The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Nope, not surprising at all. He's as fake and opportunistic as they come. If there was road to the presidency through the democratic primary, forget building a wall, he'd be standing at the border handing blue MAGA hats to illegal immigrants. "They're tremendous immigrants that need our help!"mcgruff10 said:
I did not know that. Good info, thanks. (Not surprising)Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh yeah. A few times actually. According to Wikipedia, which isn't always accurate, but I would trust it here for the President's party affiliations, they list Trump's party affiliations as:mickeyrat said:
I knew he donated to both parties candidates. He bragged about it, buying influence. Was unaware he was ever GOP until he registered to run....Ledbetterman10 said:
Not that dissimilar to Trump actually. I think he switched back to Republican in 2012 because he was mulling possibly running.mickeyrat said:mcgruff10 said:
If only Bernie was a Democrat.ecdanc said:mo
The article is by a Democrat....cincybearcat said:
I’m just going to go ahead and not believe the communist on this one. No offense you can have your beliefs, but I’m not coming along for your ride.ecdanc said:
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/21/beware-pete-buttigieg-sharp-corporate-toolcincybearcat said:I think that’s a really bad take.
You think Pete is just an opportunist?yes, thos. every winning race that man has won was as an independent. his first membership in a democratic socialist party to this day has not won a national seat and only a few state seats.he appoarently started as acn independent then was regidtered member of DS partu for 7 years then flipped back to I.Registered D for the sole purpose of running for President. Hijacking party apparatus to avoid having to do the hard work of getting on ballot in every state.THAT is opportunist....
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Like really, do you think he ever gave a crap about illegal immigration before he decided to run for president? Why would he care? Is he at risk of the "murderers and rapists" that come over up in his Manhattan penthouse? No. Did he hate that his tax money is going to provide illegals with services? No, he didn't pay taxes. Does he like to hire illegals for cheap labor at his golf resorts and hotels? Yes. It's all an act. He has so many people completely fooled. Like he's some conservative hero. Bull...shit.
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True. At the national level, we'd never have someone receive more votes and lose an election.JimmyV said:
The system in Iowa is not the U.S. system.Spiritual_Chaos said:When you are used to the basic idea of "1 person = 1 vote" and watching MSNBC to try to understand the US system0 -
Go on, I'm listening........Ledbetterman10 said:
Nope, not surprising at all. He's as fake and opportunistic as they come. If there was road to the presidency through the democratic primary, forget building a wall, he'd be standing at the border handing blue MAGA hats to illegal immigrants. "They're tremendous immigrants that need our help!"mcgruff10 said:
I did not know that. Good info, thanks. (Not surprising)Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh yeah. A few times actually. According to Wikipedia, which isn't always accurate, but I would trust it here for the President's party affiliations, they list Trump's party affiliations as:mickeyrat said:
I knew he donated to both parties candidates. He bragged about it, buying influence. Was unaware he was ever GOP until he registered to run....Ledbetterman10 said:
Not that dissimilar to Trump actually. I think he switched back to Republican in 2012 because he was mulling possibly running.mickeyrat said:mcgruff10 said:
If only Bernie was a Democrat.ecdanc said:mo
The article is by a Democrat....cincybearcat said:
I’m just going to go ahead and not believe the communist on this one. No offense you can have your beliefs, but I’m not coming along for your ride.ecdanc said:
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/21/beware-pete-buttigieg-sharp-corporate-toolcincybearcat said:I think that’s a really bad take.
You think Pete is just an opportunist?yes, thos. every winning race that man has won was as an independent. his first membership in a democratic socialist party to this day has not won a national seat and only a few state seats.he appoarently started as acn independent then was regidtered member of DS partu for 7 years then flipped back to I.Registered D for the sole purpose of running for President. Hijacking party apparatus to avoid having to do the hard work of getting on ballot in every state.THAT is opportunist....
Democrat: Birth-1987
Republican: 1987-1999
Reform (when he was considering a third-party run in 2000): 1999-2001
Democrat: 2001-2009
Republican: 2009-2011
No Party: 2011-2012
Republican: 2012-present
Like really, do you think he ever gave a crap about illegal immigration before he decided to run for president? Why would he care? Is he at risk of the "murderers and rapists" that come over up in his Manhattan penthouse? No. Did he hate that his tax money is going to provide illegals with services? No, he didn't pay taxes. Does he like to hire illegals for cheap labor at his golf resorts and hotels? Yes. It's all an act. He has so many people completely fooled. Like he's some conservative hero. Bull...shit.
