The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Human nature is a myth.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
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Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.0 -
Nope, we disagree with the president, not the economic system, the political system or the Constitution. Just because you lose a game doesn't mean you quit the sport.ecdanc said:
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.0 -
This president is the apotheosis of your economic system, political system, and constitution.mrussel1 said:
Nope, we disagree with the president, not the economic system, the political system or the Constitution. Just because you lose a game doesn't mean you quit the sport.ecdanc said:
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
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When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.hippiemom = goodness0 -
In fairness, you would not have to pay your health insurance from work anymore... HOWEVER.... I'm sure much of that funding is coming from additional employment taxes which could have a negative effect on your compensation.cincybearcat said:
When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.0 -
I agree. I want him gone, that's why I discuss candidates here. Communism is certainly not the solution for Donald Trump. He would just make himself dictator for life in that system.ecdanc said:
This president is the apotheosis of your economic system, political system, and constitution.mrussel1 said:
Nope, we disagree with the president, not the economic system, the political system or the Constitution. Just because you lose a game doesn't mean you quit the sport.ecdanc said:
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.0 -
What would you and your family get, though? It isn’t simply a matter of paying more if there is also a benefit obtained. Then one has to weigh the relative value of the costs and benefits.cincybearcat said:
When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
That is taking into account what I already paymrussel1 said:
In fairness, you would not have to pay your health insurance from work anymore... HOWEVER.... I'm sure much of that funding is coming from additional employment taxes which could have a negative effect on your compensation.cincybearcat said:
When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.
His tax specially costs me >$11khippiemom = goodness0 -
Nothing. It's all give. If you are asking me specifically. And I'm fine with some give for some changes. But not that.oftenreading said:
What would you and your family get, though? It isn’t simply a matter of paying more if there is also a benefit obtained. Then one has to weigh the relative value of the costs and benefits.cincybearcat said:
When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Ugh, now I don't want to put my numbers in until it's impeding doom.cincybearcat said:
That is taking into account what I already paymrussel1 said:
In fairness, you would not have to pay your health insurance from work anymore... HOWEVER.... I'm sure much of that funding is coming from additional employment taxes which could have a negative effect on your compensation.cincybearcat said:
When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.
His tax specially costs me >$11k0 -
Fine, then Communism creates monsters. Better?ecdanc said:
Human nature is a myth.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
going in circles.0 -
So your family makes at LEAST 150,000/year. I prefer expropriation over taxes, but in the meantime, yeah, you should pay more.cincybearcat said:
When I did the calculator on Sanders page just for health care, my family would pay an additional $6000/year in taxes. YippeeeeeeSpiritual_Chaos said:
Calling someone wanting to help people, and actually having ideals and a view of a better future "horrible" (and instead voting for someone who doesn't even touch climate change in times like these) is... yeah...And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
But anyways. Where do you get this information about not surviving financially with him as president?
Go to hell Bernie...but not just for that.0 -
Trump does not hold all economic or political power. If he did, he would have shut down Amazon, closed the Post and arrested Jeff Bezos by now.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I agree. E.g. Trump.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
going in circles.
Luckily you have the firewall of Batman-without-the-suit Adam Schiff. People in history have not been as lucky.
