The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 13,795
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 16,571
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 5,375
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    You and others are doing the same with the anybody but socialist Bernie and Warren stuff.

    Everyone just needs to cool their jets. Campaign for your preferred candidate and campaign your ass off for whoever the nominee is in the general.
    I think Bloomberg is closer to Trump than he is to Bernie. I can totally understand how a Bernie supporter wouldn't want to cast a ballot for Bloomberg (as one example).
    I don't. He's shit, but he's not Trump shit. I shouldn't have to explain why, just go read through the Trump thread.

    If for some reason he's as bad as Trump, throw his ass out in 4 years. Don't reward Trump with another 4. Its like people have learned nothing from 2016.
    I agree with your last sentence but suspect we're not talking about the same people
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 19,462
    edited February 15
    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    I vote for the swedish Left Party, thank you very much. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,047
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.
    That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone. 

    But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
    But you're forgetting the argument that if the democrats don't go farther left they won't win. Maybe putting up Biden will guarantee another 4 more years of Trump, 2016 all over again. The street runs both ways.

    The fact is most voters vote based on feelings more so than issues. If they have the right feeling about a candidate they will vote for them. Just look at voters second choices, they are all over the map. The same way Bernie Bros can turn around and vote for Trump.

    The point is, you may be right and Biden is the right guy for this time or you could be wrong and someone like Bernie is the right guy to beat Trump. Who the fuck knows at this point. Biden personally worries me because he isn't a good candidate. He is old, acts old, and really doesn't motivate anyone. Hasn't looked good on the campaign trail and in the debates. 


    Democratic voters definitely need those feeling. GOP voters? All they need to hear is you'll protect their guns and give them their abortion judges and every single one of them are showing up. Even to vote for a rapist. Or who thinks rape is a joke 

    Bottom line about hillary, she was a Dukakis level candidate. She had no business being the nominee and rose thru the ranks largely on the merits of what her husband accomplished and being a carpet bagger 


    Except she got elected to the Senate and testified before a hostile repub House committee as Secretary of State for 14 and 12 hours respectively, I think, regarding Benghazi and hasn't declared bankruptcy, divorced her husband, sexually assaulted anyone, is a Yale law school grad and released 20 years of her tax returns. She had every business being the nominee as opposed to the current POS in the White House being his party's nominee.

    Had she not been first lady, would she have been able to  carpet bag into my home state to become senator, or did being first lady help her out?

    Without her name recognition due to the underdog success of her husband, out of nowhere, would she have ever been able to ascend to the top democrat in the entire country? What are the odds of any successful lawyer living in Arkansas  being able to achieve that? 
    This assumes Hillary's life began with her husband in Arkansas. It didn't. There is no telling what she would have accomplished had she made different choices. She didn't. Had she made a different choice, I'm absolutely certain she would have had as remarkable a career anywhere, and could indeed have become your senator much sooner than she had under a different name. There is no telling. And I'm not sure why we have to constantly explain away her success. She ran for President. She lost. Why are we still in the tear down Hillary discussion?  Four years ago, we had a candidate who could have beaten Trump had a small percentage of voters in a small handful of precincts in a small number of states decide to vote. That's how Clinton lost. The tear-down Hillary faction is still at it with their misrepresentation of the facts of the 2016 election. I don't understand why this is relevant or even productive as we figure out how to win 2020 -- except to say the nominee better spend every week in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Which of the candidates currently running is faring any better, minus the punching bag that was aimed at Hillary's face every minute of her public life. Which man would tolerate and survive the scrutiny she has survived? 
    Bravo.  Totally agree.  Hillary is an amazing woman who had an amazing career.  Yale law and Nixon prosecution is no joke. She was extremely successful for anyone,  let alone a young woman in the 70s.
    No kidding. Like her or not, she accomplished amazing things in her life. 
    Her role in the Honduran coup was a victory for women everywhere. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 13,795
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.
    That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.
    Uh sure. I believe him.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 5,375
    Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:

    Authoritarian tendencies
    Deference to authoritarian regimes
    Racist policies
    Sexism
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 19,462
    edited February 15
    pjl44 said:
    Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:

    Authoritarian tendencies
    Deference to authoritarian regimes
    Racist policies
    Sexism
    Yes. Every video that is being released, every audio recording, every article shows a vile, disgusting person.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,047
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.
    That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.
    Uh sure. I believe him.
    Just go with your gut then, ignore everything that he has said publicly these past couple of weeks.

    I know you've convinced me with all the evidence you've presented.

