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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    Dude this cracked me up!! 
    Liar. 😉
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,421
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    You forgot D) I don't give a flying fuck. 

    Then wouldn't you be able to find a "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised. But that is not an excuse for mutilating boys without their contest and having them decide over their own bodies of course. So it's pretty absurd when you think about it"  from within yourself. Instead of whatever "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised" is, if you are not giving a "flying fuck".
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    This is just a perfect example of accepting what one's culture does while rejecting what one's culture generally doesn't do, even when there are major similarities. One example of medically unnecessary genital surgery on children is accepted as normal, even positive, and another is abhorrent and unnatural.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • ecdanc said:
    Mama’s boy. 😉
    TY for getting my joke!
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,875

    Then wouldn't you be able to find a "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised. But that is not an excuse for mutilating boys without their contest and having them decide over their own bodies of course. So it's pretty absurd when you think about it"  from within yourself. Instead of whatever "I have not met a person per has complained that they were circumcised" is, if you are not giving a "flying fuck".
    I have no idea what you mean.  If you're saying that I've never heard anyone complain about their circumcision because I don't care to hear it, well that's kind of dumb.  I hear about all sorts of things I don't care about. And remember, I don't care about MY circumcision.  That's the point. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    I have no idea what you mean.  If you're saying that I've never heard anyone complain about their circumcision because I don't care to hear it, well that's kind of dumb.  I hear about all sorts of things I don't care about. And remember, I don't care about MY circumcision.  That's the point. 
    Oh, you don't care about yooouuur circumcision.

    Well then.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    #leavethedicksalone =)

    My husband is miffed about having been circumcised as a baby; I've no complaints!

    My dad was circumcised as well; it was simply a given among the Jews in Germany, at that time (1920's).

    I can't imagine a grown man subjecting himself to that as an adult.  I wonder if it's part of converting to Judaism...?

    (someone please cue Elaine:  "It had no...personality!"
  • hedonist said:
    #leavethedicksalone =)

    My husband is miffed about having been circumcised as a baby; I've no complaints!

    My dad was circumcised as well; it was simply a given among the Jews in Germany, at that time (1920's).

    I can't imagine a grown man subjecting himself to that as an adult.  I wonder if it's part of converting to Judaism...?

    (someone please cue Elaine:  "It had no...personality!"
    But you can still see the argument for not mutilating a baby for the reason of "eh... reasons"? Even with it being a given for your grandfather and maybe even for your husband.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    But you can still see the argument for not mutilating a baby for the reason of "eh... reasons"? Even with it being a given for your grandfather and maybe even for your husband.
    Yup.  Never said I didn't.

    Just that I'm quite happy with the end result, so to speak.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,421
    edited January 2020
    hedonist said:

    Just that I'm quite happy with the end result, so to speak.
    That make two of us sistah

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
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    His eminence has yet to show. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,875
    hedonist said:
    Yup.  Never said I didn't.

    Just that I'm quite happy with the end result, so to speak.
    Ba da tss...  I like it!  

    And yes Spiritual.. I don't care about MINE.  And I haven't met anyone that does, but I'm sure they're out there.  There's no law to do it, or not do it, so I definitely could care less about the topic.  My son was, and he's never asked me about it once.  He's 18 now.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    mcgruff10 said:
    See all five of our kids we raise as boys and girls.  What they end up choosing later on in life is up to them and I will love them all no matter what.  I just don’t think the gender neutral thing benefits anyone.  Imo calling them he/she has no bearing on whether or not they are trans. If anything I would think gender neutral would confuse a kid even more. 
    agreed 100%
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with. 

    to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense. 

    we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,109
    mrussel1 said:
    Ba da tss...  I like it!  

