The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Then vote for the meteor strike, ha. I hear it is bipartisan!benjs said:
I wouldn't be surprised to find out Spiritual_Chaos IS Bernie Sanders!PJPOWER said:
Yeah, fuck Sanders. Write in Spiritual Chaosmcgruff10 said:
hmmm I never thought of that. I like the check but I don't know if I could vote Sanders.mrussel1 said:
I would vote Sanders, but would be fine if the Republicans held the Senate, providing a check. Trump is so corrupt, unprincipled and a shitty human, that I could never pull that levermcgruff10 said:
Proud? no. I'd be pissed that my party voted in a candidate that is way too far left for my liking.Spiritual_Chaos said:
lol at "far left"mcgruff10 said:
So what exactly does it say about me? I don't agree with the far left. Sanders and Warren are worse candidates than Hillary. Pete, Biden, even Yang I would vote for but not the other two. I hate warren's stance on college loan forgiveness and breaking up corporations like amazon and how on earth are we ever going to afford everything Bernie promises?Spiritual_Chaos said:
The bolded is all you have to say. It says everything.mcgruff10 said:
Just a quick recap of my presidential voting history:Spiritual_Chaos said:Biden sure is something. Maybe he'll instead vote for a fascist and be proud of it like @mcgruff10Biden won’t commit to backing Sanders if he’s the nominee
https://apnews.com/0c9c652ec75fc4d6b14e69006c34d14f
1996 (were you in 2nd grade this year): bill clinton
2000: Al Gore
2004: John Kerry
2008/12: Barack Obama
2016: Hillary Clinton
I am center left and really really don't agree with the policies of Sanders or Warren so if they were the dems candidate I'd have to really take a long look at my vote but honestly I'd probably vote Trump. I think I agree with him more with him than the extreme left.
So again, how are the democrats doing in your country? Which one are you hoping gets elected?
Not allowed to discuss Sweden in relations to the US is my understanding. So you have to check with Kat first if I can respond to that. Whatever relevance to the thread it has?
and what it says about you. I just responded to that, so let me paraphrase myself.
You are proud to be voting for a fascist and a serial rapist who is tearing up anything that has to do with fighting climate change.
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Holy mind fuck!!benjs said:
I wouldn't be surprised to find out Spiritual_Chaos IS Bernie Sanders!PJPOWER said:
Yeah, fuck Sanders. Write in Spiritual Chaosmcgruff10 said:
hmmm I never thought of that. I like the check but I don't know if I could vote Sanders.mrussel1 said:
I would vote Sanders, but would be fine if the Republicans held the Senate, providing a check. Trump is so corrupt, unprincipled and a shitty human, that I could never pull that levermcgruff10 said:
Proud? no. I'd be pissed that my party voted in a candidate that is way too far left for my liking.Spiritual_Chaos said:
lol at "far left"mcgruff10 said:
So what exactly does it say about me? I don't agree with the far left. Sanders and Warren are worse candidates than Hillary. Pete, Biden, even Yang I would vote for but not the other two. I hate warren's stance on college loan forgiveness and breaking up corporations like amazon and how on earth are we ever going to afford everything Bernie promises?Spiritual_Chaos said:
The bolded is all you have to say. It says everything.mcgruff10 said:
Just a quick recap of my presidential voting history:Spiritual_Chaos said:Biden sure is something. Maybe he'll instead vote for a fascist and be proud of it like @mcgruff10Biden won’t commit to backing Sanders if he’s the nominee
https://apnews.com/0c9c652ec75fc4d6b14e69006c34d14f
1996 (were you in 2nd grade this year): bill clinton
2000: Al Gore
2004: John Kerry
2008/12: Barack Obama
2016: Hillary Clinton
I am center left and really really don't agree with the policies of Sanders or Warren so if they were the dems candidate I'd have to really take a long look at my vote but honestly I'd probably vote Trump. I think I agree with him more with him than the extreme left.
So again, how are the democrats doing in your country? Which one are you hoping gets elected?
Not allowed to discuss Sweden in relations to the US is my understanding. So you have to check with Kat first if I can respond to that. Whatever relevance to the thread it has?
and what it says about you. I just responded to that, so let me paraphrase myself.
You are proud to be voting for a fascist and a serial rapist who is tearing up anything that has to do with fighting climate change.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
god I dig your randomness. commenting out of the blue days after....Jason P said:I hope Hillary loses all $50M.
