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mrussel1 said:until you piss him off......given my previous history I am very thankful to not have kids. wouldnt have been a pleasant upbringing.but I do have 2nd, 3rd and 4th cousins that trust my opinions over others..... so in that way I am helping raise a couple generations...._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:until you piss him off......given my previous history I am very thankful to not have kids. wouldnt have been a pleasant upbringing.but I do have 2nd, 3rd and 4th cousins that trust my opinions over others..... so in that way I am helping raise a couple generations....Admittedly and much to my embarrassment, I will admit I have had a short fuse now and then. The first step is admitting it, the second step is working on it- which I do. But be assured of this- if I can get down to Oakland to meet some of you, I guarantee I will not do the following:-Grouse, grumble, complain or yell.-Call you names-Act like aknow-it-all or wise-ass.-Kiss you on the lips or grab your tush.On the other hand, I will:-Either shake your hand, hand bump, hug or high five- your choice.-Tell you I'm glad to meet you.-Ask if you'd care to write something in a small nice-to-meet-you note pad.-And toast your beverage of choice- maybe even buy you a round!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Why the fuck are you coming if not to grab my tush? What a buzzkill.0
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mrussel1 said:Why the fuck are you coming if not to grab my tush? What a buzzkill.Alright, Jesus already, I'll grab your fucking tush.Oh, but wait, I'm hoping to bring my wife along too so maybe not!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:HughFreakingDillon said:ecdanc said:HughFreakingDillon said:dignin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Spiritual_Chaos said:HughFreakingDillon said:to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with.
to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense.
we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road.
I have problems seeing the big deal here.
I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with.
and I can't imagine having a FORCED identity crisis at 5 years old when I wouldn't have had one to begin with.Gotta give the guy a break though, 1st kid, 9 months I think? Regardless very young. He had no clue. It’s all Parenting book bullshit.hippiemom = goodness0 -
ecdanc said:dignin said:ecdanc said:HughFreakingDillon said:i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak".
second, i guess we can tell all those people out there transitioning at age 17, 22, 35, 47, and 69, that they are well behind the curve of modern 3 year olds.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
so claiming to be rejecting gender norms, which would include, but not limited to, clothing, appearance in general, toys, etc. yet, the choosing of the name needs to be gender neutral. why? if you are so progressive and smashing through the glass ceiling that is gender traditions, why go with what traditional gender roles define as a gender neutral name? isn't that going along with gender norms? what's wrong with cynthia or gladys as a name if the child chooses to be a boy? it shouldn't matter, after all, no matter what the child chooses, if the kid is perfectly comfortable in their own skin and identity at age 3, well, then, what's the problem?
and if the kid wants to change/choose their gender, why does name even matter? let the kid choose! i would imagine name is the least of the issues here.
just name it baby x until it's old enough to crawl to its preferred name on a flash card in between diaper changes.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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HughFreakingDillon said:so claiming to be rejecting gender norms, which would include, but not limited to, clothing, appearance in general, toys, etc. yet, the choosing of the name needs to be gender neutral. why? if you are so progressive and smashing through the glass ceiling that is gender traditions, why go with what traditional gender roles define as a gender neutral name? isn't that going along with gender norms? what's wrong with cynthia or gladys as a name if the child chooses to be a boy? it shouldn't matter, after all, no matter what the child chooses, if the kid is perfectly comfortable in their own skin and identity at age 3, well, then, what's the problem?
and if the kid wants to change/choose their gender, why does name even matter? let the kid choose! i would imagine name is the least of the issues here.
just name it baby x until it's old enough to crawl to its preferred name on a flash card in between diaper changes.Or do what Wavy Gravy did and name the boy something beyond gender neutral: Howdy Do-Good Gravy Tomahawk Truckstop Romney.It seems fucked up to me to not acknowledge a kids gender. Why set them up to have their heads messed with that way? That doesn't mean you can't let them express themselves in individual ways. As a toddler, I had a girl doll for a few years, a typical "girls toy". I didn't care, I liked dragging it around along with my blanket. I was Schroeder with a doll. Some time later on, I discovered that it was more interesting to make model airplanes, attach them to a string, and fly them around in a circle with lit firecrackers attached to the fuselage. Given the chance, kids figure out what shit works for them.
