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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 16,935
    rgambs said:
    ecdanc said:
    rgambs said:
    To get back on topic... I've heard theybe before, but never really given it any thought?
    Is baby a gendered term, or is it a way to signify to people a desire to avoid gendering. Or something else?
    Read the thread 
    Thank you, very helpful.
    heres a hint. its within the first 100 or less posts. save for a few relevant posts after that the rest is this useless back and forth that has little or nothing to do with the topic.

    it began to stop the derailment of the dem candidate thread. GIF master posted a clip bernies team used of he and rogan on his podcadt. used without permission btw.

    THAT began a bunch of fuck that guy, hes a homophobe, transphobe etc....

    As it relates to this topic here, Rogan has a specific beef. Undisclosed transwomen competeing in combat sports, i.e. MMA.. With full disclosure and acceptance of the other party for the match he has no issue. Nondisclosure is wrong in his view.

    One aspect here that a given individual refuses to address or seems to,  is the physiological aspects of transwomen. This individual has stated the declaration of a transwoman is enough, that they are women , even in the face of potentially male genitalia present. And should be allowed to compete against physiological women from birth.

    My arguement is , they shouldnt due to a lifetime of naturally produced anabolic steriods in transwomen. The effects of which on the human body arent so readily reversible with hormone therapy. given the production level AND usage in the body differences, its inherently unfair in competition.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 16,935
    mickeyrat said:
    I wonder what, if any , accommodations will be made once he reaches prison. Would assume he starts out in a juvenile facility intil 18.......


    16-Year-Old Pleads Guilty to Murder in Colorado School Shooting https://nyti.ms/3898e0t

      frompage 30. with no comment from anyone.
    I am QUITE SURE this young man really is appreciative of the uberadvocate here.... finds his pissing matches most helpful.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,557
    mickeyrat said:
    rgambs said:
    ecdanc said:
    rgambs said:
    To get back on topic... I've heard theybe before, but never really given it any thought?
    Is baby a gendered term, or is it a way to signify to people a desire to avoid gendering. Or something else?
    Read the thread 
    Thank you, very helpful.
    heres a hint. its within the first 100 or less posts. save for a few relevant posts after that the rest is this useless back and forth that has little or nothing to do with the topic.

    it began to stop the derailment of the dem candidate thread. GIF master posted a clip bernies team used of he and rogan on his podcadt. used without permission btw.

    THAT began a bunch of fuck that guy, hes a homophobe, transphobe etc....

    As it relates to this topic here, Rogan has a specific beef. Undisclosed transwomen competeing in combat sports, i.e. MMA.. With full disclosure and acceptance of the other party for the match he has no issue. Nondisclosure is wrong in his view.

    One aspect here that a given individual refuses to address or seems to,  is the physiological aspects of transwomen. This individual has stated the declaration of a transwoman is enough, that they are women , even in the face of potentially male genitalia present. And should be allowed to compete against physiological women from birth.

    My arguement is , they shouldnt due to a lifetime of naturally produced anabolic steriods in transwomen. The effects of which on the human body arent so readily reversible with hormone therapy. given the production level AND usage in the body differences, its inherently unfair in competition.
    My argument is trans women are women. 
    Pudding in and pudding in--don't feel like methadone. 
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,378
    I reread the first 5 pages until the derailment and there was NOT an explanation of why the term theybe is used.  I wanted to avoid Google for a number of reasons, but I guess to Google I go.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,378
    For those who may also wonder, no "baby" is not a gendered term.  I wasn't able to find a firm reason to abandon baby for theybe, it seems it seems like it's a signal to others that you intend to avoid gendering your child.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,662
    rgambs said:
    For those who may also wonder, no "baby" is not a gendered term.  I wasn't able to find a firm reason to abandon baby for theybe, it seems it seems like it's a signal to others that you intend to avoid gendering your child.
    So when someone says... Oh congratulations!  Did you have a boy or girl... do you say "neither"?
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,378
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    For those who may also wonder, no "baby" is not a gendered term.  I wasn't able to find a firm reason to abandon baby for theybe, it seems it seems like it's a signal to others that you intend to avoid gendering your child.
    So when someone says... Oh congratulations!  Did you have a boy or girl... do you say "neither"?
    If it was me, and I had made this choice, I'm guessing I would just say "We had a beautiful and healthy baby!"
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,662
    rgambs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    For those who may also wonder, no "baby" is not a gendered term.  I wasn't able to find a firm reason to abandon baby for theybe, it seems it seems like it's a signal to others that you intend to avoid gendering your child.
    So when someone says... Oh congratulations!  Did you have a boy or girl... do you say "neither"?
    If it was me, and I had made this choice, I'm guessing I would just say "We had a beautiful and healthy baby!"
    Fair, although avoiding the question a bit.  I guess the proper answer is "we're not sure yet".  
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,378
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    For those who may also wonder, no "baby" is not a gendered term.  I wasn't able to find a firm reason to abandon baby for theybe, it seems it seems like it's a signal to others that you intend to avoid gendering your child.
    So when someone says... Oh congratulations!  Did you have a boy or girl... do you say "neither"?
    If it was me, and I had made this choice, I'm guessing I would just say "We had a beautiful and healthy baby!"
    Fair, although avoiding the question a bit.  I guess the proper answer is "we're not sure yet".  
    Yeah, but if you don't already know our intentions you probably aren't close enough to me for me to care if you get the full story lol
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,662
    rgambs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    For those who may also wonder, no "baby" is not a gendered term.  I wasn't able to find a firm reason to abandon baby for theybe, it seems it seems like it's a signal to others that you intend to avoid gendering your child.
    So when someone says... Oh congratulations!  Did you have a boy or girl... do you say "neither"?
    If it was me, and I had made this choice, I'm guessing I would just say "We had a beautiful and healthy baby!"
    Fair, although avoiding the question a bit.  I guess the proper answer is "we're not sure yet".  
    Yeah, but if you don't already know our intentions you probably aren't close enough to me for me to care if you get the full story lol
    Good point
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 29,630
    Wait a minute- there are people who have a problem with the word "baby"? 

    ba·by
    /ˈbābē/
    noun
    noun: baby; plural noun: babies
    1.  a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.