    And yes Spiritual.. I don't care about MINE.  And I haven't met anyone that does, but I'm sure they're out there.  There's no law to do it, or not do it, so I definitely could care less about the topic.  My son was, and he's never asked me about it once.  He's 18 now.  
    I have four sons, all are snipped and no complaints. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,875
    to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with. 

    to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense. 

    we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road. 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    This is just a perfect example of accepting what one's culture does while rejecting what one's culture generally doesn't do, even when there are major similarities. One example of medically unnecessary genital surgery on children is accepted as normal, even positive, and another is abhorrent and unnatural.
    my wife and I decided prior to our girls being born that if we were to have boys, no circumcision. it's barbaric and serves no purpose. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,875
    my wife and I decided prior to our girls being born that if we were to have boys, no circumcision. it's barbaric and serves no purpose. 
    chicks dig it. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,421
    edited January 2020
    to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with. 

    to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense. 

    we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road. 
    Well... part of being a parent is to listen and be attentive to ones child's needs and wants. So, if the child with the NON CIRCUMCISED penis start to express feeling more like a girl - then a good parent would be open minded and dynamic in the parenting. And if it comes down to the child wanting to be called a "she". Then just switch the pronoun... 

    I have problems seeing the big deal here.

    I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,791
    my wife and I decided prior to our girls being born that if we were to have boys, no circumcision. it's barbaric and serves no purpose. 
    We talked about it briefly and couldn't decide.  We had a girl thankfully.  Not just for that, but it was a nice benefit.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    hedonist said:
    It appears you're still het up.

    I am not.

    Let's not do this yet again.
    het up? I honestly don't know what that's supposed to mean. 

    I just get annoyed when people jump into a thread flapping their morally superior gums around. I would expect someone to hold my feet to the fire if I was to act this way as well. there's just zero need for this type of "observation". 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    Well... part of being a parent is to listen and be attentive to ones child's needs and wants. So, if the child with the NON CIRCUMCISED penis start to express feeling more like a girl - then a good parent would be open minded and dynamic in the parenting. And if it comes down to the child wanting to be called a "she". Then just switch the pronoun... 

    I have problems seeing the big deal here.

    I mean. My niece loved Frozen. And I thought she still did. Then she said she HATED FROZEN and only loved pokemon. So I adjusted and started teasing her about her still having Olaf bedsheets.
    your post has nothing to do with what I wrote. I WOULD be attentive to their needs if they were to express the need to transition, in whatever form that took. 

    But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,506
    There’s also medically necessary circumcision that some men develop later in life ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,875
    your post has nothing to do with what I wrote. I WOULD be attentive to their needs if they were to express the need to transition, in whatever form that took. 

    But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with. 
    99.4%, you giant liar.  
  • your post has nothing to do with what I wrote. I WOULD be attentive to their needs if they were to express the need to transition, in whatever form that took. 

    But I already stated: starting from a point of neutrality, where 99.9% of all other kids are one or the other, could be incredibly harmful. The benefits just do not outweigh the cons on this. I think neutral gender kids could end up being confused when there was no actual need for it to begin with. 
    I agreed with you...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    mrussel1 said:
    99.4%, you giant liar.  
    LMAO
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    I agreed with you...
    that wasn't clear to me. my bad. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    There’s also medically necessary circumcision that some men develop later in life ...
    yes, of course, but doing it as a baby, in my eyes, is barbaric. I don't care that I was, as i obviously have no memory of it, but it's proven that for the vast majority of males, there is no medical reason to do it. 
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    to me, the infinitesimal reality of your child wanting/needing to transition at some point in life does not require everyone to start from a position of neutrality. as mcgruff said, i think that could be incredibly confusing to a kid who by default is highly likely going to identify as the traditional gender that goes with the biological sex they are born with. 

    to me that's like preparing your budget based on the possibility of winning the lottery. it just doesn't make sense. 

    we as a society have a long way to go in acceptance and normalization of those that want/need this in their lives, but I think it could be detrimental long term for everyone to take this road. 
    No, it's like buying life insurance even though the chances are slim you'll use it. 
  • ecdanc said:
    No, it's like buying life insurance even though the chances are slim you'll use it. 
    There are bigger fights to be had. Let's head to Cyberdyne.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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