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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,604
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.


    "California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?"

    That sounds barbaric to me.  If I'm off on this, maybe someone can explain why it's OK, although I have a hard time imagining I could be in favor of something like that. 

    "Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision."

    That sounds very sensible. 
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    edited January 2020
    People: How can you give hormone replacement therapy to young children?

    But at the same time: Lets mutilate and cut off a bit of a young child's genitals!
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,437
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    I can't find anything about such a case beyond some right wing and christian news sources trying to raise controversy over providing gender affirming health care and mental health care for children 12 and older who are foster care or about parents allowing their __  year old child to transition, but not with any physical changes or hormones.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tbergs said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    I can't find anything about such a case beyond some right wing and christian news sources trying to raise controversy over providing gender affirming health care and mental health care for children 12 and older who are foster care or about parents allowing their __  year old child to transition, but not with any physical changes or hormones.
    That was all I could find, too, though I’ll admit I didn’t go beyond about three pages in google. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,604
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,604
    closest as I could find from a source I know... from 2012


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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,531
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,604
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
    possible but I think he is more  internet savvy than that.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
    possible but I think he is more  internet savvy than that.
    Probably, but we know that controversy sells, so he has an incentive to misrepresent things.  I don't know Rogan's work, but I'm stating that broadly. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
    possible but I think he is more  internet savvy than that.
    Rogan? 


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,604
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
    possible but I think he is more  internet savvy than that.
    Rogan? 


    heard any stance on this since this was posted coming up on EIGHT YEARS AGO.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,437
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
    possible but I think he is more  internet savvy than that.
    Rogan? 


    heard any stance on this since this was posted coming up on EIGHT YEARS AGO.
    You make a good point, but anyone who makes that statement and their source material is Breitbart, doesn't get a pass from me, unless this was a form of sarcasm. Hard to tell with these types of post and no context around it.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,604
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
    possible but I think he is more  internet savvy than that.
    Rogan? 


    heard any stance on this since this was posted coming up on EIGHT YEARS AGO.
    You make a good point, but anyone who makes that statement and their source material is Breitbart, doesn't get a pass from me, unless this was a form of sarcasm. Hard to tell with these types of post and no context around it.
    true. ine fact not mentioned before now here, rogan is a major stoner. his stoned late night surfing may leave him susceptible to conspiracy. but to his credit, he will call himself out for dumb shit he once thought that he evolved from.
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    mickeyrat Posts: 44,604
    mickeyrat said:
    tbergs said:
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
    possible but I think he is more  internet savvy than that.
    Rogan? 


    heard any stance on this since this was posted coming up on EIGHT YEARS AGO.
    You make a good point, but anyone who makes that statement and their source material is Breitbart, doesn't get a pass from me, unless this was a form of sarcasm. Hard to tell with these types of post and no context around it.
    true. ine fact not mentioned before now here, rogan is a major stoner. his stoned late night surfing may leave him susceptible to conspiracy. but to his credit, he will call himself out for dumb shit he once thought that he evolved from.
    one thing I've noticed since bernie posted that clip is every guest on the podcast since has been mma .......
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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    couldnt find it either, so as sometimes happens with rogan he misunderstood the transition and perhaps took it to medical intervention erroneously
    Or a rumored news story spirals through social media and is regarded as fact?  Happens all the time.
    possible but I think he is more  internet savvy than that.
    Rogan? 


    heard any stance on this since this was posted coming up on EIGHT YEARS AGO.
    You make a good point, but anyone who makes that statement and their source material is Breitbart, doesn't get a pass from me, unless this was a form of sarcasm. Hard to tell with these types of post and no context around it.
    true. ine fact not mentioned before now here, rogan is a major stoner. his stoned late night surfing may leave him susceptible to conspiracy. but to his credit, he will call himself out for dumb shit he once thought that he evolved from.
    one thing I've noticed since bernie posted that clip is every guest on the podcast since has been mma .......
    We've come full circle back to Joe Rogan!! 
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    amethgr8 Posts: 766
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    no on the medical intervention. it would be "if you still feel strongly and you want to do that when  you are 18".  The human brain and body do not reach full maturity until the age of 25.  I encourage the child to use what they have and dress the way they want, but accept their human body.  Maybe it would work, maybe it would not work, once a child is an adult they will do what they want.


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    tbergs said:
    oftenreading said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    amethgr8 said:
    As parents, you have to make decisions for your children. Formula or breast milk, meat or no meat, TV or music, etc it goes on for years before children make their own conscious choices.  as long as you give children love, support and acceptance, maybe a bit of how to overcome potential obstacles they will most likey be okay with what they choose.

    i think by default a parent that has overcome the social boxes they were brought up in, will naturally elimate those same boxes for their own children.

    i never appreciated gender roles much, but they are a big part of any society.

    i think it's ironic for a person that does not want to be gender labeled, dress in an attire that is clearly gender based, that is confusing to me.
    do you think such parental choices should include medical intervention i.e. hormone replacement in young children?

    to reference kinda what started all this here from the dem thread and joe rogans supposed endorsement bernie put up on his site.
    "hormone replacement in young children"?  Is that even legal? 


    California case....  3 yr old I think? as of last year?

    Rogans point is, if these kids are in fact trans. great. love nuture  support. let them grow first. they can decide for themselves once grown and able to make an informed decision.



    Link to that please? Because using hormone therapy in a child that young is both contrary to the existing treatment guidelines, which specify the child being old enough to provide informed consent and which is typically considered 16, and also pretty much pointless, as the influence of sex hormones in children that young is minimal in their development. There are of course effects on in utero development, and then significant effects once puberty starts rolling, but in between gonadal hormonal levels are very low.

    I'm guessing that you're actually referring to "social transitioning", not medical. 
    I can't find anything about such a case beyond some right wing and christian news sources trying to raise controversy over providing gender affirming health care and mental health care for children 12 and older who are foster care or about parents allowing their __  year old child to transition, but not with any physical changes or hormones.
    https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2019/transgender-custody-statement

    "Claims that a transgender child would receive surgical or irreversible hormonal treatment do not reflect the reality of medical practice."

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