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brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:so claiming to be rejecting gender norms, which would include, but not limited to, clothing, appearance in general, toys, etc. yet, the choosing of the name needs to be gender neutral. why? if you are so progressive and smashing through the glass ceiling that is gender traditions, why go with what traditional gender roles define as a gender neutral name? isn't that going along with gender norms? what's wrong with cynthia or gladys as a name if the child chooses to be a boy? it shouldn't matter, after all, no matter what the child chooses, if the kid is perfectly comfortable in their own skin and identity at age 3, well, then, what's the problem?
and if the kid wants to change/choose their gender, why does name even matter? let the kid choose! i would imagine name is the least of the issues here.
just name it baby x until it's old enough to crawl to its preferred name on a flash card in between diaper changes.Or do what Wavy Gravy did and name the boy something beyond gender neutral: Howdy Do-Good Gravy Tomahawk Truckstop Romney.It seems fucked up to me to not acknowledge a kids gender. Why set them up to have their heads messed with that way? That doesn't mean you can't let them express themselves in individual ways. As a toddler, I had a girl doll for a few years, a typical "girls toy". I didn't care, I liked dragging it around along with my blanket. I was Schroeder with a doll. Some time later on, I discovered that it was more interesting to make model airplanes, attach them to a string, and fly them around in a circle with lit firecrackers attached to the fuselage. Given the chance, kids figure out what shit works for them.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
mickeyrat said:brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:so claiming to be rejecting gender norms, which would include, but not limited to, clothing, appearance in general, toys, etc. yet, the choosing of the name needs to be gender neutral. why? if you are so progressive and smashing through the glass ceiling that is gender traditions, why go with what traditional gender roles define as a gender neutral name? isn't that going along with gender norms? what's wrong with cynthia or gladys as a name if the child chooses to be a boy? it shouldn't matter, after all, no matter what the child chooses, if the kid is perfectly comfortable in their own skin and identity at age 3, well, then, what's the problem?
and if the kid wants to change/choose their gender, why does name even matter? let the kid choose! i would imagine name is the least of the issues here.
just name it baby x until it's old enough to crawl to its preferred name on a flash card in between diaper changes.Or do what Wavy Gravy did and name the boy something beyond gender neutral: Howdy Do-Good Gravy Tomahawk Truckstop Romney.It seems fucked up to me to not acknowledge a kids gender. Why set them up to have their heads messed with that way? That doesn't mean you can't let them express themselves in individual ways. As a toddler, I had a girl doll for a few years, a typical "girls toy". I didn't care, I liked dragging it around along with my blanket. I was Schroeder with a doll. Some time later on, I discovered that it was more interesting to make model airplanes, attach them to a string, and fly them around in a circle with lit firecrackers attached to the fuselage. Given the chance, kids figure out what shit works for them.How could I have forgotten that? I need help."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:mickeyrat said:brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:so claiming to be rejecting gender norms, which would include, but not limited to, clothing, appearance in general, toys, etc. yet, the choosing of the name needs to be gender neutral. why? if you are so progressive and smashing through the glass ceiling that is gender traditions, why go with what traditional gender roles define as a gender neutral name? isn't that going along with gender norms? what's wrong with cynthia or gladys as a name if the child chooses to be a boy? it shouldn't matter, after all, no matter what the child chooses, if the kid is perfectly comfortable in their own skin and identity at age 3, well, then, what's the problem?
and if the kid wants to change/choose their gender, why does name even matter? let the kid choose! i would imagine name is the least of the issues here.
just name it baby x until it's old enough to crawl to its preferred name on a flash card in between diaper changes.Or do what Wavy Gravy did and name the boy something beyond gender neutral: Howdy Do-Good Gravy Tomahawk Truckstop Romney.It seems fucked up to me to not acknowledge a kids gender. Why set them up to have their heads messed with that way? That doesn't mean you can't let them express themselves in individual ways. As a toddler, I had a girl doll for a few years, a typical "girls toy". I didn't care, I liked dragging it around along with my blanket. I was Schroeder with a doll. Some time later on, I discovered that it was more interesting to make model airplanes, attach them to a string, and fly them around in a circle with lit firecrackers attached to the fuselage. Given the chance, kids figure out what shit works for them.How could I have forgotten that? I need help.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
HughFreakingDillon said:ecdanc said:dignin said:ecdanc said:HughFreakingDillon said:i have read what was written. no point was missed. people here need to come to the realization that just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean a point was missed, or, as dignin so elegantly put it, as usual, is "fucking weak".
second, i guess we can tell all those people out there transitioning at age 17, 22, 35, 47, and 69, that they are well behind the curve of modern 3 year olds.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:so claiming to be rejecting gender norms, which would include, but not limited to, clothing, appearance in general, toys, etc. yet, the choosing of the name needs to be gender neutral. why? if you are so progressive and smashing through the glass ceiling that is gender traditions, why go with what traditional gender roles define as a gender neutral name? isn't that going along with gender norms? what's wrong with cynthia or gladys as a name if the child chooses to be a boy? it shouldn't matter, after all, no matter what the child chooses, if the kid is perfectly comfortable in their own skin and identity at age 3, well, then, what's the problem?
and if the kid wants to change/choose their gender, why does name even matter? let the kid choose! i would imagine name is the least of the issues here.
just name it baby x until it's old enough to crawl to its preferred name on a flash card in between diaper changes.
If you’d ever like to return to a conversation with me, let me know. For now it seems you’re content to keep bludgeoning your straw man.0
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