    That dark conspiracy runs deep.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 16,571
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
    Well I have a have a binary variable decision tree model that I run all political calculations through.   It runs through a series of sub nodes and and anything that gets kicked during the analysis should automatically be illegal.  I’m still running a test and control assessment but it appears I will land somewhere around 98% of all protests should be illegal and result in executions.  All extremists should be shot is my basic rule in life.
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,047
    pjl44 said:
    Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:

    Authoritarian tendencies
    Deference to authoritarian regimes
    Racist policies
    Sexism
    Yes. Every video that is being released, every audio recording, every article shows a vile, disgusting person.
    No, not even close to as bad as Trump.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 19,462
    edited February 15
    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.
    That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.
    Uh sure. I believe him.
    Just go with your gut then, ignore everything that he has said publicly these past couple of weeks.

    I know you've convinced me with all the evidence you've presented.

    That dark conspiracy runs deep.
    Pete Pals are sowing distrust. I think we all need to be wary of them and how they are behaving online.

    I even believe there could be russian bots behind a lot of the Pete Paling on the internet. Just look at reddit, twitter and MSNBC.
     

    /s

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
    Well I have a have a binary variable decision tree model that I run all political calculations through.   It runs through a series of sub nodes and and anything that gets kicked during the analysis should automatically be illegal.  I’m still running a test and control assessment but it appears I will land somewhere around 98% of all protests should be illegal and result in executions.  All extremists should be shot is my basic rule in life.

  • dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:

    Authoritarian tendencies
    Deference to authoritarian regimes
    Racist policies
    Sexism
    Yes. Every video that is being released, every audio recording, every article shows a vile, disgusting person.
    No, not even close to as bad as Trump.
    The same "core personality concerns" =/= being "close to as bad"
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 16,571
    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.
    That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.
    Uh sure. I believe him.
    Just go with your gut then, ignore everything that he has said publicly these past couple of weeks.

    I know you've convinced me with all the evidence you've presented.

    That dark conspiracy runs deep.
    Pete Pals are sowing distrust. I think we all need to be wary of them and how they are behaving online.

    I even believe there could be russian bots behind a lot of the Pete Paling on the internet.

    /s

    Distrust against who?  Can you provide some specific examples?  I’ve seen you type Pete’s Pals but as of now I think it’s a Bernie counterattack, not a real swarm of people who act like Bernies.. My general,assumption now is Pete’s supporters are moderate democrats with jobs and kids, having better things to do than harass people online.  
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,047
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:

    Authoritarian tendencies
    Deference to authoritarian regimes
    Racist policies
    Sexism
    Yes. Every video that is being released, every audio recording, every article shows a vile, disgusting person.
    No, not even close to as bad as Trump.
    The same "core personality concerns" =/= being "close to as bad"
    You look at their records by any objective measure Trump is worse.

    And that really shouldn't be considered a defence of Bloomberg and more of a statement of how bad Trump is.

    I don't like Bloomberg, would be my last choice in the current field, but if I could would hit the streets in support of him vs. Trump. If I could.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bloomberg doesn't speak as coarsely as Trump and he has the vaunted D after his name, but I'd argue we're dealing with the same core personality concerns:

    Authoritarian tendencies
    Deference to authoritarian regimes
    Racist policies
    Sexism
    Yes. Every video that is being released, every audio recording, every article shows a vile, disgusting person.
    No, not even close to as bad as Trump.
    The same "core personality concerns" =/= being "close to as bad"
    You look at their records by any objective measure Trump is worse.

    And that really shouldn't be considered a defence of Bloomberg and more of a statement of how bad Trump is.

    I don't like Bloomberg, would be my last choice in the current field, but if I could would hit the streets in support of him vs. Trump. If I could.
    I don't entirely disagree, but this is not a claim I can accept at face-value. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 17,419
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
    Well I have a have a binary variable decision tree model that I run all political calculations through.   It runs through a series of sub nodes and and anything that gets kicked during the analysis should automatically be illegal.  I’m still running a test and control assessment but it appears I will land somewhere around 98% of all protests should be illegal and result in executions.  All extremists should be shot is my basic rule in life.
    sounds rather communist
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
    Well I have a have a binary variable decision tree model that I run all political calculations through.   It runs through a series of sub nodes and and anything that gets kicked during the analysis should automatically be illegal.  I’m still running a test and control assessment but it appears I will land somewhere around 98% of all protests should be illegal and result in executions.  All extremists should be shot is my basic rule in life.
    sounds rather communist
    Lots of people support protests in theory, but disrupt their drive to work and they start asking to see the manager. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 13,795
    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.
    That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.
    Uh sure. I believe him.
    Just go with your gut then, ignore everything that he has said publicly these past couple of weeks.

    I know you've convinced me with all the evidence you've presented.

