All things Transgender related

ecdanc · January 2020

mickeyrat said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

but your intent here is supposed to excuse things, right.

Have never said that.

Gern Blansten · January 2020

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

I think you just want to argue regardless of what anyone says here.

brianlux · January 2020

I can't help but wonder if some one has...

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ecdanc · January 2020

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

I think you just want to argue regardless of what anyone says here.

I'd love not to argue, but people keep saying offensive things here, then they want to argue when I say "umm, that's offensive."

Just say, "I hadn't thought about how my choice of words might have an impact on marginalized people; I'll respect people's pronoun choices so I don't unwittingly align myself with these harmful discursive formations" and we'll have no argument.

ecdanc · January 2020

brianlux said:

I can't help but wonder if some one has...

I know you probably won't believe me, but my only ulterior motive is to call out people who are being offensive/dehumanizing.

brianlux · January 2020

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

I can't help but wonder if some one has...

I know you probably won't believe me, but my only ulterior motive is to call out people who are being offensive/dehumanizing.

Right, like homophobic, prejudiced bigots such as myself.

dignin · January 2020

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

It should and it does, in my experiences anyways.

ecdanc · January 2020

brianlux said:

ecdanc said:

brianlux said:

I can't help but wonder if some one has...

I know you probably won't believe me, but my only ulterior motive is to call out people who are being offensive/dehumanizing.

Right, like homophobic, prejudiced bigots such as myself.

Now you’re being purposely obtuse. Your statement was linked to prejudice. Read.

ecdanc · January 2020

dignin said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

It should and it does, in my experiences anyways.

I agree that intentionally dehumanizing someone is worse than unintentionally dehumanizing someone.

dignin · January 2020

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

I think you just want to argue regardless of what anyone says here.

I'd love not to argue, but people keep saying offensive things here, then they want to argue when I say "umm, that's offensive."

Just say, "I hadn't thought about how my choice of words might have an impact on marginalized people; I'll respect people's pronoun choices so I don't unwittingly align myself with these harmful discursive formations" and we'll have no argument.

I think most here would agree with the bolded. I do.

ecdanc · January 2020

dignin said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

I think you just want to argue regardless of what anyone says here.

I'd love not to argue, but people keep saying offensive things here, then they want to argue when I say "umm, that's offensive."

Just say, "I hadn't thought about how my choice of words might have an impact on marginalized people; I'll respect people's pronoun choices so I don't unwittingly align myself with these harmful discursive formations" and we'll have no argument.

I think most here would agree with the bolded. I do.

We have some very vocal holdouts.

Gern Blansten · January 2020

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

I think you just want to argue regardless of what anyone says here.

I'd love not to argue, but people keep saying offensive things here, then they want to argue when I say "umm, that's offensive."

Just say, "I hadn't thought about how my choice of words might have an impact on marginalized people; I'll respect people's pronoun choices so I don't unwittingly align myself with these harmful discursive formations" and we'll have no argument.

I guess I have a hard time putting it in context.

tempo_n_groove · January 2020

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

A lot of people think this way. I think this way.

It is something I try and understand and do not get, I just don't.

I have gay neighbors that have an adopted son that wants to trasngender/transform to a woman. They don't understand but are trying.

I'm trying.

It may take a lot of questions and people telling me I'm offending them or I am not getting it but I am trying.

In the end I may not understand but that doesn't mean that I am against what they are doing. Live and let live.

ecdanc · January 2020

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

I think you just want to argue regardless of what anyone says here.

I'd love not to argue, but people keep saying offensive things here, then they want to argue when I say "umm, that's offensive."

Just say, "I hadn't thought about how my choice of words might have an impact on marginalized people; I'll respect people's pronoun choices so I don't unwittingly align myself with these harmful discursive formations" and we'll have no argument.

I guess I have a hard time putting it in context.

Not sure what you mean

ecdanc · January 2020

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

A lot of people think this way. I think this way.

It is something I try and understand and do not get, I just don't.

I have gay neighbors that have an adopted son that wants to trasngender/transform to a woman. They don't understand but are trying.

I'm trying.