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This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing. Bloomberg's movement is pretty interesting. His buys have worked, that's for sure. He will be relevant this spring, and poses a risk for Biden in particular. If Warren dropped and Bloomberg stayed, you could see a Bernie win. Same might be true the other way. This will be a fascinating spring for political junkies. I just don't want them damaging each other. Win on your own merits.mickeyrat said:0 -
I m actually warming up to Bloomberg.mrussel1 said:
This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing. Bloomberg's movement is pretty interesting. His buys have worked, that's for sure. He will be relevant this spring, and poses a risk for Biden in particular. If Warren dropped and Bloomberg stayed, you could see a Bernie win. Same might be true the other way. This will be a fascinating spring for political junkies. I just don't want them damaging each other. Win on your own merits.mickeyrat said:I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/11/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-election-democratic-party-nominationmcgruff10 said:
I m actually warming up to Bloomberg.mrussel1 said:
This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing. Bloomberg's movement is pretty interesting. His buys have worked, that's for sure. He will be relevant this spring, and poses a risk for Biden in particular. If Warren dropped and Bloomberg stayed, you could see a Bernie win. Same might be true the other way. This will be a fascinating spring for political junkies. I just don't want them damaging each other. Win on your own merits.mickeyrat said:
“The official case for a Bloomberg nomination, such as it is, hinges on the ludicrous idea that the current Democratic field needs yet another business-friendly centrist touting some form of compromise between the ordinarily and extraordinarily wealthy.”0 -
I have no fundamental issues with him at all. He's good on guys, good on healthcare. He's pro-business, but not to the point of being a zealot. I'd be fine with him, with what I know so far. I haven't read on his position of Palestine, so that's important. He's Jewish, so I would want to know that he would be a fair arbiter of that issue.mcgruff10 said:
I m actually warming up to Bloomberg.mrussel1 said:
This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing. Bloomberg's movement is pretty interesting. His buys have worked, that's for sure. He will be relevant this spring, and poses a risk for Biden in particular. If Warren dropped and Bloomberg stayed, you could see a Bernie win. Same might be true the other way. This will be a fascinating spring for political junkies. I just don't want them damaging each other. Win on your own merits.mickeyrat said:0 -
mrussel1 said:
I have no fundamental issues with him at all. He's good on guys, good on healthcare. He's pro-business, but not to the point of being a zealot. I'd be fine with him, with what I know so far. I haven't read on his position of Palestine, so that's important. He's Jewish, so I would want to know that he would be a fair arbiter of that issue.mcgruff10 said:
I m actually warming up to Bloomberg.mrussel1 said:
This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing. Bloomberg's movement is pretty interesting. His buys have worked, that's for sure. He will be relevant this spring, and poses a risk for Biden in particular. If Warren dropped and Bloomberg stayed, you could see a Bernie win. Same might be true the other way. This will be a fascinating spring for political junkies. I just don't want them damaging each other. Win on your own merits.mickeyrat said:there wasd an article or something asbout how he spoke for a jewish advocacy group or something down in Fla. Ingratiating himself with them. contrasting his faith to bernies lack. his philanthropic efforts in israel. how he is such a friend to israel.I seriously doubt he would . frankly the US needs to step back snd let Europe broker something. US mantains the chipping away of status quo while bibi makes his moves_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
My biggest beef with Bloomberg is his authoritarian impulses. Orchestrated the push to allow himself a third term as mayor then immediately led the effort to change the law back after he was re-elected. He was a proponent of stop-and-frisk and advocates for strict drug policy. His position on the Chinese government is abysmal (see linked article and ignore stupid headline).
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/michael-bloomberg-china-pbs-climate-xi-dictator.html
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oh also csnt seem to stick with a party.....pjl44 said:My biggest beef with Bloomberg is his authoritarian impulses. Orchestrated the push to allow himself a third term as mayor then immediately led the effort to change the law back after he was re-elected. He was a proponent of stop-and-frisk and advocates for strict drug policy. His position on the Chinese government is abysmal (see linked article and ignore stupid headline).
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/michael-bloomberg-china-pbs-climate-xi-dictator.html
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
Well we've got that shit on both sides of the D spectrum.. PJ44, thanks for the article. I'm going to read it a little later.mickeyrat said:
oh also csnt seem to stick with a party.....pjl44 said:My biggest beef with Bloomberg is his authoritarian impulses. Orchestrated the push to allow himself a third term as mayor then immediately led the effort to change the law back after he was re-elected. He was a proponent of stop-and-frisk and advocates for strict drug policy. His position on the Chinese government is abysmal (see linked article and ignore stupid headline).
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/michael-bloomberg-china-pbs-climate-xi-dictator.html0 -
The Klobb is pretty nice to listen to when she's talking in a relatively informell situation:
https://youtu.be/J27dQ55_mcY
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
DES MOINES — A Democratic super PAC wanted to undermine Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential candidacy just days before the Iowa caucuses. It may have handed him a gift instead.
