The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    But seems nothing can be too far right for your liking.

    Amazing.
    Did you actually read the candidates I have voted for? again:
    clinton, gore, kerry, obama x2, clinton.
    What the heck are you talking about?

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435
    mcgruff10 said:
    Proud?  no.  I'd be pissed that my party voted in a candidate that is way too far left for my liking.  

    I would vote Sanders,  but would be fine if the Republicans held the Senate, providing a check.  Trump is so corrupt,  unprincipled and a shitty human, that I could never pull that lever 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    mrussel1 said:
    I would vote Sanders,  but would be fine if the Republicans held the Senate, providing a check.  Trump is so corrupt,  unprincipled and a shitty human, that I could never pull that lever 
    hmmm I never thought of that.  I like the check but I don't know if I could vote Sanders.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,069
    Putting up a questionable candidate and shrieking at people didn't work in 2016, either
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,802
    mcgruff10 said:
    hmmm I never thought of that.  I like the check but I don't know if I could vote Sanders.
    even knowing virtually all the campaign policy position are nonstarters  legislatively?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,991
    pjl44 said:
    The drinks are flowing! Oaktoooooown.

    I don't have tickets for the show but "Oaktown" (LOL) is about 2 1/2 hours from home, so I'm hoping I can make it down there to meet some of you fine folks! 

    For those who are going, the Oakland Arena is a great venue!  In years past, I've seen a few amazing shows there- Jethro Tull in the  80's was awesome! Have a blast!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435
    brianlux said:

    I don't have tickets for the show but "Oaktown" (LOL) is about 2 1/2 hours from home, so I'm hoping I can make it down there to meet some of you fine folks! 

    For those who are going, the Oakland Arena is a great venue!  In years past, I've seen a few amazing shows there- Jethro Tull in the  80's was awesome! Have a blast!
    I'd love to meet you.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435
    @Spiritual_Chaos I just want to say I'm sorry.  Doesn't matter what for, but just know that I am. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    mrussel1 said:
    @Spiritual_Chaos I just want to say I'm sorry.  Doesn't matter what for, but just know that I am. 
    I want to buy him a nice cold zima on tap at the next pre party. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435
    mcgruff10 said:
    I want to buy him a nice cold zima on tap at the next pre party. 
    Hell I'll listen to Kiss songs!  Even "On the 8th Day"!  
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,991
    mrussel1 said:
    I'd love to meet you.

    Great, likewise, M!  I hope I can make it down!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,802
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,168
    mcgruff10 said:
    Proud?  no.  I'd be pissed that my party voted in a candidate that is way too far left for my liking.  

    You’d prefer trump gutted health insurance from 20+ million Americans rather than sanders make sure all could get access?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,802
    edited January 2020
    You’d prefer trump gutted health insurance from 20+ million Americans rather than sanders make sure all could get access?
    please explain to me how any of his proposals becone law.
    seriously. first you need to win over moderates in the house. not likely in my estimation. 

    THEN  you need to get 50 plus Senators to vote for the same. Unless ACTUAL Ds occupy that many seats there all of his promises are dead in the water. thats just a plain fact.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,168
    mickeyrat said:
    please explain to me how any of his proposals becone law.
    seriously. first you need to win over moderates in the house. not likely in my estimation. 

    THEN  you need to get 50 plus Senators to vote for the same. Unless ACTUAL Ds occupy that many seats there all of his promises are dead in the water. thats just a plain fact.

    Sanders is a movement. One election doesnt change the country. A younger generation getting left behind financially and who has different values vote overwhelmingly against the status quo repeatedly every 2 years.

    It very likely America is not ready for this but this is how it starts.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,802

    Sanders is a movement. One election doesnt change the country. A younger generation getting left behind financially and who has different values vote overwhelmingly against the status quo repeatedly every 2 years.