It may take a lot of questions and people telling me I'm offending them or I am not getting it but I am trying.

In the end I may not understand but that doesn't mean that I am against what they are doing. Live and let live.

“This ... is ridiculous” does not sound like someone trying to understand.

dignin · January 2020

ecdanc said:

dignin said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

It should and it does, in my experiences anyways.

I agree that intentionally dehumanizing someone is worse than unintentionally dehumanizing someone.

In my experience, although very limited, the trans people I know are very understanding. I work with a trans person, but I had the luxury of being introduced to her with her name. So that's how I refer to her.

But even with my best intentions, I could probably still fuck that up somehow and I get the impression she would be forgiving. Most of us have spent our entire lives using two pronouns so we're bound to slip every once in awhile, even with the best of intentions.

Gern Blansten · January 2020

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

A lot of people think this way. I think this way.

It is something I try and understand and do not get, I just don't.

I have gay neighbors that have an adopted son that wants to trasngender/transform to a woman. They don't understand but are trying.

I'm trying.

It may take a lot of questions and people telling me I'm offending them or I am not getting it but I am trying.

In the end I may not understand but that doesn't mean that I am against what they are doing. Live and let live.

well said....

I get that saying "there is only male and female" is probably incorrect. I'm not a scientist so I just can't argue about it.

ecdanc · January 2020

dignin said:

ecdanc said:

dignin said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

See, what’s the proper way for me to tell Gern he’s being offensive?

keep in mind that I don't care what pronoun people use....I'm just not going to use it

So you’re reinforcing the dehumanization of trans, non-binary, and gender fluid people.

Not intentionally. I don't think it is fair to make that case against someone who truly doesn't care how people choose to identify.

Why does your intent matter? I doubt it does to the trans people you’re misgendering.

It should and it does, in my experiences anyways.

I agree that intentionally dehumanizing someone is worse than unintentionally dehumanizing someone.

In my experience, although very limited, the trans people I know are very understanding. I work with a trans person, but I had the luxury of being introduced to her with her name. So that's how I refer to her.

But even with my best intentions, I could probably still fuck that up somehow and I get the impression she would be forgiving. Most of us have spent our entire lives using two pronouns so we're bound to slip every once in awhile, even with the best of intentions.

Absolutely. The goal is to minimize—and eventually eliminate—their need to be forgiving (in this precise way).

Gern Blansten · January 2020

ecdanc said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

A lot of people think this way. I think this way.

It is something I try and understand and do not get, I just don't.

I have gay neighbors that have an adopted son that wants to trasngender/transform to a woman. They don't understand but are trying.

I'm trying.

It may take a lot of questions and people telling me I'm offending them or I am not getting it but I am trying.

In the end I may not understand but that doesn't mean that I am against what they are doing. Live and let live.

“This ... is ridiculous” does not sound like someone trying to understand.

I apologize if that offended you, truly. I think it is ridiculous in the sense that no one could possibly know what pronoun someone wants to be referred to as when we don't have it tattooed on our foreheads or wear some sort of sign/tag.

Spiritual_Chaos · January 2020

Gern Blansten said:

ecdanc said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'll say this....I don't care how people identify and want to live their lives. Life is too short for us to tell anyone how they can live.

That being said, this pronoun crap is ridiculous. They even have to document your preferred pronoun on medical records now. I told my wife I am going to use "her/they" if they ask me.

A lot of people think this way. I think this way.

It is something I try and understand and do not get, I just don't.

I have gay neighbors that have an adopted son that wants to trasngender/transform to a woman. They don't understand but are trying.

I'm trying.

It may take a lot of questions and people telling me I'm offending them or I am not getting it but I am trying.

In the end I may not understand but that doesn't mean that I am against what they are doing. Live and let live.

“This ... is ridiculous” does not sound like someone trying to understand.

I apologize if that offended you, truly. I think it is ridiculous in the sense that no one could possibly know what pronoun someone wants to be referred to as when we don't have it tattooed on our foreheads or wear some sort of sign/tag.

So? What's the point trying to be made here?

Who has asked you to know this?

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