Mr. Sanders’s campaign said on Wednesday that it had raised more than $1.3 million since it began fund-raising the day before off a negative ad produced by the super PAC that targets Mr. Sanders by name.
The ad, backed by the political action arm of the group Democratic Majority for Israel, argues that Mr. Sanders, of Vermont, would be unable to beat President Trump in the November general election, citing his heart attack nearly five months ago and his left-wing ideology as evidence that he would be too risky a choice for Iowa caucusgoers focused on winning back the White House.
https://youtu.be/gOdMo2D9jbk
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-attack-ads.html"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
pjl44 said:
Wherein "gutted health insurance" is people unenrolling from plans now that they're no longer required to buy them and "access" is taking away private insurance (including that which many unions have fought hard for) and replacing it with a centralized federal system that will conservatively double the entire annual budgetLerxst1992 said:
You’d prefer trump gutted health insurance from 20+ million Americans rather than sanders make sure all could get access?mcgruff10 said:
Proud? no. I'd be pissed that my party voted in a candidate that is way too far left for my liking.Spiritual_Chaos said:
lol at "far left"mcgruff10 said:
So what exactly does it say about me? I don't agree with the far left. Sanders and Warren are worse candidates than Hillary. Pete, Biden, even Yang I would vote for but not the other two. I hate warren's stance on college loan forgiveness and breaking up corporations like amazon and how on earth are we ever going to afford everything Bernie promises?Spiritual_Chaos said:
The bolded is all you have to say. It says everything.mcgruff10 said:
Just a quick recap of my presidential voting history:Spiritual_Chaos said:Biden sure is something. Maybe he'll instead vote for a fascist and be proud of it like @mcgruff10Biden won’t commit to backing Sanders if he’s the nominee
https://apnews.com/0c9c652ec75fc4d6b14e69006c34d14f
1996 (were you in 2nd grade this year): bill clinton
2000: Al Gore
2004: John Kerry
2008/12: Barack Obama
2016: Hillary Clinton
I am center left and really really don't agree with the policies of Sanders or Warren so if they were the dems candidate I'd have to really take a long look at my vote but honestly I'd probably vote Trump. I think I agree with him more with him than the extreme left.
So again, how are the democrats doing in your country? Which one are you hoping gets elected?
Not allowed to discuss Sweden in relations to the US is my understanding. So you have to check with Kat first if I can respond to that. Whatever relevance to the thread it has?
and what it says about you. I just responded to that, so let me paraphrase myself.
You are proud to be voting for a fascist and a serial rapist who is tearing up anything that has to do with fighting climate change.I agree the first step should be voluntary, Medicare if u want it. Keep your current plan if you like.
but if we are framing it under Mcgruff’s choice, the Sanders option is much better than the trump option. The Sanders option works in most of the world, but it will be challenging to implement here. But that’s still better than the medical deaths and bankruptcies that will occur if Trump steals another election.I prefer the Pete, Amy or Joe option in the middle.0 -
The Sanders option couldn't even be implemented in Vermont. That's how untenable it is.Lerxst1992 said:pjl44 said:
Wherein "gutted health insurance" is people unenrolling from plans now that they're no longer required to buy them and "access" is taking away private insurance (including that which many unions have fought hard for) and replacing it with a centralized federal system that will conservatively double the entire annual budgetLerxst1992 said:
You’d prefer trump gutted health insurance from 20+ million Americans rather than sanders make sure all could get access?mcgruff10 said:
Proud? no. I'd be pissed that my party voted in a candidate that is way too far left for my liking.Spiritual_Chaos said:
lol at "far left"mcgruff10 said:
So what exactly does it say about me? I don't agree with the far left. Sanders and Warren are worse candidates than Hillary. Pete, Biden, even Yang I would vote for but not the other two. I hate warren's stance on college loan forgiveness and breaking up corporations like amazon and how on earth are we ever going to afford everything Bernie promises?Spiritual_Chaos said:
The bolded is all you have to say. It says everything.mcgruff10 said:
Just a quick recap of my presidential voting history:Spiritual_Chaos said:Biden sure is something. Maybe he'll instead vote for a fascist and be proud of it like @mcgruff10Biden won’t commit to backing Sanders if he’s the nominee
https://apnews.com/0c9c652ec75fc4d6b14e69006c34d14f
1996 (were you in 2nd grade this year): bill clinton
2000: Al Gore
2004: John Kerry
2008/12: Barack Obama
2016: Hillary Clinton
I am center left and really really don't agree with the policies of Sanders or Warren so if they were the dems candidate I'd have to really take a long look at my vote but honestly I'd probably vote Trump. I think I agree with him more with him than the extreme left.
So again, how are the democrats doing in your country? Which one are you hoping gets elected?
