand and reduce supply, which is having an impact on resale prices. In most cases in a capitalist society, markets set prices. PJ clearly doesnt want this to occur. They can limit it in most places but not eliminate it. And in NY and CO, there were over two thousand tickets available for resale. There are also tickets available online for every other show, perhaps a couple hundred per on average.
Limiting supply and increasing demand is having an obvious impact on the prices of these tickets.
Your arguments get stupider and stupider the longer you keep going. They have been slightly entertaining for a few days, but now they are just boring. Thanks for your opinion. Now go troll on another page.
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Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
Hey, Pearl Jam announced another show in NY. It's probably not going to help the StubHub situation.It does answer the question of why they didn't play another show on the 26th."I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
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He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."0 -
I'd report them and not feel bad about it at all. A 10C member trying to charge another member 4X the price of a ticket is bullshit. I don't pretend that people don't do it. But to openly flaunt it on the band's forum is just asking to get called out.pjl44 said:
Unreal that people have the stones to scalp on herenicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
Just helping everyone here identify the problem.nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
There’s no problem. 10c members scalp and flip all the time. Most don’t, some do. It’s my problem to deal with and my choice to report it or not.ecdanc said:
Just helping everyone here identify the problem.nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?Post edited by nicknyr15 on0 -
There seem to be plenty of people here that think the secondary market is a problem.nicknyr15 said:
There’s no problem. 10c members scalp and flip all the time. Most don’t, some do. It’s my problem to deal with and my choice to report it or not.ecdanc said:
Just helping everyone here identify the problem.nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
Not for me. It’s the only way I will get into the show. Unless I get lucky with a TC member, which doesn’t look likely. So I’m good. Thanks.ecdanc said:
There seem to be plenty of people here that think the secondary market is a problem.nicknyr15 said:
There’s no problem. 10c members scalp and flip all the time. Most don’t, some do. It’s my problem to deal with and my choice to report it or not.ecdanc said:
Just helping everyone here identify the problem.nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0
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