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The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • dignindignin Posts: 8,754
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 

    Everything relies on the assumption that it will be a “free and fair” election. It won’t be. Those Florida felons granted the right to vote? Denied. Shenanigans in repub controlled states? Absolutely. Foreign interference? You betcha. Any steps taken to prevent any of it? Not a chance. Hello banana hammock.
    There's that too. The Barrana hammock.
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,754
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 


    Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

    Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 


    Gotta give it to GOP voters, they are pragmatic in that regard. 

    On Hillary, I don't think she was that bad. I think she's smarter than her husband, just not as gifted a politician.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,135
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 


    Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

    Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 


    Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 32,812
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    OnWis97 said:
    IMO Bernie loses the general election....but I fear anyone will to GW Trump
    Grand Wizard?
    I was thinking "George W" who was also immensely popular (albeit in different was and for different reasons) and was unlikely to lose to anyone in 2004.

    I just don't see anyone from this motley crew winning. Bernie is going to lose the moderate votes because "socialism."  And everyone else fails the purity tests (in some cases more than just that).
    The 2020 election is already over.

    Here's the thing though for me- take all of these liabilities and add them up and pretend they are all negative attributes of one single candidate.  I would still vote for that person over Trump.  Why are we so concerned about these attributes when compared to Trump?  I think we need to stop focusing on the negative and look at the positive.  Any one of these candidates are better than Trump.  Let's get the focus on that!
    Oh, me too for sure.  All of these people have my vote.  Do you have a dog?  Your dog would have my vote.  (Though I am not sure about Tulski).  But right now left-wing social media is just carving each other's candidates apart. I hope everyone comes to the reality that there are only two choices, one of which is trying, witch a chance of success, at becoming a dictator.

    Side note: for a long time, I read  your name as brainlux.  Recognizing it as "brian" makes it seem so different. :)

    Well said OnWis!  It is so critical that Dems and all people of good sensibilities come together to support who ever comes out on top in the Democratic Party.

    No I don't have a dog but you could vote for Annie if she ran:

    "brainlux", LOL.  Years ago when I was Shipping and Receiving Manager and Merchandise Buyer for a College Bookstore I had some business cards printed.  The first 50 of the batch were misprinted as "Brain Lux".  They let me keep the misprints. If the said Bird Brain Lux I'd have kept them just the same.  :smile: 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 22,753
    edited February 15
    New Hampshire moron buys into Bernies Fake news about fake news. 

    Quitcha bitching Bernie and Bros.

    "Bernie Sanders is a phenomenon. He doesn't get any attention, people don't talk about him. He just continuing to rack up these big numbers and big margins. And he's doing stuff that we are not talking about enough -- he's appealing to young people, and people of color increasingly, and women and the beer-track voters that people talk about for Biden, they're showing up for Bernie Sanders. He's got an army of unbelievable donors, if anybody else had all that we would be saying - this guy is our guy. But for whatever reason, we continue to talk about everybody but Bernie Sanders."

    - Van Jones, CNN



    Once again:


    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,509
    New Hampshire moron buys into Bernies Fake news about fake news. 

    Quitcha bitching Bernie and Bros.


    Sit down ;)
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,896
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 


    Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

    Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 


    Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.

    Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to  carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?

    Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas  being able to achieve that? 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 32,812
    edited February 14
    A very interesting thought from James Howard Kunstler:


    "What if the Corona virus turns out to be a genuine pandemic with legs, not some punk-ass, flash-in-the-pan bug like SARS… and infects hundreds of millions around the world…? And what if it happens to go logarithmic in the USA, as in China now…? And what if takes a few months, or half a year, to do that…? And what if Americans will not get on airplanes when that happens…? Or gather together in large numbers…? Or if government imposes quarantines …? Will the parties hold their nominating conventions? Might the November election have to be postponed?"

    There's more at the link as well.. Worth reading (for a change).


    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,650
    edited February 15
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 


    Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

    Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 


    Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.

    Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to  carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?

    Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas  being able to achieve that? 
    This assumes Hillary's life began with her husband in Arkansas. It didn't. There is no telling what she would have accomplished had she made different choices. She didn't. Had she made a different choice, I'm absolutely certain she would have had as remarkable a career anywhere, and could indeed have become your senator much sooner than she had under a different name. There is no telling. And I'm not sure why we have to constantly explain away her success. She ran for President. She lost. Why are we still in the tear down Hillary discussion?  Four years ago, we had a candidate who could have beaten Trump had a small percentage of voters in a small handful of precincts in a small number of states decided to vote. That's how Clinton lost. The tear-down Hillary industry is still at it with their misrepresentation of the facts of the 2016 election, instead of reporting on the 50,000 voters who turned America over to Donald Trump. I don't understand why this is relevant or even productive as we figure out how to win 2020 -- except to say the nominee better spend every week in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Which of the candidates currently running is faring any better, minus the punching bag that was aimed at Hillary's face every minute of her public life? Which man would tolerate and survive the scrutiny she has survived? 
    Post edited by what dreams on
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 19,293
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 


    Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

    Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 


    Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.

    Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to  carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?

    Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas  being able to achieve that? 
    This assumes Hillary's life began with her husband in Arkansas. It didn't. There is no telling what she would have accomplished had she made different choices. She didn't. Had she made a different choice, I'm absolutely certain she would have had as remarkable a career anywhere, and could indeed have become your senator much sooner than she had under a different name. There is no telling. And I'm not sure why we have to constantly explain away her success. She ran for President. She lost. Why are we still in the tear down Hillary discussion?  Four years ago, we had a candidate who could have beaten Trump had a small percentage of voters in a small handful of precincts in a small number of states decide to vote. That's how Clinton lost. The tear-down Hillary faction is still at it with their misrepresentation of the facts of the 2016 election. I don't understand why this is relevant or even productive as we figure out how to win 2020 -- except to say the nominee better spend every week in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Which of the candidates currently running is faring any better, minus the punching bag that was aimed at Hillary's face every minute of her public life. Which man would tolerate and survive the scrutiny she has survived? 
    Bravo.  Totally agree.  Hillary is an amazing woman who had an amazing career.  Yale law and Nixon prosecution is no joke. She was extremely successful for anyone,  let alone a young woman in the 70s.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 26,135
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 


    Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

    Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 


    Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.

    Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to  carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?

    Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas  being able to achieve that? 
    This assumes Hillary's life began with her husband in Arkansas. It didn't. There is no telling what she would have accomplished had she made different choices. She didn't. Had she made a different choice, I'm absolutely certain she would have had as remarkable a career anywhere, and could indeed have become your senator much sooner than she had under a different name. There is no telling. And I'm not sure why we have to constantly explain away her success. She ran for President. She lost. Why are we still in the tear down Hillary discussion?  Four years ago, we had a candidate who could have beaten Trump had a small percentage of voters in a small handful of precincts in a small number of states decide to vote. That's how Clinton lost. The tear-down Hillary faction is still at it with their misrepresentation of the facts of the 2016 election. I don't understand why this is relevant or even productive as we figure out how to win 2020 -- except to say the nominee better spend every week in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Which of the candidates currently running is faring any better, minus the punching bag that was aimed at Hillary's face every minute of her public life. Which man would tolerate and survive the scrutiny she has survived? 
    Bravo.  Totally agree.  Hillary is an amazing woman who had an amazing career.  Yale law and Nixon prosecution is no joke. She was extremely successful for anyone,  let alone a young woman in the 70s.
    And the 80’s, 90’s, 00’s, ‘10’s and now ‘20’s. Team Trump Treason’s successes over those decades? Yea right. And Bernie’s white privilege, yo! 
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 18,771


    Slight resemblance. I doubt Pete would charge as much for tickets though. 
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,282
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,282
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,896
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 19,293
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 6,506
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Remember when people complained about and protested every little thing about Bernie Sanders?



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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Because people who aren't Democrats don't like your candidates? 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Read the responses from the Buttigieg supporters in attendance--that might help you understand. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,754
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    You and others are doing the same with the anybody but socialist Bernie and Warren stuff.

    Everyone just needs to cool their jets. Campaign for your preferred candidate and campaign your ass off for whoever the nominee is in the general.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 19,293
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 6,506
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    You and others are doing the same with the anybody but socialist Bernie and Warren stuff.

    Everyone just needs to cool their jets. Campaign for your preferred candidate and campaign your ass off for whoever the nominee is in the general.
    I think Bloomberg is closer to Trump than he is to Bernie. I can totally understand how a Bernie supporter wouldn't want to cast a ballot for Bloomberg (as one example).
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,754
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    You and others are doing the same with the anybody but socialist Bernie and Warren stuff.

    Everyone just needs to cool their jets. Campaign for your preferred candidate and campaign your ass off for whoever the nominee is in the general.
    I think Bloomberg is closer to Trump than he is to Bernie. I can totally understand how a Bernie supporter wouldn't want to cast a ballot for Bloomberg (as one example).
    I don't. He's shit, but he's not Trump shit. I shouldn't have to explain why, just go read through the Trump thread.

    If for some reason he's as bad as Trump, throw his ass out in 4 years. Don't reward Trump with another 4. Its like people have learned nothing from 2016.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,509
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 


    Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

    Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 


    Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.

    Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to  carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?

    Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas  being able to achieve that? 
    This assumes Hillary's life began with her husband in Arkansas. It didn't. There is no telling what she would have accomplished had she made different choices. She didn't. Had she made a different choice, I'm absolutely certain she would have had as remarkable a career anywhere, and could indeed have become your senator much sooner than she had under a different name. There is no telling. And I'm not sure why we have to constantly explain away her success. She ran for President. She lost. Why are we still in the tear down Hillary discussion?  Four years ago, we had a candidate who could have beaten Trump had a small percentage of voters in a small handful of precincts in a small number of states decide to vote. That's how Clinton lost. The tear-down Hillary faction is still at it with their misrepresentation of the facts of the 2016 election. I don't understand why this is relevant or even productive as we figure out how to win 2020 -- except to say the nominee better spend every week in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Which of the candidates currently running is faring any better, minus the punching bag that was aimed at Hillary's face every minute of her public life. Which man would tolerate and survive the scrutiny she has survived? 
    Bravo.  Totally agree.  Hillary is an amazing woman who had an amazing career.  Yale law and Nixon prosecution is no joke. She was extremely successful for anyone,  let alone a young woman in the 70s.
    No kidding. Like her or not, she accomplished amazing things in her life. 
    hippiemom = goodness
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