    That dark conspiracy runs deep.
    I think I’ll believe what I see .... in 2016 and now in 2020
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    dignin said:
    dignin said:
    rgambs said:
    I don't understand why they would be showing up to protest Pete and not every other candidate?  Or is this just the media monstering our nothings.
    Cause Bernie is scared of Pete and has unleashed his dogs.
    That's actually the opposite of what Bernie has done.
    Uh sure. I believe him.
    Just go with your gut then, ignore everything that he has said publicly these past couple of weeks.

    I know you've convinced me with all the evidence you've presented.

    That dark conspiracy runs deep.
    I think I’ll believe what I see .... in 2016 and now in 2020
    When you have time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 16,571
    ecdanc said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
    Well I have a have a binary variable decision tree model that I run all political calculations through.   It runs through a series of sub nodes and and anything that gets kicked during the analysis should automatically be illegal.  I’m still running a test and control assessment but it appears I will land somewhere around 98% of all protests should be illegal and result in executions.  All extremists should be shot is my basic rule in life.
    sounds rather communist
    Lots of people support protests in theory, but disrupt their drive to work and they start asking to see the manager. 
    Nothing convinces a person of the righteousness of your cause like blocking I-95 during rush hour, causing them to be late to pick up their child.  If they were on the fence before, you get a real advocate by doing that.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 16,571
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
    Well I have a have a binary variable decision tree model that I run all political calculations through.   It runs through a series of sub nodes and and anything that gets kicked during the analysis should automatically be illegal.  I’m still running a test and control assessment but it appears I will land somewhere around 98% of all protests should be illegal and result in executions.  All extremists should be shot is my basic rule in life.
    sounds rather communist
    Lots of people support protests in theory, but disrupt their drive to work and they start asking to see the manager. 
    Nothing convinces a person of the righteousness of your cause like blocking I-95 during rush hour, causing them to be late to pick up their child.  If they were on the fence before, you get a real advocate by doing that.  
    I know. It's like when all those people took the good seats at the lunch counters. How were they expecting to win over the Woolworth's shoppers that way?!?! 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 16,571
    edited February 15
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
    Well I have a have a binary variable decision tree model that I run all political calculations through.   It runs through a series of sub nodes and and anything that gets kicked during the analysis should automatically be illegal.  I’m still running a test and control assessment but it appears I will land somewhere around 98% of all protests should be illegal and result in executions.  All extremists should be shot is my basic rule in life.
    sounds rather communist
    Lots of people support protests in theory, but disrupt their drive to work and they start asking to see the manager. 
    Nothing convinces a person of the righteousness of your cause like blocking I-95 during rush hour, causing them to be late to pick up their child.  If they were on the fence before, you get a real advocate by doing that.  
    I know. It's like when all those people took the good seats at the lunch counters. How were they expecting to win over the Woolworth's shoppers that way?!?! 
    Hardly the same.  To compare the civil rights fight to any protests today is absurd.  Who is today’s Bull Conner?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 16,571
    Ill retract a piece... the BLM protest is in the same ballpark as civil rights but certainly fractionally.  Either way, the point of a protest should be, at the end of the day, effectuate change.  And that change needs to convince the people that are ambivalent.  There are more effective ways than blocking interstates, which effectively removes support.
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    ecdanc said:
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    The anti-Pete thing really reminds me of Russian trolls.
    We are so divided we are just ready to give Trump the White House without a fight.

    These posts by SC and ecd are exactly why democrats repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.

    if we don’t have an inspirational voice like Obama or Clinton to win the center we eat each other alive and lose.

    hello conservative Supreme Court 2112.
    Remember all of the protests against Obama by the Afican-American community because they said he was too upper middle class,  not black enough?  Remember how they complained that he represented all Democrats not just half Kenyan ones?  Remember when a very small sub section of the population felt that he wasn't doing enough for their particular micro-demographic?
    Yes, I do. 
    Oh good,  so this will be just as useless.  I guess Pete can expect 97% of the LGBT, etc vote too. 
    Are you just generally against protests, then?
    Definitely.  I think the First Amendment should be erased from the books and the 2A move up a slot and occupy both places.  This is because I’m a Jacobin at heart.  I’m impressed how you extracted that out of my previous post.
    So, which protests are ok and which aren't? 
    Well I have a have a binary variable decision tree model that I run all political calculations through.   It runs through a series of sub nodes and and anything that gets kicked during the analysis should automatically be illegal.  I’m still running a test and control assessment but it appears I will land somewhere around 98% of all protests should be illegal and result in executions.  All extremists should be shot is my basic rule in life.
    sounds rather communist
    Lots of people support protests in theory, but disrupt their drive to work and they start asking to see the manager. 
    I think this is a fair comment. In theory protest for change sounds great, until it effects your vacation, your commute, etc. 


    hippiemom = goodness
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