The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Per capita?ecdanc said:
Capitalism's got a big lead...mrussel1 said:
Communism does a fine job with that too.ecdanc said:
And capitalism creates dead bodies?mrussel1 said:
Fine, then Communism creates monsters. Better?ecdanc said:
Human nature is a myth.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
going in circles."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I'm just not in the mood to argue with your stupid comments. All evidence shows that a mixed/market economy lifts people out of poverty. You can see it over and over. China, Vietnam, everywhere. I just looked at World Bank data, just for you, and it shows that extreme poverty in China was 88% in 1981. It's now less than 1%. What happened in the 80s? They started abandoning the planned economy and invited foreign and private investment. China is a 'communist' in name only today, and really a market economy with statist political system. My God, look at the evidence. You keep saying "capitalism", but no one practices laissez-faire capitalism. It's all mixed economy and it's been a stunning success over the 20th century.ecdanc said:
You say communism is not the solution when Trump is the direct and logical result of your system?mrussel1 said:
I agree. I want him gone, that's why I discuss candidates here. Communism is certainly not the solution for Donald Trump. He would just make himself dictator for life in that system.ecdanc said:
This president is the apotheosis of your economic system, political system, and constitution.mrussel1 said:
Nope, we disagree with the president, not the economic system, the political system or the Constitution. Just because you lose a game doesn't mean you quit the sport.ecdanc said:
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.0 -
If this is what success looks like, I’m afraid to see failmrussel1 said:
I'm just not in the mood to argue with your stupid comments. All evidence shows that a mixed/market economy lifts people out of poverty. You can see it over and over. China, Vietnam, everywhere. I just looked at World Bank data, just for you, and it shows that extreme poverty in China was 88% in 1981. It's now less than 1%. What happened in the 80s? They started abandoning the planned economy and invited foreign and private investment. China is a 'communist' in name only today, and really a market economy with statist political system. My God, look at the evidence. You keep saying "capitalism", but no one practices laissez-faire capitalism. It's all mixed economy and it's been a stunning success over the 20th century.ecdanc said:
You say communism is not the solution when Trump is the direct and logical result of your system?mrussel1 said:
I agree. I want him gone, that's why I discuss candidates here. Communism is certainly not the solution for Donald Trump. He would just make himself dictator for life in that system.ecdanc said:
This president is the apotheosis of your economic system, political system, and constitution.mrussel1 said:
Nope, we disagree with the president, not the economic system, the political system or the Constitution. Just because you lose a game doesn't mean you quit the sport.ecdanc said:
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
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Sure.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Per capita?ecdanc said:
Capitalism's got a big lead...mrussel1 said:
Communism does a fine job with that too.ecdanc said:
And capitalism creates dead bodies?mrussel1 said:
Fine, then Communism creates monsters. Better?ecdanc said:
Human nature is a myth.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
going in circles.0 -
human nature is a myth?Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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And the biggest successes have been countries being strongly Social Democratic. Helping out by ones ability - and getting help by ones need. History has clearly shown this.mrussel1 said:
I'm just not in the mood to argue with your stupid comments. All evidence shows that a mixed/market economy lifts people out of poverty. You can see it over and over. China, Vietnam, everywhere. I just looked at World Bank data, just for you, and it shows that extreme poverty in China was 88% in 1981. It's now less than 1%. What happened in the 80s? They started abandoning the planned economy and invited foreign and private investment. China is a 'communist' in name only today, and really a market economy with statist political system. My God, look at the evidence. You keep saying "capitalism", but no one practices laissez-faire capitalism. It's all mixed economy and it's been a stunning success over the 20th century.ecdanc said:
You say communism is not the solution when Trump is the direct and logical result of your system?mrussel1 said:
I agree. I want him gone, that's why I discuss candidates here. Communism is certainly not the solution for Donald Trump. He would just make himself dictator for life in that system.ecdanc said:
This president is the apotheosis of your economic system, political system, and constitution.mrussel1 said:
Nope, we disagree with the president, not the economic system, the political system or the Constitution. Just because you lose a game doesn't mean you quit the sport.ecdanc said:
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
BOOM!