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Iowa's system is not the electoral college. Iowa's system is a small handful of people with the time to line up in a room deciding who wins and loses. I'm all for improving the EC, but let's not pretend Iowa has anything to do with that.ecdanc said:
True. At the national level, we'd never have someone receive more votes and lose an election.JimmyV said:
The system in Iowa is not the U.S. system.Spiritual_Chaos said:When you are used to the basic idea of "1 person = 1 vote" and watching MSNBC to try to understand the US system___________________________________________
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Looking at all the symptoms is crucial for diagnosing the disease.JimmyV said:
Iowa's system is not the electoral college. Iowa's system is a small handful of people with the time to line up in a room deciding who wins and loses. I'm all for improving the EC, but let's not pretend Iowa has anything to do with that.ecdanc said:
True. At the national level, we'd never have someone receive more votes and lose an election.JimmyV said:
The system in Iowa is not the U.S. system.Spiritual_Chaos said:When you are used to the basic idea of "1 person = 1 vote" and watching MSNBC to try to understand the US system
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Iowa is not like the electoral college at all.ecdanc said:
True. At the national level, we'd never have someone receive more votes and lose an election.JimmyV said:
The system in Iowa is not the U.S. system.Spiritual_Chaos said:When you are used to the basic idea of "1 person = 1 vote" and watching MSNBC to try to understand the US systemI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Diagnosing all symptoms as stemming from the same disease is foolish.ecdanc said:
Looking at all the symptoms is crucial for diagnosing the disease.JimmyV said:
Iowa's system is not the electoral college. Iowa's system is a small handful of people with the time to line up in a room deciding who wins and loses. I'm all for improving the EC, but let's not pretend Iowa has anything to do with that.ecdanc said:
True. At the national level, we'd never have someone receive more votes and lose an election.JimmyV said:
The system in Iowa is not the U.S. system.Spiritual_Chaos said:When you are used to the basic idea of "1 person = 1 vote" and watching MSNBC to try to understand the US system___________________________________________
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Depends on your perspective, I guess.mcgruff10 said:
Iowa is not like the electoral college at all.ecdanc said:
True. At the national level, we'd never have someone receive more votes and lose an election.JimmyV said:
The system in Iowa is not the U.S. system.Spiritual_Chaos said:When you are used to the basic idea of "1 person = 1 vote" and watching MSNBC to try to understand the US system0 -
That is not my point. Stop finger-wagging on the internet. Please.JimmyV said:
The system in Iowa is not the U.S. system.Spiritual_Chaos said:When you are used to the basic idea of "1 person = 1 vote" and watching MSNBC to try to understand the US system"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
SMHSpiritual_Chaos said:
That is not my point. Stop finger-wagging on the internet. Please.JimmyV said:
The system in Iowa is not the U.S. system.Spiritual_Chaos said:When you are used to the basic idea of "1 person = 1 vote" and watching MSNBC to try to understand the US system___________________________________________
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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begs the question, what was the participation rate in the predom AA areas?
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mcgruff10 said:
African Americans make up 3.2% of the totalmickeyrat said:begs the question, what was the participation rate in the predom AA areas?
population of Iowa. At that rate how many black precincts could there be?found this... iowa pop overall 3.3 million.https://suburbanstats.org/race/iowa/how-many-black-or-african-american-people-live-in-iowa
82k AA.... 15k male under 18.
15k female under 18. leaving 50k potentially eligible to caucus/vote.Given higher incarceration percentage amongst this population, I wonder how many are either eligible or ineligble because of record?
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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People need to chill. Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 55% success rate at predicting which democrat and a 43% success rate at predicting which republican will go on to win the nomination of their political party for president.Spiritual_Chaos said:I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
If you have the money, there are no problems until after Super Tuesdaymcgruff10 said:
People need to chill. Since 1972, the Iowa caucuses have had a 55% success rate at predicting which democrat and a 43% success rate at predicting which republican will go on to win the nomination of their political party for president.Spiritual_Chaos said:0 -
This is what all these pundits know, but don't talk about consistently because then they don't have a gig. The first two only matter because the donor money starts shifting after these first two contests. If you have the money, you can ride out losses.
Biden could have a problem, but not just because he lost Iowa and will lose NH. Neither were ever expected to be strong for him. Pete is the story.0 -
It's all about momentum at this point. This is huge for Pete. I've been saying biden/pete for a long time however I'd like pete/? too.mrussel1 said:This is what all these pundits know, but don't talk about consistently because then they don't have a gig. The first two only matter because the donor money starts shifting after these first two contests. If you have the money, you can ride out losses.
Biden could have a problem, but not just because he lost Iowa and will lose NH. Neither were ever expected to be strong for him. Pete is the story.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
For me, it feels like winning is the one thing for him, and I think he would blow around like a leaf wherever his team tell him the winds are the best for it. Just what I feel from interviews with him, and stuff like him lying about polls etc.cincybearcat said:I think that’s a really bad take.
You think Pete is just an opportunist?
But whatever. At least he didn't have part in voting through the war crime that is the war in Iraq.
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