Not allowed to discuss Sweden in relations to the US is my understanding. So you have to check with Kat first if I can respond to that. Whatever relevance to the thread it has?
and what it says about you. I just responded to that, so let me paraphrase myself.
You are proud to be voting for a fascist and a serial rapist who is tearing up anything that has to do with fighting climate change.I agree the first step should be voluntary, Medicare if u want it. Keep your current plan if you like.
but if we are framing it under Mcgruff’s choice, the Sanders option is much better than the trump option. The Sanders option works in most of the world, but it will be challenging to implement here. But that’s still better than the medical deaths and bankruptcies that will occur if Trump steals another election.I prefer the Pete, Amy or Joe option in the middle.
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711
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I told my sister I am voting for Yang in the primaries. She basically said, well, yeah, the primaries are a good place to make a statement. I thought that was about right, but also a good way to get new ideas out there- like MATH, Make America Think Harder. I hope Yang's run at least gets some interest rolling.Bottom line for me (stating the obvious), whoever wins the Democratic nomination will get my vote."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Bernie Sanders Pulls Away From Pack in California
https://www.kqed.org/news/11798764/bernie-sanders-pulls-away-from-pack-in-california
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.html
Congresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Chrissy Houlahan is the US Democratic representative from Pennsylvania's 6th District. She is the New Democrat Coalition's freshman leader. The views expressed in this commentary are her own.Dear Iowa and New Hampshire voters,
You will have immense influence over who our 2020 presidential Democratic nominee will be. There are many compelling candidates from which to choose, but on behalf of Democrats everywhere, I ask one important thing: Send us someone who can win a state like mine in the general election this November.I represent a competitive district in Pennsylvania, one of the battleground states that decided the last election and could very well decide this one. And Pennsylvania isn't alone. If less than 80,000 well-placed votes across three states -- Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania -- had changed in 2016, Hillary Clinton would be president. And no matter what early polls are saying right now, President Donald Trump could win these states again.To help in your decision, let me tell you a little bit about the state I come from.Like the other so-called "Blue Wall" states, Pennsylvania voted for every Democratic presidential nominee from 1992 to 2012. That was before falling to Trump by a scant 44,000 votes in 2016. Interestingly, in the county encompassing Pittsburgh, Clinton outperformed President Barack Obama, and in the county encompassing Philadelphia, Clinton came close to Obama's turnout.Compared with 2012, the problem wasn't turnout in urban areas. Rather, Trump overperformed in several high-turnout rural counties in Pennsylvania.So, how do we beat Trump in 2020? The same way Democrats in swing districts like mine did in 2018 across the country: by staying mindful of the middle-class jobs that are supporting small towns and rural America across the county.A quick example is trade. Many of the farmers I know are by nature independent. They aren't tied to partisan loyalty and might vote for a Democrat, but not if many Democrats appear to reflexively believe that all trade deals are bad. The simple fact is that farmers need better trade agreements to sell their goods. We have to show them we're ready to help.In Pennsylvania, our mushroom farms are woven into the fabric of Pennsylvania life, but they're struggling. Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs have raised packaging costs, while the ongoing trade war has put them on their heels against overseas competition.It isn't just Pennsylvania, either. Two dairy farms are closing every day in Wisconsin, another important swing state, in part because of Trump's trade policies. Farmers know what's happening. Rural Americans live the reality that other Americans read about only in the headlines. That's going to matter, and Democrats need to speak to those concerns.Take health care as another example. For years, union workers collectively fought for the best health care benefits among middle-class families nationwide. Many sacrificed raises and other benefits to do so. Those same workers will not be willing to trade those victories in for a single-payer Medicare for All plan. It may not be as good as the coverage they already have and may come with higher taxes for the middle class.The way to win on health care is by building on the Affordable Care Act to cover everyone, making sure people can keep their employer coverage, and most importantly, lowering people's out-of-pocket costs. That's true for union workers in Pennsylvania. But make no mistake, it will also be true in Michigan, which voted for Trump by less than 12,000 votes and has a tremendous union presence.Trust me. I help lead the New Democrat Coalition, a caucus of forward-looking Democrats in the House, which includes members who flipped seats blue in 2018 -- ushering in a new Democratic majority. They won by meeting voters where they are on issues like trade and health care, and proposing practical, pragmatic solutions for the American people.If we are to win back the White House, this is how we will get it done. To the voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, please keep that in mind when it comes time to vote in February.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.html
Congresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liar
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Awesome rebuttal as usual.Spiritual_Chaos said:mcgruff10 said:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/opinions/iowa-caucus-goers-choose-moderate-houlahan/index.htmlCongresswoman: Iowa, send someone who can win my state
Well, she can always vote for a repeated liarI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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