10C tickets on stubhub

zman · February 2020

how does 10C plan on dealing with all the resale tickets on stubhub? i mean its obvious the GA tickets for MSG came from 10C. anyone have any insight on how they plan on tackling this problem. we all have to jump through all these hoops, if its all for not, then why even bother, and just go back to the old paper tickets.

Zod · February 2020

I don't think they can. The whole reason they are available for MSG is because New York has a law saying the tickets are transferable. That's why they are locked down so well in the other states.

I suppose they could buy the tickets and try to track their origin and kickout the 10c member, but I don't think that does much. They can sign up again... maybe under a pseudonym.

nicknyr15 · February 2020

zman said:

how does 10C plan on dealing with all the resale tickets on stubhub? i mean its obvious the GA tickets for MSG came from 10C. anyone have any insight on how they plan on tackling this problem. we all have to jump through all these hoops, if its all for not, then why even bother, and just go back to the old paper tickets.

The minute seat locations were revealed, a ton of tickets hit stubhub. This is no surprise. Like any other large group of people, there are good and bad. “10c members” financially exploit the band all the time whether it’s merch or tickets. Luckily, There are still a nice amount of great people here that would never consider flipping a ticket to another member.

brianwilson · February 2020

How do they make tickets non-transferable anyways, cuz you just take a screenshot and send the pic?

gettingright · February 2020

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

kotton_crown · February 2020

brianwilson said:

How do they make tickets non-transferable anyways, cuz you just take a screenshot and send the pic?

The barcode dynamically changes so screenshots don’t work anymore. I know it work in 2018 with the ballpark shows.

Evel K · February 2020

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Lowlight · February 2020

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C. When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

mpedone · February 2020

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C. When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

ecdanc · February 2020

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C. When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

SJ54844 · February 2020

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C. When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

What happens if you transfer your 10c for face using F2F or cashortrade.org then the next person sells those 10c seats for over face value, what happens then? Kind of worried about that. Obviously only possible for Denver and MSG shows. I am trying to sell mine to a friend so I don’t get caught up with someone abusing the rules on my original tickets.

IlliniGuy76 · February 2020

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C. When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

THIS
Stubhub and other third party resale sites wouldn't be in existence if State Law allowed for prosecutors to go over people selling tickets on their platform.

pjl44 · February 2020

SJ54844 said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C. When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

What happens if you transfer your 10c for face using F2F or cashortrade.org then the next person sells those 10c seats for over face value, what happens then? Kind of worried about that. Obviously only possible for Denver and MSG shows. I am trying to sell mine to a friend so I don’t get caught up with someone abusing the rules on my original tickets.

This would definitely be a concern for me. If I was selling extras, it would be to someone I know or someone on here with a solid reputation.

pjl44 · February 2020

Evel K said:

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Unless 10C follows through on voiding the tickets

Clapper · February 2020

pjl44 said:

Evel K said:

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Unless 10C follows through on voiding the tickets

I’m not sure they are actually allowed to void tickets, especially when the tickets are for places like CO or NY where there are legal parameters for re-sale. They can definitely revoke membership from the club though.

afgpj · February 2020

Over 60 GA tix for MSG currently listed. It’s a shame these are not in the hands of 10c members(real fans).

afgpj · February 2020

I ended up in the nosebleeds at MSG, which I expected with a high 10c number.

But my chances at GA were reduced because of this nonsense.

SJ54844 · February 2020

Clapper said:

pjl44 said:

Evel K said:

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Unless 10C follows through on voiding the tickets

I’m not sure they are actually allowed to void tickets, especially when the tickets are for places like CO or NY where there are legal parameters for re-sale. They can definitely revoke membership from the club though.

There can rules placed upon tickets in Colorado. The venue in Aspen, Belly Up, requires face value ticket exchange. Same as 10c.

pjl44 · February 2020

Clapper said:

pjl44 said:

Evel K said:

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Unless 10C follows through on voiding the tickets

I’m not sure they are actually allowed to void tickets, especially when the tickets are for places like CO or NY where there are legal parameters for re-sale. They can definitely revoke membership from the club though.

Yeah, I have no idea if that affects their ability to cancel the order

mpedone · February 2020

IlliniGuy76 said:

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C. When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

THIS
Stubhub and other third party resale sites wouldn't be in existence if State Law allowed for prosecutors to go over people selling tickets on their platform.

Yeah, looking more into this, it looks like the law is still on the books (maybe), but doesn't apply to StubHub because they're a "licensed reseller"? On their site, they do say that if you're selling tickets, you are "responsible for complying with applicable ticket resale laws", but I'm having trouble determining exactly what those are in regards to pricing. From what I read, resellers aren't allowed to charge a "premium" but can charge for "services".

I'm going to take the safe route and assume I was wrong about everything.

ecdanc · February 2020

mpedone said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban.

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C. When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

THIS
Stubhub and other third party resale sites wouldn't be in existence if State Law allowed for prosecutors to go over people selling tickets on their platform.

Yeah, looking more into this, it looks like the law is still on the books (maybe), but doesn't apply to StubHub because they're a "licensed reseller"? On their site, they do say that if you're selling tickets, you are "responsible for complying with applicable ticket resale laws", but I'm having trouble determining exactly what those are in regards to pricing. From what I read, resellers aren't allowed to charge a "premium" but can charge for "services".

I'm going to take the safe route and assume I was wrong about everything.

There have been no limits on secondary ticket markup in New York since 2007. https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

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