And Social Democracy is still the best system out there. As shown in practice. So - LETS GO IOWA!0 -
You say communism is not the solution when Trump is the direct and logical result of your system?mrussel1 said:
I agree. I want him gone, that's why I discuss candidates here. Communism is certainly not the solution for Donald Trump. He would just make himself dictator for life in that system.ecdanc said:
This president is the apotheosis of your economic system, political system, and constitution.mrussel1 said:
Nope, we disagree with the president, not the economic system, the political system or the Constitution. Just because you lose a game doesn't mean you quit the sport.ecdanc said:
What are y’all doing here arguing about the Democratic candidates? Shouldn’t you have left as soon as Trump was elected?mcgruff10 said:
Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.mrussel1 said:
I think you can catch a ship to the east any time. Make it happen. Be a man.ecdanc said:
Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2mrussel1 said:
and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...ecdanc said:
So did Kissinger.mcgruff10 said:
Pol pot did an amazing job.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.0 -
And capitalism creates dead bodies?mrussel1 said:
Fine, then Communism creates monsters. Better?ecdanc said:
Human nature is a myth.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
going in circles.0 -
Communism does a fine job with that too.ecdanc said:
And capitalism creates dead bodies?mrussel1 said:
Fine, then Communism creates monsters. Better?ecdanc said:
Human nature is a myth.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
going in circles.0 -
Exactly. Luckily the Soviet Union had Stalin and not Trump!!mrussel1 said:
Trump does not hold all economic or political power. If he did, he would have shut down Amazon, closed the Post and arrested Jeff Bezos by now.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I agree. E.g. Trump.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
going in circles.
Luckily you have the firewall of Batman-without-the-suit Adam Schiff. People in history have not been as lucky.
And Social Democracy is still the best system out there. As shown in practice. So - LETS GO IOWA!"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Capitalism's got a big lead...mrussel1 said:
Communism does a fine job with that too.ecdanc said:
And capitalism creates dead bodies?mrussel1 said:
Fine, then Communism creates monsters. Better?ecdanc said:
Human nature is a myth.mrussel1 said:
Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people. At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants. It's just not human nature. So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system.mrussel1 said:
then I don't understand your point. Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system. The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day. I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Never said there wasn't.mrussel1 said:
There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.mrussel1 said:
Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well. Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty. People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis. They read Marx and say "aha!". Yet it fails every time.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?mrussel1 said:
Communism is a failed economic philosophy and is for fucking morons. Excuse my language.ecdanc said:
Since it may be a while before we get to full communism, I'd like to see taxes increased across the board, but definitely on anyone who would be significantly affected by Sanders's policies.mrussel1 said:
No, fingers crossed that your taxes are so high that you can't take care of your family.mcgruff10 said:
That Biden wins? Agreed.ecdanc said:
Fingers crossedmcgruff10 said:
Yes voting for trump over sanders is a very popular opinion around here that I have piggybacked (insert sarcasm). Second amendment rights is one where I got against the norm. On Iran, mrussell and I went head to head. So I"m not really sure where you are coming from on that one. All my thoughts are my own.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:
It just shows what a horrible candidate Sanders is in my eyes. I ll continue to engage in this discussion since I m the only one voting in the election between the two of us.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still you'd proudly vote for fascist Trump over Sanders.mcgruff10 said:
Agreed.cincybearcat said:
I agree. Don't vote for that liar Bernie sanders. Just ask Elizabeth Warren.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
So maybe skip joining in on this discussion.
Why do you so often piggyback on other peoples posts and opinions? Now its Mickeyrats endlessly repeated (and moot) punchline you choose to parrot. Historically it has most often been mrussels.
I don't get that trait.
And say what you want about Sanders being "horrible", you still would pick full blown racist Trump and his 8000+ lies. Which i don't even think the parroted in here would be able to defend. Or at least I hope they can't.
And that's the end of the "engaging" for me, because what is there to gain from someone who would "proudly" choose Trump over a normal human being. You that even are the only one voting in the election between the two of us! Come on Man! (Biden quote)
I did use mickeyrats line about you not voting here in the us. Guilty as charged.
And yes I think Sanders is horrible. His policies would cost me a hell of a lot of money to the point where I would actual question whether or not I would be able to pay my current bills and live in my house. I realize you only have to worry about you but I have an entire family to take care of.
Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.
But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe.
And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT
For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
towards Debbie's driveway.
ALICE
Here we are.
DAN
Something's wrong here. It feels like...
EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT
Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:
EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT
You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.
ALICE AND DAN
(simultaneously)
C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.
Alice stares at Dan.
ALICE
Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
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