    It very likely America is not ready for this but this is how it starts.
    America hasn't been ready for most progress.

    so I hope they are steadfast and persistant but open to some  measure of compromise and the incremental change that can come with it.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,069
    You’d prefer trump gutted health insurance from 20+ million Americans rather than sanders make sure all could get access?
    Wherein "gutted health insurance" is people unenrolling from plans now that they're no longer required to buy them and "access" is taking away private insurance (including that which many unions have fought hard for) and replacing it with a centralized federal system that will conservatively double the entire annual budget
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    hmmm I never thought of that.  I like the check but I don't know if I could vote Sanders.
    Yeah, fuck Sanders.  Write in Spiritual Chaos :)
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,189
    I hope Hillary loses all $50M.  
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,255
    PJPOWER said:
    Yeah, fuck Sanders.  Write in Spiritual Chaos :)
    I wouldn't be surprised to find out Spiritual_Chaos IS Bernie Sanders!
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    benjs said:
    I wouldn't be surprised to find out Spiritual_Chaos IS Bernie Sanders!
    Then vote for the meteor strike, ha. I hear it is bipartisan!
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    benjs said:
    I wouldn't be surprised to find out Spiritual_Chaos IS Bernie Sanders!
    Holy mind fuck!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,802
    Jason P said:
    I hope Hillary loses all $50M.  
    god I dig your randomness. commenting out of the blue days after....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435
    mickeyrat said:
    This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing.  Bloomberg's movement is pretty interesting.  His buys have worked, that's for sure.  He will be relevant this spring, and poses a risk for Biden in particular.  If Warren dropped and Bloomberg stayed, you could see a Bernie win.  Same might be true the other way.  This will be a fascinating spring for political junkies.  I just don't want them damaging each other.  Win on your own merits.  
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,818
    mrussel1 said:
    This is an interesting article, thanks for sharing.  Bloomberg's movement is pretty interesting.  His buys have worked, that's for sure.  He will be relevant this spring, and poses a risk for Biden in particular.  If Warren dropped and Bloomberg stayed, you could see a Bernie win.  Same might be true the other way.  This will be a fascinating spring for political junkies.  I just don't want them damaging each other.  Win on your own merits.  
    I m actually warming up to Bloomberg. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m actually warming up to Bloomberg. 
    https://jacobinmag.com/2019/11/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-election-democratic-party-nomination

    The official case for a Bloomberg nomination, such as it is, hinges on the ludicrous idea that the current Democratic field needs yet another business-friendly centrist touting some form of compromise between the ordinarily and extraordinarily wealthy.”
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,435
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m actually warming up to Bloomberg. 
    I have no fundamental issues with him at all.  He's good on guys, good on healthcare.  He's pro-business, but not to the point of being a zealot.  I'd be fine with him, with what I know so far.  I haven't read on his position of Palestine, so that's important.  He's Jewish, so I would want to know that he would be a fair arbiter of that issue.  
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,802
    mrussel1 said:
    I have no fundamental issues with him at all.  He's good on guys, good on healthcare.  He's pro-business, but not to the point of being a zealot.  I'd be fine with him, with what I know so far.  I haven't read on his position of Palestine, so that's important.  He's Jewish, so I would want to know that he would be a fair arbiter of that issue.  
    there wasd an article or something asbout how he spoke for a jewish advocacy group or something down in Fla. Ingratiating himself with them. contrasting his faith to bernies lack. his philanthropic efforts in israel. how he is such a friend to israel.

    I seriously doubt he would . frankly the US needs to step back snd let Europe broker something. US mantains the chipping away of status quo while bibi makes his moves
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,069
    edited January 2020
    My biggest beef with Bloomberg is his authoritarian impulses. Orchestrated the push to allow himself a third term as mayor then immediately led the effort to change the law back after he was re-elected. He was a proponent of stop-and-frisk and advocates for strict drug policy. His position on the Chinese government is abysmal (see linked article and ignore stupid headline).

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/michael-bloomberg-china-pbs-climate-xi-dictator.html
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,802
    pjl44 said:
    My biggest beef with Bloomberg is his authoritarian impulses. Orchestrated the push to allow himself a third term as mayor then immediately led the effort to change the law back after he was re-elected. He was a proponent of stop-and-frisk and advocates for strict drug policy. His position on the Chinese government is abysmal (see linked article and ignore stupid headline).

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/michael-bloomberg-china-pbs-climate-xi-dictator.html
    oh also csnt seem to stick with a party.....
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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