The Democratic Presidential Debates

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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    I think I'm now supposed to say something about how you don't get to vote in US elections. 
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    mrussel1 said:
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    No one is stopping you from moving to North Korea.
    Why would he/she?

    What made you suddenly so weirdly aggravated. Lol.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mcgruff10 said:
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    Agreed. Are north korea and Cuba shining examples?

    Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well.  Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty.  People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis.  They read Marx and say "aha!".  Yet it fails every time.  
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    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
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    Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well.  Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty.  People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis.  They read Marx and say "aha!".  Yet it fails every time.  
    Social democracy has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.

    Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.

    Not to point out the obvious.
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well.  Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty.  People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis.  They read Marx and say "aha!".  Yet it fails every time.  
    *Bloc
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Well Cambodia and the Soviet Block were stunning successes as well.  Even Vietnam transferred from a centrally planned to a market economy starting in the 80's and now over 40 million people were lifted out of poverty.  People who advocate for communism just have never done any real critical analysis.  They read Marx and say "aha!".  Yet it fails every time.  
    Pol pot did an amazing job. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mcgruff10 said:
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    Pol pot did an amazing job. 
    So did Kissinger. 
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Democratic socialism has provided the far best successes in history. If you want to go down that path.

    Greedy capitalism fueled by egocentrism and patriotism (read nationalism) has not.
    There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.  And Sweden is a market/mixed economy just like the US.  Social benefits are the difference, although I don't know which country has more gov't investments.  There's no comparison between communism and a gov't providing social benefits.  
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    ecdanc said:
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    *Bloc
    auto-correct, but yes and the point stands.  
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    ecdanc said:
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    So did Kissinger. 
    and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...
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    mrussel1 said:
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    There's a world of difference between Dem socialism/socialism and communism.  
    Never said there wasn't.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mrussel1 said:
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    and Stalin..and Lenin...and Mao...
    Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Never said there wasn't.
    then I don't understand your point.  Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system.  The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day.  I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.  
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    I think wasn't should be "weren't". But you quoted me before I could change that. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I think wasn't should be "weren't". But you quoted me before I could change that. 
    distinction without a difference. I'm not the grammar police on a rock band forum.  More interested in the conversation.  
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    ecdanc said:
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    Reagan, Thatcher, Bush x 2
    I think you can catch a ship to the east any time.  Make it happen.  Be a man.  
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    mrussel1 said:
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    I think you can catch a ship to the east any time.  Make it happen.  Be a man.  
    Kim jong un would welcome you with open arms.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mrussel1 said:
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    then I don't understand your point.  Your country is also driven by greedy capitalism, since we have the same fundamental economic system.  The only difference is that your government provides more social services, but we are the same economy at the end of the day.  I'm contrasting it to full blown communism.  
    Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system. 

    Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.

    But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe. 

    I am though zero percent for communism in anyway. Just to make that clear, because i guess some people on here might get that wrong.

    And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong and right about concerning that. But it's okey because:

    INT. DAN'S TRUCK - NIGHT

    For the third time, Alice is turning the corner headed
    towards Debbie's driveway.

    ALICE
    Here we are.

    DAN
    Something's wrong here. It feels like...

    EXT. DEBBIE'S HOUSE - NIGHT

    Alice is about to pull in, then BAM, SMASH CUT TO:

    EXT. STREET CORNER - NIGHT

    You guessed it. Dan waits as Alice comes running up.

    ALICE AND DAN
    (simultaneously)
    C'mon, we have to hurry. I'm driving.

    Alice stares at Dan.

    ALICE
    Oh God, I'm still asleep. He's got us
    going in circles.

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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Greedy vile dictatorships draining a country for the sole reason of the dictator and the elite isn't "full blown communism". It's greedy vile dictatorships misusing a system. 

    Just like fascist Trump is misusing a system for the sole reason of himself and the elite.

    But I am not interested in having a discussion about communism vs capitalism. I doubt there can be anything out there as tired as discussing that. Maybe people claiming No Code is better than Riot Act. But just maybe. 

    And I am to my knowledge not allowed to discuss Sweden vs the US if I want to keep my posting privileges - so I am not able to go into the differences and what you are wrong about concerning that. But it's okey because:

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    Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people.  At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants.  It's just not human nature.  So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.  
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Communism may be fine on paper, but history has shown that in practice, it is corrupted into violence and oppression against one's own people.  At the end of the day, the leaders of any country will not be peasants.  It's just not human nature.  So you're right.. 'greedy vile dictators', but that's the nature when you consolidate all economic, military and political power into one small group of people/person.  
    I agree. E.g. Trump.

    Luckily you have the firewall of Batman-without-the-suit Adam Schiff. People in history have not been as lucky.

    And Social Democracy is still the best system out there. As shown in practice. So - LETS GO IOWA!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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