    What in the frickin hell is wrong with using that term?   Good god, I think some people are way too desperate to have something to grouse about.  Is this like an attention getting thing?

    “After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.”
    -Aldous Huxley
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,378
    brianlux said:
    Wait a minute- there are people who have a problem with the word "baby"? 

    ba·by
    /ˈbābē/
    noun
    noun: baby; plural noun: babies
    1.  a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.

    What in the frickin hell is wrong with using that term?   Good god, I think some people are way too desperate to have something to grouse about.  Is this like an attention getting thing?

    I don't think it's a problem with the word, my sense is more that not using it sends a very clear signal that things will be done differently.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,662
    brianlux said:
    Wait a minute- there are people who have a problem with the word "baby"? 

    ba·by
    /ˈbābē/
    noun
    noun: baby; plural noun: babies
    1.  a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.

    What in the frickin hell is wrong with using that term?   Good god, I think some people are way too desperate to have something to grouse about.  Is this like an attention getting thing?

    Brian - that's been proper nomenclature for a good week now.  Keep up with the times, Boomer. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 29,630
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    “After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.”
    -Aldous Huxley
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.









  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,557
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    For those who may also wonder, no "baby" is not a gendered term.  I wasn't able to find a firm reason to abandon baby for theybe, it seems it seems like it's a signal to others that you intend to avoid gendering your child.
    So when someone says... Oh congratulations!  Did you have a boy or girl... do you say "neither"?
    I have said exactly that. 
    Pudding in and pudding in--don't feel like methadone. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,557
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man
    Pudding in and pudding in--don't feel like methadone. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,827
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    I don't see why this is so upsetting. If it's not hurting anyone it's none of my business, and I don't think letting a child determine their own gender harmful.

    Like you said, I got bigger fish to fry.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,670
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Except no one is really arguing about the use of the word baby. Some people are using a different word, which is fine; there are plenty of objects that have more than one name or more than one word to describe them.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 29,630
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    Great song.  Lou Reed!

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    I don't see why this is so upsetting. If it's not hurting anyone it's none of my business, and I don't think letting a child determine their own gender harmful.

    Like you said, I got bigger fish to fry.

    I just think it's ridiculous to say that the word "baby" implies anything other than what the word mean:  a newborn. 
    “After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.”
    -Aldous Huxley
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.









  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 29,630
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    “After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.”
    -Aldous Huxley
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.









  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,557
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    You’re complaining about people who don’t exist. You’re attacking a straw man. First definition to the letter. 
    Pudding in and pudding in--don't feel like methadone. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,557
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    Great song.  Lou Reed!

    dignin said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    I don't see why this is so upsetting. If it's not hurting anyone it's none of my business, and I don't think letting a child determine their own gender harmful.

    Like you said, I got bigger fish to fry.

    I just think it's ridiculous to say that the word "baby" implies anything other than what the word mean:  a newborn. 
    No one is. 
    Pudding in and pudding in--don't feel like methadone. 
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,203
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 29,630
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 

    Straw woman?  Straw thing?

    All I know is, simply name calling is a cop out.  So I'm out. 

    Adios!
    “After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.”
    -Aldous Huxley
    ***********
    M.I.T.S.









  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,557
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 

    Straw woman?  Straw thing?

    All I know is, simply name calling is a cop out.  So I'm out. 

    Adios!
    I really don’t like Brians who pretend to be from Paraguay. Please stop. 
    Pudding in and pudding in--don't feel like methadone. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,827
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 15,662
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 

    Straw woman?  Straw thing?

    All I know is, simply name calling is a cop out.  So I'm out. 

    Adios!
    Do you guys remember that hilarious thread after Berkley banned Policeman and Fireman in their code?  That was fun.. especially our favorite PJ bassist Jeff ApersonT.  
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,557
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    ecdanc said:
    brianlux said:
    This is such a first world issue.  There are millions of mothers and fathers (or what ever the fuck they are called now) who are just trying to make sure their new born thing has something to eat and here in the first world there are people who are arguing about the word "baby".  Good fucking grief!
    Straw man

    straw man
    /ˌstrô ˈman/
    noun
    noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
    1. 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
      "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
    Not me.
    1. 2.  a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.
    No way.

    Well, which one is it, professor?  Do you see the irony of simply responding to what I said with one simple disparaging name calling? 
    What if you're not a man? You can't be a straw man. 

    Straw woman?  Straw thing?

    All I know is, simply name calling is a cop out.  So I'm out. 

    Adios!
    Do you guys remember that hilarious thread after Berkley banned Policeman and Fireman in their code?  That was fun.. especially our favorite PJ bassist Jeff ApersonT.  
    The fishing company?
    Pudding in and pudding in--don't feel like methadone. 
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 20,540
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    That’s what I thought too, but what do I know. 
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,203
    hedonist said:
    dignin said:
    Calling someone's argument a straw man is not name calling, just so everyone's clear.
    That’s what I thought too, but what do I know. 
    I think the second definition posted may have been the offense. But it wasn't me. And I  do note the irony of someone who has argued for two-dozen or so pages in two different threads about their PhD in Gender Linguistics (or whatever) using the word "man" to discredit someone else's position about gender. It's just silly, and I have enjoyed ignoring most of that expert's posts.
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