Back on track. IOWA. YANG. @cincybearcat will be positively surprised come 2022 when living in a fairer country.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
You saw it if you study Chinese economics from post WWII until the 80's. Pretty easy to compare and contrast. Do you think the 19th century was better for the common man? What about the middle ages? Higher standard of living for most people? Face it, we are at the zenith of human existence right now, in terms of standard of living, live expectancy, health, knowledge, technology, etc. We will move forward still, but the market economy enabled much of this growth.ecdanc said:
If this is what success looks like, I’m afraid to see failmrussel1 said:
I'm just not in the mood to argue with your stupid comments. All evidence shows that a mixed/market economy lifts people out of poverty. You can see it over and over. China, Vietnam, everywhere. I just looked at World Bank data, just for you, and it shows that extreme poverty in China was 88% in 1981. It's now less than 1%. What happened in the 80s? They started abandoning the planned economy and invited foreign and private investment. China is a 'communist' in name only today, and really a market economy with statist political system. My God, look at the evidence. You keep saying "capitalism", but no one practices laissez-faire capitalism. It's all mixed economy and it's been a stunning success over the 20th century.ecdanc said:
You say communism is not the solution when Trump is the direct and logical result of your system?mrussel1 said:
I agree. I want him gone, that's why I discuss candidates here. Communism is certainly not the solution for Donald Trump. He would just make himself dictator for life in that system.ecdanc said:
This president is the apotheosis of your economic system, political system, and constitution.mrussel1 said:
Nope, we disagree with the president, not the economic system, the political system or the Constitution. Just because you lose a game doesn't mean you quit the sport.ecdanc said:
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.0 -
Nothing wrong with adding some cooperatively owned businesses, a flair of syndicalism etc to freshen things up."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Cooperative between what entities?Spiritual_Chaos said:Nothing wrong with adding some cooperatively owned businesses, a flair of syndicalism etc to freshen things up.0 -
What do you mean?mrussel1 said:
Cooperative between what entities?Spiritual_Chaos said:Nothing wrong with adding some cooperatively owned businesses, a flair of syndicalism etc to freshen things up."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
You said cooperatively owned businesses. Are you referring to a public/private ownership, such as when the Obama administration bought millions of shares of GM? Or do you mean some sort of VC type government investment (which they do here in the States) or what?Spiritual_Chaos said:
What do you mean?mrussel1 said:
Cooperative between what entities?Spiritual_Chaos said:Nothing wrong with adding some cooperatively owned businesses, a flair of syndicalism etc to freshen things up.0 -
Or do you mean like the Green Bay Packers, who you could argue are somewhat of a cooperative as well, creating a legal and economic structure that basically prevents them from ever leaving.0
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I mean like the swedish supermarket chain "COOP", owned by its members/costumers:mrussel1 said:
You said cooperatively owned businesses. Are you referring to a public/private ownership, such as when the Obama administration bought millions of shares of GM? Or do you mean some sort of VC type government investment (which they do here in the States) or what?Spiritual_Chaos said:
What do you mean?mrussel1 said:
Cooperative between what entities?Spiritual_Chaos said:Nothing wrong with adding some cooperatively owned businesses, a flair of syndicalism etc to freshen things up.KF (Swedish: Kooperativa Förbundet, "Swedish Co-operative Union") is a federation of consumer co-operatives in Sweden[1] and a retail group, with groceries as its core business.
Or the bank/insurance company "Länsförsäkringar", also owned by its members/customers:Länsförsäkringar, or literally County Insurance, is a Swedish group of customer owned insurance companies. The group consists of 23 independent companies, one in each of the counties of Sweden (pre 1998 division), that cooperate under a common brand name. Länsförsäkringar Bank, is a bank which was started in the 1990s and is operated by the group.
A consumers' co-operative is an enterprise owned by consumers and managed democratically which aims at fulfilling the needs and aspirations of their members.[1] They operate within the market system, independently of the state, as a form of mutual aid, oriented toward service rather than pecuniary profit.[2] Consumers' cooperatives often take the form of retail outlets owned and operated by their consumers, such as food co-ops.[3] However, there are many types of consumers' cooperatives, operating in areas such as health care, insurance, housing, utilities and personal finance (including credit unions).
Or as another example, kindergardens that are owned/run by the parents.Parent cooperatives are a form of operation between private and public, for schools, leisure homes and preschools. The opportunity for parents to run schools and day care centers with state or municipal grants became more common in Sweden during the 1980s.
During the 1980s, there was an extensive political debate about whether nurseries could be run in corporation/Stock company form, or only in the form of parent cooperativesPost edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I pay plenty. Plenty.ecdanc said:
So your family makes at LEAST 150,000/year. I prefer expropriation over taxes, but in the meantime, yeah, you should pay more.cincybearcat said:
When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.hippiemom = goodness0 -
150k family income a year isn't exactly rich if you live in an urban area.0
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I pay plenty. Plenty.ecdanc said:
So your family makes at LEAST 150,000/year. I prefer expropriation over taxes, but in the meantime, yeah, you should pay more.cincybearcat said:
When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.0 -
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